How are poor performers dealt with in your job?

Wanderer2010

Are poor performers ever dealt with appropriately in your job? Ireland is funny in that we always seem to give the benefit of the doubt to all people in a workplace. My boss avoids dealing with conflict and puts poor peformance down to people having a bad day. Other bosses threaten to discipline anyone who falls out of line then they lose their nerve.
How are poor performers dealt with in your job?

cumulonimbus

They are promoted to management.

rizzodun

It's a Sunday, the majority of us don't want to think about work until tomorrow. Come back then.

Seth Brundle

In our place, the poor performers are told to pass the time on Boards.ie

Mr_Muffin

They are named and shamed at the monthly company meeting.

Owryan

We ask them to go online and look for ways to deal with them.

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Owryan wrote: »

We ask them to go online and look for ways to deal with them.

Where they are told, you're grand and your employer is an unsympathetic monster, betraying the founding fathers of the state and that the EAT will see you're compensated on a technicality.

odyssey06

One day they don't turn up at their desks. There's no official explanation. It's a bit Stalinist.
We presume they just aren't working for us any more, rather than say, sleeping with the fishes.

Nothing happens at all.

There's this myth that it's easy to fire people in the private sector, and difficult to fire those in the public sector.

That's complete fabrication. You're on very dodgy ground when attempting to fire anybody in permanent employment, purely for poor performance.

There is no legal distinction between the public and private sectors.

judeboy101

They are given PE, sphe, cspe or geography in their timetable.(if they are really, really bad, they are farmed off to the dept to become school inspectors).

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A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

You're on very dodgy ground when attempting to fire anybody in permanent employment, purely for poor performance.

You're right and wrong. You're on dodgy ground IF you don't do it right. You're wrong to think you cannot fire someone for continued poor performance.

Mena

Coaching
Mentoring
Training
PIP
Warnings
Termination.

Quandary

I'm a primary school teacher so in my line of work people who don't pull their weight get cushy positions in learning support where they can cause as little damage as possible while they fester and rot their way into retirement.

Unfortunately, the few unlucky kids that need learning support will suffer

It's an amazing job but the lack of accountability is what I hate most about teaching. Principals have no real power to deal with bad/lazy teachers. I work hard to do my best but it's difficult to keep going the extra mile when you see such laziness around you

suicide_circus

Nothing. Literally nothing. There is no incentive to excel whatsoever.

suicide_circus

Mena wrote: »

Coaching
Mentoring
Training
PIP
Warnings
Termination.

Oh we have this process too buy it's just rarely if ever implemented

They are constantly rotated throughout different parts of the business, but never gotten rid of.

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Avatar MIA wrote: »

You're right and wrong. You're on dodgy ground IF you don't do it right. You're wrong to think you cannot fire someone for continued poor performance.

I'm not saying it cannot be done. I'm saying it's a legally dodgy area as a general principle.

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

They are constantly rotated throughout different parts of the business, but never gotten rid of.

You're a priest?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're a priest?

Retail.

BillyBobBS

In my job I think you'd have to literally murder someone to be fired. For the wages it's no surprise everyone just goes through the motions tbh no incentive to work harder.

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BillyBobBS wrote: »

For the wages it's no surprise everyone just goes through the motions tbh no incentive to work harder.

Glad you brought this up. This is probably the attitude I hate the most.

If you're not getting paid enough go to someplace that will pay you what you think your talents are worth. OR, and this may be controversial, use the talents you think you have to make the company work better, become more profitable and THEN put in a pay claim. But, you know, weird thinking I know.

bodhrandude

If you don't know the chords or the tune, be it reels or jigs, guitarists and bodhran players, we may ask you to refrain from playing and to listen first and maybe pick up the tunes later.

pauliebdub

My last company was quite ruthless and poor performers were given the opportunity to improve and if they didn't were fired and escorted off the premises. So poor performers rarely passed their probationary period.

I'm my current job poor performers are coached and supported , which can be very time consuming and demoralising for the rest of the team.

bee06

Nothing happens. There is a guy on my team who is a waste of space. The rest of us could be working 50 hour weeks and he's swanning in at 10 and home at 5 because he's not trusted with anything but the most basic stuff and he has to be reminded to do that.

A couple of months ago our manager was off for the week. It took him two days to realise he wasn't there because he has no interest in what's going on with the business.

And the most annoying thing is I wish I could be a bit more like him and care less but I just don't have it in me.

JayRoc

bee06 wrote: »

Nothing happens. There is a guy on my team who is a waste of space. The rest of us could be working 50 hour weeks and he's swanning in at 10 and home at 5 because he's not trusted with anything but the most basic stuff and he has to be reminded to do that.

A couple of months ago our manager was off for the week. It took him two days to realise he wasn't there because he has no interest in what's going on with the business.

And the most annoying thing is I wish I could be a bit more like him and care less but I just don't have it in me.

I don't really understand why people voluntarily do more than a 40 hour week if it's not necessary (presumably from your colleague's example it isn't). Does everyone hate their wife/kids that much?

corner of hells

BillyBobBS wrote: »

In my job I think you'd have to literally murder someone to be fired. For the wages it's no surprise everyone just goes through the motions tbh no incentive to work harder.

