Destiny 2.0 (PC)

Falthyron

So, Destiny is coming to PC. I have never played Destiny so I am curious to give this a shot. I am expecting a more 'serious' Halo in terms of style and gameplay.

Anyone else picking this up? Its out in October for the Master Race, but only one more week to wait for those on consoles.

I will be streaming the beta at 4K on my twitch channel if anyone is interested in seeing.

www.twitch.tv/theliber8or

Is it basically The Division MMO? Hopefully, its decent.

dreamers75

Will check out the Beta and see what I think.

Looks like Halo and Borderlands had a baby tho.

EoinHef

Id probably compare it more to Warframe than anything else mentioned so far. Well Destiny 1 anyway.

Doesnt look like lots is gonna change for Destiny 2 so id say it will be quite similar to 1.

Its absolutely best enjoyed in a group.

Falthyron

Yeah, a prettier Borderlands (depending on what type of art style you appreciate) without the personality. It is a beautiful looking game and the gameplay mechanics are solid, but I can't see how people who didn't like The Division would like this. Its a looter-shooter but with less loot from what I can tell.

Is there a free-roam option? Can you wander around like in a normal MMO? Or are you simply teleporting from mission to mission all the time? The beta is very limited, but I might give it a go again later.

Right now my thoughts lie with s'alright, but I wouldn't be dropping 60 euro on this. If anything, I kind of want to go back and play The Division again. Destiny has the beautiful vistas and worlds, but The Division had the atmosphere and made New York look spectacular.

Falthyron

EoinHef wrote: »

Its absolutely best enjoyed in a group.

Yeah, I was trying to talk to the people in the Fire-Strike(?) mission I was doing, but no communication. Is the loot limited to just bosses? No random loot found while exploring?

Mickeroo

Falthyron wrote: »

Yeah, a prettier Borderlands (depending on what type of art style you appreciate) without the personality. It is a beautiful looking game and the gameplay mechanics are solid, but I can't see how people who didn't like The Division would like this. Its a looter-shooter but with less loot from what I can tell.

Is there a free-roam option? Can you wander around like in a normal MMO? Or are you simply teleporting from mission to mission all the time? The beta is very limited, but I might give it a go again later.

Right now my thoughts lie with s'alright, but I wouldn't be dropping 60 euro on this. If anything, I kind of want to go back and play The Division again. Destiny has the beautiful vistas and worlds, but The Division had the atmosphere and made New York look spectacular.

There are free roam areas on several planets around the solar system. The mission usually take place within them (or did in the first game anyway).

EoinHef

Falthyron wrote: »

Yeah, I was trying to talk to the people in the Fire-Strike(?) mission I was doing, but no communication. Is the loot limited to just bosses? No random loot found while exploring?

Not from things like hidden chests usually,loots are dropped as engrams which then decode at a later time. There are chests in the game and from time to time you will need to get the items in them,usually a quest to go with it too though.

The beta is limited in the extreme,they are playing up the story a lot so i assume part of it being so limited is they want to keep it under wraps. So you get the starter mission,1 strike and a sample of PvP stuff and thats it.

Not sure how it works on PC but in Destiny 1 you could turn the game chat on and off using the dpad. Id assume theres a hot key on PC for it.

Its not much to go on really the beta,if you hadnt played destiny 1 it probably isnt enough to sway you to buy or avoid.

Mickeroo

They deliberately kept the beta small to temper expectation a bit i think. The first game's beta had quite a lot to do in it but it turned out being a large chunk of the finished game and the size of the beta (and the game's marketing/e3 showings to be fair) made it seem like the finished article was going to be much bigger than it was.

Falthyron

I have to say though for a game clearly directed towards the console market, it is a very solid PC shooter. I couldn't detect any input lag and the performance was strong. It felt a lot better than COD: AW (the last COD I played) and far superior looking without that typical console blur in the distance. Dare I say, it felt like it was designed for PC and maybe ported to consoles afterwards?! :pac:

Dave_The_Sheep

The original irritated me in that it was such a hyped game on console, it was 'revolutionary' and it does things never seen before etc... despite games like Borderlands, Planetside or Warframe existing on PC for years. And surprise surprise, it wasn't all that.

Many of my guild mates are giving it a go, but I won't, until it's a proven fun and solid game. If it's like the first, not a hope.

Falthyron

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

The original irritated me in that it was such a hyped game on console, it was 'revolutionary' and it does things never seen before etc... despite games like Borderlands, Planetside or Warframe existing on PC for years. And surprise surprise, it wasn't all that.

