MI6 (allegedly) Watching Potential Terrorists in Ireland

Jamie2k9

http://www.thejournal.ie/mi6-spies-ireland-3552898-Aug2017/

BRITISH SPIES ARE keeping tabs on a number of persons of interest within Ireland.

The Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) agents have been operating around the country since shortly after the London Bridge attack in June, sources have confirmed to TheJournal.ie.

It is understood that they are operating in at least two cities. Most of them are in Dublin and are working out of a number of offices in the city centre.

Sources say they are “keeping an eye” on a handful of potential extremists. They say that Ireland’s position geographically makes it an area that needs to be monitored by foreign intelligence.

Personally I feel more safer they are. Don't have much confidence in our lot however that could be partly down to the fact nothing has happened yet and we don't know a lot about them....

Kermit.de.frog

We have our own security services and they should not be here, let alone going public with it like that.

Your Face

Yeah the Gardai have no experience dealing with a terrorist threat.


















Fail.

uck51js9zml2yt

Why would anyone be surprised if this were true.
They shouldn't be operating here but if they are and are passing the intel to AGS then grand.

Jamie2k9

Why would anyone be surprised if this were true.
They shouldn't be operating here but if they are and are passing the intel to AGS then grand.

We have our own security services and they should not be here, let alone going public with it like that.

Genuine view or just because it's the bad British

Yeah the Gardai have no experience dealing with a terrorist threat.

Fail.

Things have moved on a lot and very different today. Personally I wouldn't have confidence they could foil an attack in Dublin. They let the London lad slip through the net.

Your Face

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Genuine view or just because it's the bad British



Things have moved on a lot and very different today. Personally I wouldn't have confidence they could foil an attack in Dublin. They let the London lad slip through the net.

Its not just our lads missing threats.

Canis Lupus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have our own security services and they should not be here, let alone going public with it like that.

When it comes to terrorism prevention would you prefer more people were keeping tabs on potential suspects or less.

Is this legal?

I thought there was legislation prohibiting foreign security personnel operating here without permission.

Jamie2k9

Your Face wrote: »

Its not just our lads missing threats.

Indeed I totally accept that however they are dealing with a far higher number.

Look I am not dissing our lads but think an European approach is important to mitigate risks even more.

Your Face

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indeed I totally accept that however they are dealing with a far higher number.

Look I am not dissing our lads but think an European approach is important to mitigate risks even more.

I'll be honest, its too easy for an individual to be online, get radicalised over a period and then go out and commit a horrible crime.
I think its very hard to police that.

Academic

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Is this legal?

I thought there was legislation prohibiting foreign security personnel operating here without permission.

Well, as I understand it we don't know if they have permission or not. The fact that the government is neither confirming nor denying suggests that they might have permission but the government doesn't want to say that because it's such a politically sensitive matter.

Kermit.de.frog

Canis Lupus wrote: »

When it comes to terrorism prevention would you prefer more people were keeping tabs on potential suspects or less.

We should be up to scratch on our own security services. If we are not that is our fault. An independent state carries with it responsibilities - not the outsourcing of responsibilities to others.

The MI6 agents should be in London taking intel from Gardai that way - not on our own soil.

(if they are here btw, could be bs, I never figured "The Journal" as proper journalism)

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

We should take all the help were offered, prides no good when it's too late

uch

We are probably the most terrorised country in the world if you include the north, we have nothing to worry about

Academic

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

Oops69

of course they should be operating here if it's in their national interest , that's why countries have intelligence agencies .

uck51js9zml2yt

Academic wrote: »

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

€2.60

buried

How in good holy f**k is this even news. Foreign Intelligence agencies have always had the capability to try to monitor whoever they want anywhere throughout the planet since there was a Royal family in Russia. Nowadays with the internet they don't even have to leave the jacks to do it

mezzz

HOLY FUKKIN JESUS LADS,

HOW WOULD A PERSON REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY TO THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES (ANONOMOUSLY)

SERIOUS QUESTION

tomwaterford

mezzz wrote: »

HOLY FUKKIN JESUS LADS,

HOW WOULD A PERSON REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY TO THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES (ANONOMOUSLY)

SERIOUS QUESTION

Call 999?

