Do you love Ireland?

oceonsheist

I don't want to sound so unpatriotic.

But I love Ireland, I really do.

It has a few problems but ah sure it could be worse!

Ash.J.Williams

oceonsheist wrote: »

I don't want to sound so unpatriotic. I think Ireland is a beautiful country, there are lots of things i do like but to be honest keep getting pissed off on a daily basis and the negatives outweighing the positives for me.

My main beefs are
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1. High rental prices

2. Negative people who surround me (i don't blame them too much.. but trust me i get a heap of negativity constantly thrown at me on a daily basis I have become a negative potato)

3. I don't like somethings in the health system. Visit to the local GP for me always involves disclosing my private details to the staff in the waiting room where everyone can hear unless I bend over & whisper. Couldn't they just ask me to fill in a goddamn form or something.

4. Work Pay can be utterly rubbish if you fall of the ladder or don't climb fast enough.

5. Weather questionable lot of time

6. There was a huge influx of foreign workers who undercut us. (Of course they can afford to do it when 10 of them all live in the same bed)

7. Was never on Jobseekers allowance yet, but if I was I don't know how could live on 100 euro a week and smile in the morning.

8. If you want to take a getaway holiday for a few days in Dublin you could easily drop a thousand at least.

People spending 2 hours commuting to work, dealing with grumpy soabs all day, coming home to grumpy soab's. Getting twisted drunk at the weekend dreading Monday again. Thousands homeless, people getting thrown out of their homes by banks daily.

Don't get me wrong, if I had money coming out of my eyeballs I guess I could be quite happy here. But right now I really don't know.

I love Ireland but it seems anti people... House prices... Rent... Transport... Wages.. Shocking

Grayson

It's grand. We might be called whingers for complaining but I like the fact that we do. The country's far from perfect but at least we admit it and don't have that whole US "We are the greatest country in the world".

Academic

oceonsheist wrote: »

I don't want to sound so unpatriotic. I think Ireland is a beautiful country, there are lots of things i do like but to be honest keep getting pissed off on a daily basis and the negatives outweighing the positives for me.

My main beefs are
______________

1. High rental prices

2. Negative people who surround me (i don't blame them too much.. but trust me i get a heap of negativity constantly thrown at me on a daily basis I have become a negative potato)

3. I don't like somethings in the health system. Visit to the local GP for me always involves disclosing my private details to the staff in the waiting room where everyone can hear unless I bend over & whisper. Couldn't they just ask me to fill in a goddamn form or something.

4. Work Pay can be utterly rubbish if you fall of the ladder or don't climb fast enough.

5. Weather questionable lot of time

6. There was a huge influx of foreign workers who undercut us. (Of course they can afford to do it when 10 of them all live in the same bed)

7. Was never on Jobseekers allowance yet, but if I was I don't know how could live on 100 euro a week and smile in the morning.

8. If you want to take a getaway holiday for a few days in Dublin you could easily drop a thousand at least.

People spending 2 hours commuting to work, dealing with grumpy soabs all day, coming home to grumpy soab's. Getting twisted drunk at the weekend dreading Monday again. Thousands homeless, people getting thrown out of their homes by banks daily.

Don't get me wrong, if I had money coming out of my eyeballs I guess I could be quite happy here. But right now I really don't know.

Here we go again ...

screamer

No. I definitely don't love it.

OldMrBrennan83

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LeinsterDub

oceonsheist wrote: »

2. Negative people who surround me (i don't blame them too much.. but trust me i get a heap of negativity constantly thrown at me on a daily basis I have become a negative potato)

Starts a thread with 8 negative points about Ireland... Hmm. Doctor heal thy self

Barry Badrinath

Yes but it needs a forced reset.

alberto67

oceonsheist wrote: »

I don't want to sound so unpatriotic. I think Ireland is a beautiful country, there are lots of things i do like but to be honest keep getting pissed off on a daily basis and the negatives outweighing the positives for me.

It might be the time to emigrate then.

gitzy16v

Great place....Its no better or worse than many other modern societies more or less.
No point giving out about it too much....hardly North Korea or anything

Rumpy Pumpy

One of the safest, most prosperous and equitable countries in the world. Consistently ranked as one of the best countries in the world in which to live, with extremely high quality of life metrics. Billions of people would give their left arm to live in a place like this.

Quit your moaning.

Del.Monte

Grayson wrote: »

It's grand. We might be called whingers for complaining but I like the fact that we do. The country's far from perfect but at least we admit it and don't have that whole US "We are the greatest country in the world".

Sorry? I must be living in a different country - the media is full on, and has been for years, about us having the most educated young people in the world, everybody loves the Irish, good Europeans, best scenery, best little country in the world to do business.....blah, blah, blah.

Burial.

Ireland is fine. Has some glaring flaws but has its highlights too. I feel anyone who is extremely in love with the place or hates the place is a bit of a fruit cake.

wotzgoingon

I like Ireland but I suppose I'm biased as I receive 1.5 Mil a year after tax.

















