So it's the 15th of August tonight & the Derry bonfire is being prepared.

LordSutch

Never knew anything about this till I saw this RTE report. A bonfire in honour of 'Our Lady' where the local youf feel compelled to throw stones & petrol bombs at the police!

Another month, another bonfire up North....
http://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2017/0815/897444-derry-bonfire/

Anyone ever heard of this before?

Red_Wake

I've got to get into the NI wood pallets scene, must be like printing money.

Cee-Jay-Cee

You cant let religion get in the way of a good riot.

Auldloon

Red_Wake wrote: »

I've got to get into the NI wood pallets scene, must be like printing money.

With a side order of flegs.

The Backwards Man

Red_Wake wrote: »

I've got to get into the NI wood pallets scene, must be like printing money.

They don't buy the pallets you know?

Wee bastards do more damage stealing them than the the actual cost of them, most places leave them outside the gate, easier in the long run.

Rhyme

"Community representatives have also expressed concern at the prospect of unionist symbols, such as the Union flag, being burnt on tonight's fire."

...and is there significant objection to tricolour flegs, posters of Sinn Fein politicians and hanged mannequins on the other bonfires?

Not condoning it at all, it's a disgusting practice, but less of the hypocrisy. Stop all the bonfires and discourage those that disagree.

stevedublin

Phew, people have finally stopped posting on the 12th July thread!
About time!

A Little Pony

Rhyme wrote: »

"Community representatives have also expressed concern at the prospect of unionist symbols, such as the Union flag, being burnt on tonight's fire."

...and is there significant objection to tricolour flegs, posters of Sinn Fein politicians and hanged mannequins on the other bonfires?

Not condoning it at all, it's a disgusting practice, but less of the hypocrisy. Stop all the bonfires and discourage those that disagree.

I'm a Unionist and I honestly don't care if they burn our flags or symbols. Let them crack on.

Syphonax

A Little Pony wrote: »

I'm a Unionist and I honestly don't care if they burn our flags or symbols. Let them crack on.

What happens when they want to throw you onto the fire?

These practices, marches and the like only served to keep the flame of hatred burning. What do you honestly get out of all the marching? must be great to be celebrating the deep hatred inside of you that you have for one side of your community?

bear1

What's special about August 15th? Not that July 12th is anything special mind you.

BillyBobBS

Bonfires in general appeal to some of societies biggest skangers.

Jimbob1977

Isn't this linked to internment's anniversary?

They want to light the fire under a motorway or dual carriageway bridge. What could possibly go wrong?

Atoms for Peace

Scumbags are attracted to bonfires like moths to a flame whether they're Catholic or Protestant.

riffmongous

bear1 wrote: »

What's special about August 15th? Not that July 12th is anything special mind you.

Catholic holiday

LordSutch

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Isn't this linked to internment's anniversary?

They want to light the fire under a motorway or dual carriageway bridge. What could possibly go wrong?

From RTE; Traditionally, a bonfire is lit on 15 August in Derry to mark a Catholic feast day celebrating the assumption of the Virgin Mary into heaven.

In modern times the fire has become a source of contention and associated with anti-social behaviour.

Many residents in the nationalist Bogside are opposed to the fire, which is built by local youths.

Dravokivich

The Backwards Man wrote: »

They don't buy the pallets you know?

Wee bastards do more damage stealing them than the the actual cost of them, most places leave them outside the gate, easier in the long run.

The folks losing out on'em, need replacements surely?

A Little Pony

Syphonax wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I'm a Unionist and I honestly don't care if they burn our flags or symbols. Let them crack on.

What happens when they want to throw you onto the fire?

These practices, marches and the like only served to keep the flame of hatred burning. What do you honestly get out of all the marching? must be great to be celebrating the deep hatred inside of you that you have for one side of your community?

They can always try. If the Catholic community want to celebrate in whatever way they want I will not object. I believe in individual liberty for the Catholic people and make no apologies for that.

Syphonax

A Little Pony wrote: »

They can always try. If the Catholic community want to celebrate in whatever way they want I will not object. I believe in individual liberty for the Catholic people and make no apologies for that.

Thats what wrong with northerners, you all continue to live in the past and promote hatred towards each other, infact it become something or a national pastime for northern Irish to spew the hatred which you're fostering onto the next generation. Until you let go of these idiotic parades you wont move forward.