That is not too dissimilar to the hype around the Halo franchise. A game which manifested a cult following declaring it to be the greatest FPS ever made. In truth, it was a pretty bog standard FPS with a decent soundtrack and solid shooting mechanics. The misguided achievement of Bungie's infamous shooter is the fact that it managed to bring a FPS game on to console to begin with; providing a decent control system and multiplayer. Both of which, were already present on the PC for some years - Half-life, Quake, Hexen, Duke Nukem, DOOM, Unreal Tournament, etc. etc.

The more I think about it, the more I feel Destiny requires co-op. You need to be playing with friends in order to get some enjoyment as many of these types of games are highly repetitive (I played enough MMOs over the years and grinding gear gets tedious fast unless you have drunk friends talking **** to pass the time).

Dave_The_Sheep

Falthyron wrote: »

That is not too dissimilar to the hype around the Halo franchise. A game which manifested a cult following declaring it to be the greatest FPS ever made. In truth, it was a pretty bog standard FPS with a decent soundtrack and solid shooting mechanics.

Halo was a cracking game to be fair, and that's from me as a PC player to the core (never had a console). There were parts of it that were genuinely innovative, regnerating health was not a Halo invention but it did popularize it. The story was good, the gameplay was (for the most part) very good and the maps were far better than most of it's time.

I wouldn't compare Destiny to Halo, though I take the point you are making.

Icyseanfitz

is there any way to pre load this?

Noxin

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

is there any way to pre load this?

Nope. Servers will open at 6 and go down again at 6.03 due to overload :pac:

Kiith

I'll be picking this up anyway. Enjoyed it on the consoles, even when i really don't like controllers for FPS games.

Didn't realise it was an open beta tonight. Will definitely give it a go over the weekend.

dreamers75

Kiith wrote: »

I'll be picking this up anyway. Enjoyed it on the consoles, even when i really don't like controllers for FPS games.

Didn't realise it was an open beta tonight. Will definitely give it a go over the weekend.

Ends on the 31/8

Mickeroo

Can install it now. 16GB

gizmo

Over the weekend, the video below was posted whose aim is to explain the main story and high level lore to newcomers to Destiny. It's actually pretty decent so if you can sit through the full 90mins, or even tackle it in chunks, I'd recommend it.

Essentially it goes through the backstory to the game's events and then from the 49min mark begins to run through the players actions in the main game and the DLC. Obviously it's a complete spoiler in this latter section.

Kiith

dreamers75 wrote: »

Ends on the 31/8

An open beta for 3 days ( and on Tuesday-Thursday)? What sort of timeline is that? Ah well, guess i'll be waiting till launch.

Mickeroo

Kiith wrote: »

An open beta for 2 days (Tuesday-Thursday)? What sort of timeline is that? Ah well, guess i'll be waiting till launch.

There's only about an hour or so worth of game play in it. Pretty baffled they aren't having it at the weekend though.

madcabbage

Anybody ran into issues with setting 1080p resolutions? Cant seem to get it for Fullscreen.

dreamers75

Played an hour or so tonight and it runs very, very well on a 1080.

Nice looking game with some excellent and sometimes annoying particle and lensflare effects.

Only managed to play one fireteam mission, didnt really have a clue what was going on other than shoot stuff until you run out of ammo, then ninja punch stuff and hope they drop ammo.

Kiith

Yeah, it runs extremely well. Gunplay is very good as well, though that's to be expected with Destiny. The difference a mouse and keyboard makes to it though is incredible. Far more likely to spend time with it on release.

EoinHef

Ammo drops are still on the 'to be tweaked list' along with a few other things i think.

They said some would be tweaked by PC beta and others would be on release.

Abilities charging too slowly on the console beta was another bug bear for people. Although perks on guns/armour may help players tweak that themselves on release anyway,the perk system is not fully in the beta.

jumbobreakfast

seems like a fairly basic shooter to me. big hype but not much substance for a PC gaming experience or am I missing something?

Co-Op seems good but does it become a problem if you have more than 4 regular players that you play with? Would someone who only plays at weekends be far behind the regular players?

dreamers75

Also whats the deal with Blizzard adding numbers to your username?

I generally go for a username that transcends all gaming thingies but blizzard calls me kdjac#2529

Canis Lupus

When I read it wasn't pure dedicated server this got put on the backburner. I'm expecting it to be a sh*tfest of hacks and lag.

EDIT I got burned with The Division and I imagine Bungie has no experience of dealing with hacking coming from a console centric background.

EoinHef

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

seems like a fairly basic shooter to me. big hype but not much substance for a PC gaming experience or am I missing something?

Co-Op seems good but does it become a problem if you have more than 4 regular players that you play with? Would someone who only plays at weekends be far behind the regular players?

The beta is quite limited,it really is just a slice of what to expect. The mission you play in the tower to me is just an intro that covers the time between D1 and D2 and sets up the real start of the game.

Up to 6 player fire teams in raids which is the largest fireteam you can have while doing something we know of so far.

