Rugby Championship 2017

RugbyLover123

Embarrassing doing a celebration when you're losing by that much

Neil3030

Where has this linespeed been??

molloyjh

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Embarrassing doing a celebration when you're losing by that much

Not at all. You need to get the confidence and belief up. If they can get another couple of tries then the scoreline would be made far more respectable. You've gotta get everyone up for that.

Quintis

molloyjh wrote: »

Not at all. You need to get the confidence and belief up. If they can get another couple of tries then the scoreline would be made far more respectable. You've gotta get everyone up for that.

All the confidence in the world wouldn't help this Aussie team. This is embarrassing, the basic skills are not there, any respectability went out the door in the first half

Clegg

New Zealand went to sleep after the 50th minute.

Could be a 100 point game

Neil3030

If I'm Barnes, I'm absolutely giving every 50-50 to Aus, the old Nigel Owens trick to getting an exciting finale!

molloyjh

Quintis wrote: »

All the confidence in the world wouldn't help this Aussie team. This is embarrassing, the basic skills are not there, any respectability went out the door in the first half

In the last 3-4 years we're the only ones who put more than 30 points on NZ. If they can get another converted try, or even 2 more, that would give them something going into next week. Attacking wise they actually have shown some decent bits of rugby throughout. And no other team in the Championship will be as strong as NZ.

molloyjh

I'd love this to be a score.

Neil3030

Nige obviously wants him going upstairs - can't have Barnes reffing the biggest comeback of all time!

molloyjh

Kuidrani knocked on......


EDIT: came off the leg.

Forward pass and offside. Take your pick.

Neil3030

Dare we dream?

molloyjh

Hahahahaha, if that was game defining that probably wouldn't be awarded. But feck it. That's a far better scoreline even if NZ have switched off.

That is an abysmal call. The camera angle isn't side on to the play, it's looking from behind.

Basil3

Basil3 wrote: »

That is an abysmal call. The camera angle isn't side on to the play, it's looking from behind.

I think it was inconclusive and they are looking for a reason to disallow so it's probably fair. Could have gone either way without it necessarily being a bad call.

Neil3030

I think we're seeing a blueprint for beating NZ here - let them get 50 points ahead, then come back when they tune out.

Entertaining match. Bit harsh on the Aussies, allowing them a false 14 point swing at the end. They're probably going to be thinking they're not completely useless, now. :pac:

Bazzo

Missed the match unfortunately but New Zealand going scoreless for the final 30 mins of a game seems very unusual...

Del.Monte

First half was a joy to watch but allowing the Aussies back in in the second half was very disappointing. Still it was men and boys stuff and you have to ask where's Australian rugby union going?

Neil3030

You'd imagine our fellow celts will beat the spread (15.5) against Argentina later on.

Neil3030

Saffers massively fired up here. Beast was in tears during the anthem.

accensi0n

What the hell is poite talking about "blue player touched the ball" !?!

Bazzo

What sort of suicide finish was that?!

determinations

What a counter attack from the Pumas.

The missed kicks will cost them tho I feel.

determinations

Was he not held there? Looked like that tackle was completed.

Bazzo

determinations wrote: »

Was he not held there? Looked like that tackle was completed.

100% was, poor miss from the refs.

ArmaniJeanss

I notice Australia didn't get a try bonus point for 4 tries as the system they use can only give one team a try bonus (if they score 3 or more tries more than their opponents).
What are the pros and cons of this system?
Seeing as the SH clearly like it is it likely to be used in future WCs?

thomond2006

The advantage is teams who score the BP can't phone it in afterwards and stop trying to score. Also a team can't get a BP where they score four tries and get hockeyed on the scoreboard.

swiwi_

So...any Leinster fans ready to convince me of the merits of Cheika as an international coach? I don't really remember his reign as Leinster coach, but obviously he had success, and he also did get a Super Rugby title with the Waratahs. In his first season as Australian coach, he beat NZ once and got to the RWC final.

However, in the last few months, it's been hard to discern what the actual Australian game plan is, and they have no defence to speak of, at least for much of the match in the weekend. They have lost to a lot of teams, including a whitewash at home to England. Any time the camera pans to the coaching box, he has his hands thrown in the air, and even a half-blind person can lipread the constant string of profanities - if you think the problem is outside of your sphere of control (ie it's all the refs fault), you're in trouble.

It is just a case of crap players, and there is nothing any other coach could do better...or is Cheika just not cut out for international rugby?

munsterlegend

swiwi_ wrote: »

So...any Leinster fans ready to convince me of the merits of Cheika as an international coach? I don't really remember his reign as Leinster coach, but obviously he had success, and he also did get a Super Rugby title with the Waratahs. In his first season as Australian coach, he beat NZ once and got to the RWC final.