A Little Pony

Syphonax wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

They can always try. If the Catholic community want to celebrate in whatever way they want I will not object. I believe in individual liberty for the Catholic people and make no apologies for that.

Thats what wrong with northerners, you all continue to live in the past and promote hatred towards each other, infact it become something or a national pastime for northern Irish to spew the hatred which you're fostering onto the next generation. Until you let go of these idiotic parades you wont move forward.

It's not a parade, have you not read the OP? It's a bonfire for a Catholic holiday. Leave them alone.

Syphonax

A Little Pony wrote: »

It's not a parade, have you not read the OP? It's a bonfire for a Catholic holiday. Leave them alone.

I was talking about the Orange parades but its goes for bonfires and whatever other means are at your disposal to keep the hate alive. Must feel great to be consumed by hate?

donegaLroad

Holy Mary mother of God, pray for me cause Im a Prod

Jelle1880

Syphonax wrote: »

I was talking about the Orange parades but its goes for bonfires and whatever other means are at your disposal to keep the hate alive. Must feel great to be consumed by hate?

What's your problem ? ALP literally said he has no problem with these bonfires, but you just feel the need to turn it around and focus on the parades ?

You also seem to ignore the fact this is not a Loyalist/Unionist event.

bear1

It's the same thing whenever a thread is started about the North, it just becomes a slagging match.

Syphonax

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What's your problem ? ALP literally said he has no problem with these bonfires, but you just feel the need to turn it around and focus on the parades ?

You also seem to ignore the fact this is not a Loyalist/Unionist event.

They are one in the same thing. and its a disease thats both infected Catholic/Protestant.

Think its obvious what my problem is, I hate scumbags.

Syphonax

bear1 wrote: »

It's the same thing whenever a thread is started about the North, it just becomes a slagging match.

Look, grown men and women attend these bonfires, its a rite of passage for young ones and does nothing but keep the vicious circle turning. Its no wonder no one outside of the north takes any of them seriously, they say one thing while their actions show the other.

corner of hells

stevedublin wrote: »

Phew, people have finally stopped posting on the 12th July thread!
About time!

Soon be poppy thread time , probably with a side order of hungerstriking .

A Little Pony

Syphonax wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What's your problem ? ALP literally said he has no problem with these bonfires, but you just feel the need to turn it around and focus on the parades ?

You also seem to ignore the fact this is not a Loyalist/Unionist event.

They are one in the same thing. and its a disease thats both infected Catholic/Protestant.

Think its obvious what my problem is, I hate scumbags.

It's a Catholic holiday, what makes them scumbags? Bizarre thing to say.

seachto7

A Little Pony wrote: »

It's a Catholic holiday, what makes them scumbags? Bizarre thing to say.

Well, it's a nack fest dressed up as a Catholic holiday....

citytillidie

Yes I remember the bonfires of my youth in the field.

Lit on the 15th August for the feast of the Assumption. Back when I was younger it was about having fun and a smaller bonfire and roasting marshmallows, then the older ones would take over and use it as an excuse to drink as the younger ones went home.

There were no Union flags or such things on those bonfires but in recent times it has been getting worse and then it moved onto community parties. Only some areas of the city do have bonfires now and last year in the Bog was the worst blocking off a road and causing lots of damage to it.

Syphonax

A Little Pony wrote: »

It's a Catholic holiday, what makes them scumbags? Bizarre thing to say.

Did you not read the article? they where attacking the PSNI FFS hardly salt of the earth lads what?

And you had the nerve to claim i I didnt read the opening post pmsl

A Little Pony

Syphonax wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

It's a Catholic holiday, what makes them scumbags? Bizarre thing to say.

Did you not read the article? they where attacking the PSNI FFS hardly salt of the earth lads what?

And you had the nerve to claim i I didnt read the opening post pmsl

What do you expect, it's the bogside.

Syphonax

A Little Pony wrote: »

What do you expect, it's the bogside.

You decided to read the article then yeah?

McMurphy

Red_Wake wrote: »

I've got to get into the NI wood pallets scene, must be like printing money.

Definitely not as profitable as the wood pellet scene.

turbostan

Was up there earlier, massive fire, hundreds gathered around it, and an air of tension building.
It lit around 10:45, and the scumbags were throwing glass bottles up over the wall 30mins later.
Really brave lads, anonymously throwing stones, bottles etc at random people who just happened to be passing by or were just quietly watching the bonfire.