Players can push ahead alright. Teams can carry lower level players to a degree though. The higher the level difference though the harder it is obviuosly

EDIT: Just to add to this,Clans are going to be a big part of destiny. They help if friends are doing something and their fireteam is full,can just join other clan memebers. Bungie certainly want the game to be a social experience.

EoinHef

Canis Lupus wrote: »

When I read it wasn't pure dedicated server this got put on the backburner. I'm expecting it to be a sh*tfest of hacks and lag.

EDIT I got burned with The Division and I imagine Bungie has no experience of dealing with hacking coming from a console centric background.

They mentioned using battle.net instead of steam etc so they could have more control over the security. Weather it will work in the long run remains to be seen.

dreamers75

Canis Lupus wrote: »

EDIT I got burned with The Division and I imagine Bungie has no experience of dealing with hacking coming from a console centric background.

You have to play to play this via Blizzard.net, they have one or 2 PC online games on the go.

Canis Lupus

EoinHef wrote: »

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They mentioned using battle.net instead of steam etc so they could have more control over the security. Weather it will work in the long run remains to be seen.

dreamers75 wrote: »

You have to play to play this via Blizzard.net, they have one or 2 PC online games on the go.

Yes but are they providing anti cheat services/knowledge or just letting them use some servers/being a distribution point?

Regardless of that there is still peer to peer involved so I'm definitely sitting it out for a month or two.

Falthyron

dreamers75 wrote: »

I generally go for a username that transcends all gaming thingies but blizzard calls me kdjac#2529

Do you play PUBG? I'm pretty sure I have killed or been killed by a 'kdjac' in PUBG :pac:

EoinHef

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Yes but are they providing anti cheat services/knowledge or just letting them use some servers/being a distribution point?

Regardless of that there is still peer to peer involved so I'm definitely sitting it out for a month or two.

Wouldnt blame you,they cant guarntee it would never happen. On the flip side though you could wait 6 months,buy the game,then the next day someone releases a hack for it.

They claim their server model is a hybrid between P2P and dedicated which should make it more secure. Thats sure to be tested on PC.

Only time will tell i guess.

Canis Lupus

So what's the craic with the GFX, just downloaded the beta to see how it runs. Intro was smooth as butter with everything on high for the most part then I loaded into PVP game and my FPS goes from 100+ to 40fps depending on where I look and changing settings doesn't seem to have any effect.

WIll see if I have an driver updates pending.

Mickeroo

When I maxed it out at 1440p it was hitting 35-40fps with a gtx1070. At high settings I was getting 120/130fps with occasional drop to 80/90. Cut scenes seem to be locked to 30fps.

That was only in the mission rather than PvP which I didn't have a go of last night.

Canis Lupus

Mickeroo wrote: »

When I maxed it out at 1440p it was hitting 35-40fps with a gtx1070. At high settings I was getting 120/130fps with occasional drop to 80/90. Cut scenes seem to be locked to 30fps.

That was only in the mission rather than PvP which I didn't have a go of last night.

Yeah drivers didn't fix it. PVE/Intro runs absolutely fine. PVP runs like crap.

Mickeroo

Will have to give it a look later, I only joined a match towards the end and didn't keep an eye on the fps at the time.

Canis Lupus

Mickeroo wrote: »

Will have to give it a look later, I only joined a match towards the end and didn't keep an eye on the fps at the time.

It's fixed itself now. I changed nothing. *shrugs*... it's not a very exciting game after all that.... ALthough it explains nothing so I'm only now seeing how I can change my character skills about etc.

Mickeroo

Yeah it doesn't do a great job of telling players there are two subclasses available to each character in the beta.

Canis Lupus

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't do a great job of telling players there are two subclasses available to each character in the beta.

It doesn't do a good job at explaining anything. The UI seems to be a bit console centric as well. Your character inventory isn't great and it's hard to understand how each weapon acts what the weird different damage (or it is ammo?) types are.

One hopes the main release explains this a little better but it's seriously denting my beta experience. I'm not really feeling it at all.

Kimbot

Lads, just a little reminder that there is a Destiny forum here, everyone welcome : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1739

Mickeroo

They've changed a few things from the first game with how loadouts work but the elemental damages are void (purple), solar(orange) and arc(blue). Each subclass is tied to one of those too and each class has a subclass for each (or did in the first game).

Basically if you see an enemy with an orange shield then solar damage will drop that shield quicker.

Dcully

The game runs and looks fantastic on my not top spec PC,easily achieving 144 fps on 144hz screen with a few settings turned down.
Enjoyable enough , id imagine pve is where the longevily is.

Sadly the pvp element is hit and miss.
Yet another pvp/multiplayer game with stupidly overpowered melee kills from 10 feet away.
Sick of this **** in most of the newish mp games.