I've changed my position , same employer and am back on probation for a couple of months and have been told unofficially I'd have to kill someone to not come through the probation.

bee06

JayRoc wrote: »

I don't really understand why people voluntarily do more than a 40 hour week if it's not necessary (presumably from your colleague's example it isn't). Does everyone hate their wife/kids that much?

It's not necessary for him because he's not trusted to do anything important. The rest of us are left to pick up the slack then.

Emperor Qianlong

Having worked in several companies over many years I would have to say the most common problem I find is poor management. People are promoted to being managers who havent the least bit of ability for the job. I think a lot of the time its done just because they have been there a certain amount of time. That has such a negative effect on the company overall

steddyeddy

It's not just Ireland. Where I work in the UK there's plenty of useless people on full time contracts. One guy has 6 informal and one formal complaint against him.

The lab in America is a different story. Don't get results and you're gone.

carzony

It's rare that those kind of people are dealt with in my place but when they are they usually get 'moved on' fairly quick. 'Moved on' basically means they are given demeaning jobs and put back on the minimum amount of hours.

Funny enough, only last week a lad was 'moved on' for falling asleep during the night shift.

I don't recall anyone ever being fired.

Capt'n Midnight

Decimation.

One in ten chosen by lot to be bludgeoned to death by the other nine.

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steddyeddy wrote: »

The lab in America is a different story. Don't get results and you're gone.

Not getting the result of lab tests would be fairly serious alright

sjb25

cumulonimbus wrote: »

They are promoted to management.

Ah civil servant like myself

Your Face

In the last place I worked, poor performers were simply ignored.
Nobody wanted to be the one to take them to task.

As a result, the company lost all its good employees who left out of resentment.
They didn't want to be carrying the dead weight.

It was a shame as the company had a lot of potential.

Jesus Wept

What's pip?

FishOnABike

Jesus Wept wrote: »

What's pip?

Performance improvement plan

bee06

Jesus Wept wrote: »

What's pip?

Performance Improvement Plan

FishOnABike

bee06 wrote: »

Performance Improvement Plan

Snap ;-)

Gunmonkey

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Decimation.

One in ten chosen by lot to be bludgeoned to death by the other nine.

So weeding out the weak and a team-building exercise in one....very efficient!

harry Bailey esq

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

How are poor performers dealt with in your job?

They just seem to disappear of the face of the earth,there one day and gone the next day. Where they go to nobody knows.
Only joking,they just get fired











at in pubs.

Emperor Qianlong

FishOnABike wrote: »

Performance improvement plan

sounds like a good laugh

_Kaiser_

In my experience (as a manager who's had to do it), it can be done but the process is extremely slow and it's very rare it gets to termination. Usually the employee in question will quit first.

The bigger problem can be a lack of supports at higher level for good employees unless you're in sales.

Sue Pa Key Pa

There's a company ethos in our place that everybody is aware of and accepts. Work hard and you will be well rewarded, become a slacker and you'll be gone, somehow. If it is a matter of someone needing training or support, it will be readily given without question

eeguy

Usually just given the worst projects and the most tedious work in the hope the person quits eventually.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Nothing happens at all.

There's this myth that it's easy to fire people in the private sector, and difficult to fire those in the public sector.

That's complete fabrication. You're on very dodgy ground when attempting to fire anybody in permanent employment, purely for poor performance.

There is no legal distinction between the public and private sectors.

This.

Very hard to sack poor performers.

Specialun

Instant PIP, followed by HR/management putting pressure on you. HR go to the next step and tell you there job is to protect the company and thats it.

The J Stands for Jay

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Are poor performers ever dealt with appropriately in your job? Ireland is funny in that we always seem to give the benefit of the doubt to all people in a workplace. My boss avoids dealing with conflict and puts poor peformance down to people having a bad day. Other bosses threaten to discipline anyone who falls out of line then they lose their nerve.
How are poor performers dealt with in your job?

Punished with more flexible working conditions.

Ken.

My boss has a deal with a recruitment agency. Good workers get taken on full time by the company after a month or 2 and bad workers are told they are no longer needed.

steddyeddy

RoboKlopp wrote: »

This.

Very hard to sack poor performers.

It really depends on the contract they're on. I don't think permenant contracts are always a good thing. Too many places hand them out willy nilly.

Nettle Soup

2 strikes and youre out in my place. Thats 2 poor performance ratings in a row.
When I worked in a city council nothing happened for poor performers, unions made sure of that. I did see one useless fecker promoted in order to get him moved to a different section.

Tsipras

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Are poor performers ever dealt with appropriately in your job? Ireland is funny in that we always seem to give the benefit of the doubt to all people in a workplace. My boss avoids dealing with conflict and puts poor peformance down to people having a bad day. Other bosses threaten to discipline anyone who falls out of line then they lose their nerve.
How are poor performers dealt with in your job?

who gives a ****, worry about your own life, if you haven't been rewarded properly it's probably because you're a weirdo with no social skills

Banned.