Strong Life in Dublin

Academic wrote: »

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

Two ham sandwiches and a pack of tayto

Gatling

Academic wrote: »

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

Well considering our military budget is about €800 million which is believed half that goes on wages and pensions .

Expect a pretty paltry sum for intelligence gathering on potential terror suspects

Pac1Man

Note to all spies:

Stop telling people you're a spy.

aaronjumper

Pac1Man wrote: »

Note to all spies:

Stop telling people you're a spy.

Shtop telling people you shay. Intereshting idea.

Esel

mezzz wrote: »

HOLY FUKKIN JESUS LADS,

HOW WOULD A PERSON REPORT SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY TO THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES (ANONOMOUSLY)

SERIOUS QUESTION

Post on Boards in ALL CAPS. Expect a black van shortly. Be grand...

dav3

MI6 have always been in Ireland spying. How is this news?

fizzypish

Kinda wondering what the UVF or IRA response to an attack in Belfast would be? Probably a stupid question.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We have our own security services and they should not be here, let alone going public with it like that.

MI6 is responsible for external security of Britain. It would be naive to think they wouldn't have a presence and they would be in dereliction of duty if they weren't.

As for going public with it, I have to laugh. Un-named sources at The Journal is not exactly the MI6 press office is it?

"It is understood" and "Sources say" are phrases journalists use to give them plenty of wiggle room when they are speculating or when their mammy has given them an idea for a story.

timthumbni

I certainly hope they are. Increases our chances of avoiding an Islamic attack.

testicles

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I'd be more worried about the 70 that are supposedly on a watch list, than m16,
considering the events of the past week.

A Little Pony

They are in the ROI because the Irish government wants them to be. For MI6 to be doing this means a REAL problem exists and tells me something is up. Maybe a cell of Jihadi terrorists are planning.

A Little Pony

Jake1 wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the 70  that are supposedly on a watch list, than m16,
considering the events of the past week.

70 Jihadi suspects on the Island is absolutely shocking.

Donal55

Any news on the imminent Halawa release?

timthumbni

A Little Pony wrote: »

70 Jihadi suspects on the Island is absolutely shocking.

Hardly surprising is it. I be on My toes around Belfast nowadays. Anyone who thinks we a are immune is an idiot tbh...

enricoh

Thank fook they are. A journalist asked noirin o Sullivan how many gardai could speak arabic for intelligence gathering. She couldnt say. He then asked her if ANY gardai could speak arabic. She couldn't say ! Not exactly inspiring!

enricoh

enricoh wrote: »

Thank fook they are. A journalist asked noirin o Sullivan how many gardai could speak arabic for intelligence gathering. She couldnt say. He then asked her if ANY gardai could speak arabic. She couldn't say ! Not exactly inspiring!

jaysus, I hope at least a few of them do.

Sofiztikated

fizzypish wrote: »

Kinda wondering what the UVF or IRA response to an attack in Belfast would be? Probably a stupid question.

UVF response: Go and beat the piss out of some lad in a kebab shop.
IRA response: [Redacted]

A Little Pony wrote: »

They are in the ROI because the Irish government wants them to be. For MI6 to be doing this means a REAL problem exists and tells me something is up. Maybe a cell of Jihadi terrorists are planning.

They're here because THEY want to be. It'd be stupid to think an intelligence agency doesn't have boots on the ground in their close neighbours. They'll be in France, Germany, Spain too.

Jake1 wrote: »

jaysus, I hope at least a few of them do.

Some of them should, but translators can be used.

timthumbni

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Ira response??? Welcome them into the fold and share expertise I would think. Sure the ra pure love other terrorists. ETA/ farc, etc etc. Why not Isis?

Esel

They never went away, you know...

Vinculus

I suppose the best person to find a terrorist is a terrorist.

An Claidheamh

timthumbni wrote: »

Ira response??? Welcome them into the fold and share expertise I would think. Sure the ra pure love other terrorists. ETA/ farc, etc etc. Why not Isis?

I take it then you don't disagree with the belief that the Uvf would just terrorise a local kebab shop tinythumb?

Uinseann_16

Academic wrote: »

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

No one knows its classified its separate from the defense budget AFAIK

timthumbni

An Claidheamh wrote: »

I take it then you don't disagree with the belief that the Uvf would just terrorise a local kebab shop tinythumb?