Titanfall2,Lawbreakers to name a few.

Kiith

I normally don't like melee kills can be annoying, but i never minded it in Destiny. The superpowers were always a ton of fun to play with. Yeah, if you meet someone who has theirs active, you're pretty much screwed. But some of them are extremely satisfying, and getting multiple kills in one super is a hell of a lot of fun.

I always enjoyed the Warlock supers.

Dcully

True but the bog standard melee is OP as hell.

dreamers75

Falthyron wrote: »

Do you play PUBG? I'm pretty sure I have killed or been killed by a 'kdjac' in PUBG :pac:

Yeah won a few over the weekend, hopefully you were on my path to victory

Noxin

Holy optimisation batman. That game runs so well, especially for a beta.

A tip however - Lower AA from MSAA to SMAA. Trust me.

I was pulling around 70-80fps on MSAA at 1440p and everything else maxed.

Lowered to SMAA and was then pulling 160-180 so turned on HDR and set resolution scale to 125%. Still pulling 100-120 easy. More at quieter times in the game. Looks very sweet.

Over all, my thoughts. PVE was very fun. The last boss for the beta was challenging enough to make me want more.
PVP however was complete ballsacks. I didn't even remotely enjoy it (and I wasn't getting $hit on during it either). Just found it very samey to any other arena shooter on the market. It's not something I'd be even bothered to think about going near again.

Will I buy it? Dunno yet. Like I said, really enjoyed the PVE and that sort of shooter/looter is quite enjoyable to me so I guess there is a good chance. Might just pop the base game for now and worry about expansion passes further down the line if I keep playing it. A sword, emote and Emblem is no where near enough reward to consider getting a delux version outside of the expansion pass.

SeantheMan

Downloading was a bit iffy...up and down in terms of speed.

Played through the PVE part, wasn't bad at all.
Baiscally used one of those rogue guys with a Magnum pistol the whole time.
I can't remember there being a boss.

I think at one point I was defending somewhere for 3 waves..and there were 2 others with me...but I didn't invite them or attempt to join them...dunno if it does it automatically...and we split up pretty quickly after that back into what seemed our own storylines.

The games not bad, I'm not interested in PVP as I have Overwatch for that, and I don't know enough about the game or how much content there would be to warrant me purchasing it.

The only gripe..well...not a gripe is this world of handholding....but I had no idea what my skills did or how to really use them.
I guess there was an explanation in the menus somewhere ...maybe...but I was too lazy to go look for them as I probably expected to be given on-screen prompts...as is the way in this era of gaming.

Mickeroo

SeantheMan wrote: »

Downloading was a bit iffy...up and down in terms of speed.

Played through the PVE part, wasn't bad at all.
Baiscally used one of those rogue guys with a Magnum pistol the whole time.
I can't remember there being a boss.

I think at one point I was defending somewhere for 3 waves..and there were 2 others with me...but I didn't invite them or attempt to join them...dunno if it does it automatically...and we split up pretty quickly after that back into what seemed our own storylines.

The games not bad, I'm not interested in PVP as I have Overwatch for that, and I don't know enough about the game or how much content there would be to warrant me purchasing it.

The only gripe..well...not a gripe is this world of handholding....but I had no idea what my skills did or how to really use them.
I guess there was an explanation in the menus somewhere ...maybe...but I was too lazy to go look for them as I probably expected to be given on-screen prompts...as is the way in this era of gaming.

If you go on again when you hit escape select open character then click on the subclass in the top left, it will show you the skill trees and hovering over each one will tell you what it does.

Dcully

Noxin wrote: »

Holy optimisation batman. That game runs so well, especially for a beta.

A tip however - Lower AA from MSAA to SMAA. Trust me.

I was pulling around 70-80fps on MSAA at 1440p and everything else maxed.

Lowered to SMAA and was then pulling 160-180 so turned on HDR and set resolution scale to 125%. Still pulling 100-120 easy. More at quieter times in the game. Looks very sweet.

Over all, my thoughts. PVE was very fun. The last boss for the beta was challenging enough to make me want more.
PVP however was complete ballsacks. I didn't even remotely enjoy it (and I wasn't getting $hit on during it either). Just found it very samey to any other arena shooter on the market. It's not something I'd be even bothered to think about going near again.

Will I buy it? Dunno yet. Like I said, really enjoyed the PVE and that sort of shooter/looter is quite enjoyable to me so I guess there is a good chance. Might just pop the base game for now and worry about expansion passes further down the line if I keep playing it. A sword, emote and Emblem is no where near enough reward to consider getting a delux version outside of the expansion pass.

+1 about your impressions of pvp and pve.

dreamers75

Played a bit today, got bored.