US officers strip a woman naked and perform a search

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Victor wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Unfotunately, no - she consented. Might still be defined as an assault though.

Not to an internal search.

Open to correction on that point - but are you sure?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

kylith wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Unfotunately, no - she consented. Might still be defined as an assault though.

With the current situation between black people and the police in the US she would probably have a case in saying that she felt in fear for her life if she didn't comply.

She'd have a much stronger case if she stated her rejection to their consent.

Now, how the cops would have handled that and how the courts would see their reaction is anyone's guess - but at no point were the cops threatened - nor did they claim to be - so their usual defence doesn't bail them out.

But the bottom line is: once you give consent, you give them more power.

Syphonax

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The main cause was the issue of State's rights and rights of expansion into the west.

Slavery was a factor but a minor one, The Yankees were concerned about blacks being brought into the western territories on a large scale basis. They wanted to keep it white labour only.

I dont know what books you read but slavery was at the very heart of the war. A huge contributing factor to the Union wining was down to the conscription of blacks.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Read up objective sources about Lee. He wasn't the type of man you think he was. Winner writes the history and all that.

Personally I want Washington State and DC both renamed considering that George was a slave owner. :D

I used to think Lee was this brilliant General who had very noble objectives and almost had the misfortune of ending up on the bad side when he was a good man.

I now read a lot more about how cruel he was to his slaves, behind that gallant exterior was a man who attended floggings, including of women, and encouraged those wielding the whip to use it especially hard. And he may not have been the great General so much as the General who was fortunate enough to meet George McClellan, made the truly terrible blunder of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg, and should have realised earlier that ultimately the South could not have won.

Which sources would you say are not objective? Surely, to some degree or another, most historical analysis is subjective?

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The main cause was the issue of State's rights and rights of expansion into the west.

But wasn't one of the crucial issues over expansion the issue of whether new States would allow or prohibit slavery and enter the Union as a slave State or a free one?

Victor

All this has little direct relationship with a public strip search in 2017.

Samaris

Mod: Enough about the Civil War; it is derailing the conversation and there other threads to discuss it in. Move forward a couple of centuries again, please.

tupenny

This situation is awful, but the rest of the world almost gleefully enjoys when the USA is exposed in this kind of way. It must be some inferiority complex. Institutionalised racism perhaps but today I was walking down Amiens st after work, and some junkie type starts shouting at a black teenager walking past him "here N*GGER... N*GGER... ******!!!" right in his face, and after him when he walked past. I was horrified. I never saw that level of abuse or hatred in my life, anywhere. In Ireland our underclasses are the most racist people I've ever encountered, because they see immigrants doing ok, and it angers them because they haven't made anything of themselves. I hope that kid is ok.

Victor

tupenny wrote: »

In Ireland our underclasses are the most racist people I've ever encountered, because they see immigrants doing ok, and it angers them because they haven't made anything of themselves. I hope that kid is ok.

Not necessarily:
* Was this individual off their face, thereby warping their thinking and removing any inner censor?
* Such attitudes are frequent among people who don't travel, as opposed to those who are poor. There will be a certain overlap between the two.

jackofalltrades

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Unfotunately, no - she consented. Might still be defined as an assault though.

From the link in the OP, when asked to remove her pants she said No because she wasn't wearing any underwear.
Then the following happened, from The Guardian.

The federal lawsuit against Harris County alleges: “When one of the Deputies tried to insert her fingers into Ms Corley’s vagina, Ms Corley protested. At that point, the Deputies forcibly threw Ms Corley to the ground, while she was still handcuffed, pinned her down with her legs spread apart, threatened to break her legs and without consent penetrated her vagina in a purported search for marijuana.”

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consent going on there.

kylith

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Unfotunately, no - she consented. Might still be defined as an assault though.

The only search she appears to have consented to was of her car.

Tin Foil Hat

kylith wrote: »

Washington wasn't perfect, but he did mandate in his will that his slaves be freed.

That was big of him.

jackofalltrades

jackofalltrades wrote: »

From the link in the OP, when asked to remove her pants she said No because she wasn't wearing any underwear.
Then the following happened, from The Guardian.

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consent going on there.

Harris County alleges

Your Face

Bloody 'whatever you're angry at'.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Deleted User wrote: »

But wasn't one of the crucial issues over expansion the issue of whether new States would allow or prohibit slavery and enter the Union as a slave State or a free one?