However, in the last few months, it's been hard to discern what the actual Australian game plan is, and they have no defence to speak of, at least for much of the match in the weekend. They have lost to a lot of teams, including a whitewash at home to England. Any time the camera pans to the coaching box, he has his hands thrown in the air, and even a half-blind person can lipread the constant string of profanities - if you think the problem is outside of your sphere of control (ie it's all the refs fault), you're in trouble.

It is just a case of crap players, and there is nothing any other coach could do better...or is Cheika just not cut out for international rugby?

More to do with the fact not enough talented players. Rugby Union is dying in Australia.

RugbyLover123

swiwi_ wrote: »

So...any Leinster fans ready to convince me of the merits of Cheika as an international coach? I don't really remember his reign as Leinster coach, but obviously he had success, and he also did get a Super Rugby title with the Waratahs. In his first season as Australian coach, he beat NZ once and got to the RWC final.

However, in the last few months, it's been hard to discern what the actual Australian game plan is, and they have no defence to speak of, at least for much of the match in the weekend. They have lost to a lot of teams, including a whitewash at home to England. Any time the camera pans to the coaching box, he has his hands thrown in the air, and even a half-blind person can lipread the constant string of profanities - if you think the problem is outside of your sphere of control (ie it's all the refs fault), you're in trouble.

It is just a case of crap players, and there is nothing any other coach could do better...or is Cheika just not cut out for international rugby?

Outside of Hooper, Beale, Falou they've no world class players. Genia is nowhere near his '11 form and Foley is inconsistent. It's no surprise to me they're performances or results, they simple haven't got the players anymore, nothing Cheika can do.

Buer

I would say it's more a minor miracle that Cheika got them to a RWC final as opposed to him not being good enough to coach at test level. Australian rugby is in the absolute doldrums. A team has just been cut, finances are dwindling, the playing numbers are circling the drain...morale must be at the lowest ebb it has been for decades. Nobody can be surprised with yesterday given the incredible 0/26 statistic in Super Rugby.

In fairness, I think his race is run with the Wallabies. He has been with them for a few years now and a new voice is probably needed. There's only so much he can do and I think his style is one of bringing an structure and steel to a team but that has to wear off eventually. It got them settled and peaked for the RWC but that's been on a downward curve since.

If you look at the Australian side that played yesterday I'd struggle to be able to say who some of them play for in Super Rugby....Ned Hannigan, Curtis Rona...I barely know the names. And if you go through the rest of the team, I think 8 of them had 15 caps or less. The players simply are not there any longer. The starters that are experienced are guys like Beale and Genia who aren't a shadow of the players they once were.

I would not be surprised if Australia finish last in the tournament and Cheika resigns (possibly even before the end of the tournament).

The world is out to get Cheika

Could see that intercept coming mile off

irishman86

Wow

Quintis

Basil3 wrote: »

Could see that intercept coming mile off

Speight was directly in McKenzies eyeline, Folau's run was behind Speight, clever run, hard to see from McKenzie's POV. Brave call from Faolau, miss that and they are 5-0 down

irishman86

Weak defence from NZ for Hoopers try

PhilipsR

Jesus Christ we've got a game here! 0-17 with a conversion to go.

RugbyLover123

Jesus

This is gonna be painful for Aussie.

Let's see them call this knock on as "inconclusive"

RugbyLover123

That'll be disallowed. Should've taken the conversion straight away

irishman86

Well this is not the same team from last week

Shefwedfan

Give the try Nigel

This has Ireland 2013 written all over it. You've peaked too early, Aussie. They have over an hour to come back into it!

Tigerandahalf

What a try that was.

Erik Shin

Buer wrote: »

I would say it's more a minor miracle that Cheika got them to a RWC final as opposed to him not being good enough to coach at test level. Australian rugby is in the absolute doldrums. A team has just been cut, finances are dwindling, the playing numbers are circling the drain...morale must be at the lowest ebb it has been for decades. Nobody can be surprised with yesterday given the incredible 0/26 statistic in Super Rugby.

In fairness, I think his race is run with the Wallabies. He has been with them for a few years now and a new voice is probably needed. There's only so much he can do and I think his style is one of bringing an structure and steel to a team but that has to wear off eventually. It got them settled and peaked for the RWC but that's been on a downward curve since.

If you look at the Australian side that played yesterday I'd struggle to be able to say who some of them play for in Super Rugby....Ned Hannigan, Curtis Rona...I barely know the names. And if you go through the rest of the team, I think 8 of them had 15 caps or less. The players simply are not there any longer. The starters that are experienced are guys like Beale and Genia who aren't a shadow of the players they once were.

I would not be surprised if Australia finish last in the tournament and Cheika resigns (possibly even before the end of the tournament).

He's doing well here today

Quintis

I think they mixed up the jerseys before the game, NZ must be in yellow...

.ak

lol Justin Marshall doesn't understand the phrase professional foul.

'That's a professional foul, accidental or not!'

Lurch might be in trouble here "win at all costs"