Hmmm. Whatever you say Clannad. I dislike the terrorist uvf as much as I do the terrorist republican Ira. Any more weird questions???

sjb25

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Is this legal?

I thought there was legislation prohibiting foreign security personnel operating here without permission.

Probably not but to think they all are not ie mi6 cia fbi the hole lot are not here on and off would be silly sure wasn't Mossad fellas going round with Irish passports at one stage
All these organisations will go to any country unannounced if they are tracking somebody that's kinda what they do
Is it legal probably not do I care not really as long as the inform AGS or G2 of anything imminent in Ireland let them at it

An Claidheamh

Number of issues here.

1) First, the British and their agencies have a very recent history of aiding and abetting anti-Irish terrorists.
It's laughable to welcome their "help"?
They're as much a danger to national security as Islamists if not more.

They also were incapable of stopping British Islamists.

2) However, we all know that our police force are a joke. Along with our judiciary.
Gardaí refuse to even round up gypsy criminals, or junkies in the city centre.
Yet, we're treated to propaganda of gardaí waving guns around for the media to show how they'd defend us.

3) Also, if we believe this story to be true, then it is highly illegal.

But what do we expect?

An incompetent commissioner appointed by a failed Taoiseach, Kenny, despised by all and only still here because she cannot get another job.

Máire Whelan, the attorney general, is a screw up who had the arrogance to accept that position having been improperly appointed.

Judiciary do not live in the real world and the prisons are not fit for purpose. Far too lenient.

AGS are stuck in the 1950's and are all smoke and mirrors, no substance.

Frances Fitzgerald was a poor justice minister and Charlie Flanagan is a numpty who really actually says nothing.

5) Fine Gael and previous governments have never had a problem with this broken and non functioning justice system apart from soundbites.

A government with political will is needed to give some home truths, not inviting the people behind the largest terrorist attacks on the island - Dublin and Monaghan bombings.


But hopefully this may allow some discussion about our police force and their capability and supports or lack thereof.

Rumpy Pumpy

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Number of issues here.

1) First, the British and their agencies have a very recent history of aiding and abetting anti-Irish terrorists.
It's laughable to welcome their "help"?
They're as much a danger to national security as Islamists if not more.

They also were incapable of stopping British Islamists.

2) However, we all know that our police force are a joke. Along with our judiciary.
Gardaí refuse to even round up gypsy criminals, or junkies in the city centre.
Yet, we're treated to propaganda of gardaí waving guns around for the media to show how they'd defend us.

3) Also, if we believe this story to be true, then it is highly illegal.

But what do we expect?

An incompetent commissioner appointed by a failed Taoiseach, Kenny, despised by all and only still here because she cannot get another job.

Máire Whelan, the attorney general, is a screw up who had the arrogance to accept that position having been improperly appointed.

Judiciary do not live in the real world and the prisons are not fit for purpose. Far too lenient.

AGS are stuck in the 1950's and are all smoke and mirrors, no substance.

Frances Fitzgerald was a poor justice minister and Charlie Flanagan is a numpty who really actually says nothing.

5) Fine Gael and previous governments have never had a problem with this broken and non functioning justice system apart from soundbites.

A government with political will is needed to give some home truths, not inviting the people behind the largest terrorist attacks on the island - Dublin and Monaghan bombings.


But hopefully this may allow some discussion about our police force and their capability and supports or lack thereof.

8.5 out of 10 for incoherent online moan. Didn't mention the EU or Israel, so stopping short of giving you a perfect score.

An Claidheamh

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

8.5 out of 10 for incoherent online moan. Didn't mention the EU or Israel, so stopping short of giving you a perfect score.

On you period?

Thanks for not bothering to read it.

Arsemageddon

Academic wrote: »

I don’t know if it’s accurate, but Wikipedia claims that MI6’s annual budget is £2.6 billion.

Anyone know what the annual budget would be of the equivalent agency in the Republic?

We don't have an equivalent agency.

sjb25

Arsemageddon wrote: »

We don't have an equivalent agency.

G2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

Arsemageddon

sjb25 wrote: »

G2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

G2 is not the equivalent of M16