The reason the Yankees didn't want the proposed new Western States being controlled by Southerners is because they thought that they would flood them with black people.

They did not want that, northern Yanky doodle bigots wanted the west to be a clean white country. White labour only as they stated.

judeboy101

Synthol wrote: »

So these 2 hero characters had charges dropped against them after literally taking off the pants of a black(obviously) woman and searching her vagina for drugs.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/after-charges-dropped-against-deputies-who-searched-womans-vagina-attorney-releases-video-9700612

''Strong pulled Corley over in June 2015 after she allegedly rolled a stop sign. During the stop, one of the deputies claimed he smelled marijuana, and asked Corley if he could search her vehicle. She said yes. He didn't find anything, but was apparently not satisfied. The deputies said they would call female deputies, including Pierre, to perform a search on Corley's person.

It turned into a search of Corley's vagina on the pavement of the Texaco gas station — without a warrant.

Video footage of the stop (viewable here) shows Corley on the ground with her legs spread and knees bent backward, her feet pointing toward her head with her pants appearing to dangle from one shoe. The details of the search are obscured by her car's open door, but her uncomfortable position is unmistakable as the deputy apparently shines a flashlight on her genitals, performing what is referred to in the lawsuit as a "visual strip search."

According to the lawsuit, a female deputy had instructed Corley to pull down her pants; Corley said no, because she wasn't wearing underwear. In her sworn affidavit, Corley says the deputy responded, "So?" After the visual search yielded nothing, Corley claims the deputy then stuck her fingers in her vagina. Deputies claimed they found 0.2 ounces of marijuana — an offense that would not even yield criminal charges anymore under District Attorney Kim Ogg, who instead of prosecuting misdemeanor marijuana possession cases now offers a diversion program.

Former DA Devon Anderson's administration ultimately dismissed the charges against Corley, who was also charged with resisting arrest, apparently for not wanting authorities to violate her in public. “After the trial prosecutor investigated the facts in Ms. Corley’s case,” Anderson's office wrote at the time, “she found that the search was offensive and shocking, and this office immediately dismissed the charges against Ms. Corley.”

Former sheriff Ron Hickman instead supported his deputies, saying they did nothing wrong and that the DA's charges of official oppression against Strong and Pierre were based on little more than "a local news report." Anderson's office quickly shot back, saying the DA's office found Hickman's suggestion "disappointing on many levels" and that it was "spurious and uninformed," saying prosecutors had reviewed a load of evidence before bringing the case to a grand jury.''


Many times it comes up here on boards that in the United States the law system is great and it should be like that here. Cops killing more citizens then actual murderers and highest prison population in the world. It's hilarious that's its called the country of freedom yet it has a higher prison population than North Korea and China. But hey these officers did nothing wrong, that's why the charges were dropped. I agree the Gardai should be let to strip you down naked and search you...... Because apparently there are many here that want it in Ireland.

That's why your mother always tells you to put on clean underwear before you go out.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Victors write the history but this is the other side. Who owned the ships which crossed the Atlantic with black men, women and children sold by their people in Africa? So tragic

Yanks from Boston and New York.

Sell them down to the cotton pickers in the south.

How dare they try and place themselves as the good guys. That Stars and Stripes is not as pure as people make it out to be.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Victors write the history but this is the other side. Who owned the ships which crossed the Atlantic with black men, women and children sold by their people in Africa? So tragic

Yanks from Boston and New York.

Sell them down to the cotton pickers in the south.

How dare they try and place themselves as the good guys. That Stars and Stripes is not as pure as people make it out to be.

Ah heeeyor, come on, mod note 38, no one can answer...

wakka12

Horrifying. And if she had resisted Im sure she would have been injured or worse, and youll have lots saying the police officers did nothing wrong and she should have obeyed orders

Samaris

Mod: DEFTLEFTHAND, do not post in this thread again.

Samaris

This was a disgusting case, and the more so that, teeth-grittingly, it wasn't illegal at the time (became illegal in November 2015).

You would think human decency would mean you didn't have to have a law saying you can't forcibly strip-search someone - and, by the way, just think for a moment what it would be like being held down by two men while someone shoves their fingers into your vagina. That is awful. And then they did her for resisting arrest!

Absolutely abuse of power. This being the south in the US, and she being black, this story could very easily have ended with the police shooting her for resisting.

What the bloody hells, America?