223 ammo?

RS98

Hello folks, I'm getting great success with the new 223 but I need some advice on ammo. I use 53g hornady 'superformance' at the moment for vermin and they're great but at over €30 a box, they're expensive for practice. Anyone know any ammo I could get for around 50c per shot? Just looking for some cheaper ammo for practice.

Also, any opinions about American eagle fmj's? The 55gr (I think) ones.

PS. It doesn't have to be super accurate cause I'll be sticking with the 53gr for foxes.

Thanks,
RS

gavindublin

Tulammo or wolf. Steel cases, and about 12/14 a box.

Where are you located?

RS98

Located in cork. How do they compare against the AE fmj's?

Cass

gavindublin wrote: »

Tulammo or wolf. Steel cases, and about 12/14 a box.

If you're paying over €7.50 per box for TulAmmo you need a word in the ear of your dealer.

The most expensive i've seen it was for €10 and i laughed at that price. For €12 to €14 you can buy American Eagle which is miles better.

The TulAmmo can be gotten for as little as €5 per box, when bought in bulk. The majority is 62gr so apart from it being dirty, steel ammo, its also only suited to faster twist rates such as 1:9

Barnaul is in the same category both in terms of steel ammo and cheap. However unlike TulAmmo and Wolf the Barnaul is sold as 5.56/223 which is a misdirect. If its 5.56 then it's not 223 and should NEVER be used ina 223 rifle. I've heard of and seen a good few cases of stuck bolts from lads using this stuff.

RS98 wrote: »

Located in cork. How do they compare against the AE fmj's?

Not close.

They are decent/good at 50 yards, average at 100 and get progressively crap-er as they go out. Between 1 - 2 moa at each distance. If you have a semi auto and are looking for cheap fun then this is the ammo. For good performance, not even great just good, you need to go for something better.

The AE stuff is quite good in most formats. The 50gr to 55gr. FMJ i find works better that HP, but both a decent choice.

RS98

Cheers for the replies. Sorry about this now but I've a few questions to ask...

Where are you getting the tullammo at €7 a box? Like you said, just want some cheap fun plus a cheap way to get used to the rifle. Every place seems to be out of the Russian stuff.

I'm after buying some American eagle HP's at €20 per box but haven't got a chance to try it yet. Does €20 a box sound about right? I'll try the fmj's as well soon. McCullough sports I think sell them for around €11 per box.

Lastly, have ye ever tried the fiocchi 50gr ballistic tips? How did they do?

Sorry for all the questions

RS

Rosahane

From what I remember from when I had a 223, American Eagle and the Federal Power Shock (I think) had exactly the same ballistics so I practiced with American Eagle and kept the Power Shock for the foxes.

They helpfully print the ballistic tables on the boxes so it's easy to compare..

Cass

RS98 wrote: »

Where are you getting the tullammo at €7 a box?

Atlantic in Carlow. €7.50 per box, 3 for €20, and the more you buy the cheaper it gets.

Like you said, just want some cheap fun plus a cheap way to get used to the rifle. Every place seems to be out of the Russian stuff.

It's cheap and the performance i get may not be what you get (could be better or worse), but it can mess up your confidence if it's as bad. It's one thing to practice trigger pull, recoil management, etc. but at some point you like to see the improvement in technique and with TulAmmo you may not get this.

I'm after buying some American eagle HP's at €20 per box but haven't got a chance to try it yet.

Mine is a 1:9 and is not particularly fond of HP rounds (it's semi auto so maybe that has something to do with it) However the bolt action, which is 1:12, shoots them just fine.

Does €20 a box sound about right?

It's on the more expensive end but it's been a while since i bought them so that sounds about average.

. I'll try the fmj's as well soon. McCullough sports I think sell them for around €11 per box.

Thats about right.

Lastly, have ye ever tried the fiocchi 50gr ballistic tips?

Yes.

How did they do?

Quite well in both my semi auto and bolt action. A hell of a lot better than the 50gr HP in Fiocchi. Jaysus they were crap. Worse than the TulAmmo and as bad as they were in the bolt action they were a disaster in the semi auto.

RS98

My rifle is 1:12 so hopefully it works out ok. After having a look at it, just noticed the brass is dirty looking (compared to hornady but they are cheaper)

Are ballistic tip bullets significantly better than hollow points in dropping foxes?

Atlantic seems to have a good selection of stuff so I'll give them a call tomorrow.

Cass

RS98 wrote: »

My rifle is 1:12 so hopefully it works out ok. After having a look at it, just noticed the brass is dirty looking (compared to hornady but they are cheaper)

Stick with 40gr to 55gr stuff and you'll be golden.

As for the ammo cases, its down to the quality/composition of the steel they use.

Are ballistic tip bullets significantly better than hollow points in dropping foxes?

I'm not a ballistician so cannot give a proper answer other than to say if you hit a fox in the right spot with anything its going down. After that it's up to what you prefer. I prefer BT rounds over SP, HP and FMJ.

Atlantic seems to have a good selection of stuff so I'll give them a call tomorrow.

Their site is not great in that it doesn't showcase everything they stock.

Let me know how you get on because i see they have been silent for nearly two months. They were moving property but my mate was down with them last week and the old place is closed with no signs on where the new shop is or if it's open. He got no answer to his call.

So curious to see if they are open again.

RS98

I called them three times this morning, no answer. I also sent them an email just incase the phone number is old or something. I'll let you know if I get a response.

skipking

i heard the are closed as they are moving . dont know where.

RS98

skipking wrote: »

i heard the are closed as they are moving . dont know where.

You might be right, I've gotten no word back. Do post an update if you hear anything more.

Cass

skipking wrote: »

i heard the are closed as they are moving . dont know where.

The thing is i said above the same as yourself,

Cass wrote: »

Let me know how you get on because i see they have been silent for nearly two months. They were moving property but my mate was down with them last week and the old place is closed with no signs on where the new shop is or if it's open. He got no answer to his call.

So curious to see if they are open again.

but their FB page has no updates in over two months, and another mate of mine has two scopes bought and paid for with them and has not been able to contact them to collect.

For all intensive purposes it seems like they are closed. Whether that is for good or not i don't know, but after two months of absolutely no word it's financial and business suicide.

schmidt223

When last at Atlantic they said they were moving the business to the home place and that they were opening a range there also. That was about six weeks ago.

RS98

Cass wrote: »

and another mate of mine has two scopes bought and paid for with them and has not been able to contact them to collect.

Well that's certainly not good.

Their last post was on July 12 apologizing for the the lack of replies.

Is "unit 4, shamrock business park, graiguecullen, Carlow" their old address?

Cass

RS98 wrote: »

Is "unit 4, shamrock business park, graiguecullen, Carlow" their old address?

Yup.

outinthefields

Atlantic have closed and the word I'm hearing is the permit for the range has been denied.

RS98

Ah that's a shame. I hope those lads that bought the scopes get their money back.

Quick update, I've picked up some American eagle fmj's for 12 a box from mcbrides. Not a lot of difference in price between the steel cased stuff so might as well go for it.

RS

dodderangler

My favourite all rounder was Remington hp 55gr. Great work on a fox and steady shot to 300 yards
Good hole in a fox aswell. Always stop em dead