Junkyard Tom

Rhyme wrote: »

Not condoning it at all, it's a disgusting practice, but less of the hypocrisy. Stop all the bonfires and discourage those that disagree.

A Little Pony wrote: »

I'm a Unionist and I honestly don't care if they burn our flags or symbols. Let them crack on.

Don't fall for this faux pragmatism Rhyme. ALP cares deeply about 'liberty' when it comes to bonfires, and burning flags/symbols, because he knows full well that any ban on such practices would strip away a large part of what his kinfolk would describe as their culture and do very little to them'uns.

JupiterKid

This date in 1969 my sister was born. This was also around the time when the Troubles began. We left the North shortly thereafter.

Your Face

tomwaterford

JupiterKid wrote: »

This date in 1969 my sister was born. This was also around the time when the Troubles began. We left the North shortly thereafter.

Happy birthday to her

Hope you bought her cake

Mint Sauce

LordSutch wrote: »

From RTE; Traditionally, a bonfire is lit on 15 August in Derry to mark a Catholic feast day celebrating the assumption of the Virgin Mary into heaven.

In modern times the fire has become a source of contention and associated with anti-social behaviour.

Many residents in the nationalist Bogside are opposed to the fire, which is built by local youths.

Wonder how many of them building the bonfire know about the original Catholic traditions, and only build it for the modern traditions of acting like an absolute tit.

A Little Pony

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Rhyme wrote: »

Not condoning it at all, it's a disgusting practice, but less of the hypocrisy. Stop all the bonfires and discourage those that disagree.

A Little Pony wrote: »

I'm a Unionist and I honestly don't care if they burn our flags or symbols. Let them crack on.

Don't fall for this faux pragmatism Rhyme. ALP cares deeply about 'liberty' when it comes to bonfires, and burning flags/symbols, because he knows full well that any ban on such practices would strip away a large part of what his kinfolk would describe as their culture and do very little to them'uns.

It's a small part but keep trying. Maybe you want state intervention in everything, I prefer for the state to leave citizens alone as much as possible. By all reports it was just hoods who got carried away burning Union flags and poppies.

I think if they learned about the meaning of the Poppy they wouldn't do it, so education might help on that front. Banning Bonfires is never going to happen.

danganabu

Syphonax wrote: »

They are one in the same thing. and its a disease thats both infected Catholic/Protestant.

Think its obvious what my problem is, I hate scumbags.

Are you really claiming that anyone who attends a bonfire or who participates in an orange parade is automatically a scumbag??

FrancieBrady

Good to hear politicians from the SDLP and SF condemn this behaviour.

NIMAN

Most of the normal members of society who live in the area would have been at the local Feile which was on at the same time.

It was only the scumbags who would have been up at the bonfire, as it attracts scum like sh1t attracts flies.

vicwatson

They only have the celebration in Derry though, extra special day for them

Your Face

Northern Ireland.
Not the Republic.

Northern Ireland.
Not the Republic.

Northern Ireland.
Not the Republic.

NIMAN

Its an internment reminder.

I would have thought Belfast would have had one too.

Junkyard Tom

A Little Pony wrote: »

Maybe you want state intervention in everything, I prefer for the state to leave citizens alone as much as possible.

Sure you do, except when you want the British state to underwrite the failed statelet in the northeast of Ireland - you literally owe your existence as a unionist to state intervention.

Banning Bonfires is never going to happen.

They need to be regulated. There should be some sort of permit system that considers the threat to property, persons, and the environment.

While they're at it there should be a requirement for planning permission to put flags on public infrastructure like lamp-posts.

NIMAN

Its NI we are talking about here, no way such sensible ideas will ever work.

Rumpy Pumpy

What a miserable and backward place Norn Ireland is.

danganabu

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

What a miserable and backward place Norn Ireland is.

You mean compared to the cheerful forward thinking place that the Republic is??

Junkyard Tom

danganabu wrote: »

You mean compared to the cheerful forward thinking place that the Republic is??

Comparatively yes. I even heard forward-thinking unionists calling into a London based talk-show saying that they're are beginning to see that a UI could be to their benefit having never even considered it before.