I wish I was on that much money but even though I'm not I still like Ireland.

Dirty Dingus McGee

It'd be a lovely country if you could only roof it.

oceonsheist

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

One of the safest, most prosperous and equitable countries in the world. Consistently ranked as one of the best countries in the world in which to live, with extremely high quality of life metrics. Billions of people would give their left arm to live in a place like this.

Quit your moaning.

Which drugs are you on?

Atoms for Peace

Most of your points could refer to any Western nation these days.

oceonsheist

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Starts a thread with 8 negative points about Ireland... Hmm. Doctor heal thy self

Did you even read what I said....

I do. I'm lucky to have been born here.

LeinsterDub

oceonsheist wrote: »

Which drugs are you on?

The opium of facts and figures. But I hear the feels is a great high

Rumpy Pumpy

oceonsheist wrote: »

Which drugs are you on?

The natural high of life, pal. Take off the sunglasses of negativity and have a good look at reality.

Ireland is not without its flaws, but utopia has never existed.

5rtytry56

OP, don't take the people in the RTE TV / radio Ads to heart so much. That's all really.

LeinsterDub

oceonsheist wrote: »

Did you even read what I said....

Yes I read your 8 point whinge with supplemental whinging at the bottom. Did the whinging at the bottom not make the cut?

keith_sixteen

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Billions of people would give their left arm to live in a place like this.

Quit your moaning.

Ah come on tho - I know what you mean tho but he's not asking billions of people. I think it's a fair question to ask - how good is Ireland to live in relative to the rest of the Western world.

I love certain aspects of Ireland, but I think it could do better for sure. While it is generally safe etc., I think there are plenty of safer places. I'd have no problem walking down Langstrasse in Zurich at 4am but not sure I would do the same in Dublin

We should pay our educators more too. Our education was first class once upon a time but I think it is standing still and being overtaken. Class sizes are too large.

Public transport is awful...even in Dublin...esp. in Dublin.

The never-ending housing crisis is a desperate state of affairs too.

I'd have no problems moving back to Ireland if I had do, but I don't and I won't.

oceonsheist

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yes I read your 8 point whinge with supplemental whinging at the bottom. Did the whinging at the bottom not make the cut?

ok pick & choose only the words that you want, never mind the bit where I already admitted becoming negative. Just state the obvious while you are at it.

That's fine.

LeinsterDub

oceonsheist wrote: »

ok pick & choose only the words that you want, never mind the bit where I already admitted becoming negative. Just state the obvious while you are at it.

That's fine.

I'm just highlighting your contradictory stance of complaining about negative people while being one of those people yourself.

mosstin

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

One of the safest, most prosperous and equitable countries in the world. Consistently ranked as one of the best countries in the world in which to live, with extremely high quality of life metrics. Billions of people would give their left arm to live in a place like this.

Quit your moaning.

Do you honestly believe that our already overwhelmed health service has the capacity to deal with that many amputees? FFS, get a grip.

Ipso

mosstin wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that our already overwhelmed health service has the capacity to deal with that many amputees? FFS, get a grip.

I think there are enough trollies.

Wailin

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It's be a lovely country if you could only roof it.

Christ I hate that stupid statement. Bit long in the tooth now isn't it?

It's grand, and I have no intention of ever leaving.

The only thing I'd change is, I wish we were tougher on crime. Particularly things like home break-ins and assault. Vast swathes of the populace, for whatever reason, have no respect for law and order.

odyssey06

"To be attached to the subdivision, to love the little platoon we belong to in society, is the first principle (the germ as it were) of public affections. It is the first link in the series by which we proceed towards a love to our country, and to mankind."
- Edmund Burke

I love my part of Dublin, I love Dublin, I love Ireland and I love the world... but certainly there's lot of things about it I don't *like*.

Wanting to fix its problems shows how much you care maybe?

fxotoole

Del.Monte wrote: »

Sorry? I must be living in a different country - the media is full on, and has been for years, about us having the most educated young people in the world, everybody loves the Irish, good Europeans, best scenery, best little country in the world to do business.....blah, blah, blah.

That's the media. Talk to anyone down the local pub though, and it's all moaning and complaining.

donegaLroad

Deleted User wrote: »

It's grand, and I have no intention of ever leaving.

The only thing I'd change is, I wish we were tougher on crime. Particularly things like home break-ins and assault. Vast swathes of the populace, for whatever reason, have no respect for law and order.

There is the attitude in Ireland of 'sure look at they guys at the top and what they got away with during the banking meltdown'

donegaLroad

donegaLroad wrote: »

There is the attitude in Ireland of 'sure look at they guys at the top and what they got away with during the banking meltdown'

Agreed. The banking crisis continues to be used as a justification for all sorts of crappy behaviour. Some of our elected officials fan the flames as well.

irishman86

Everywhere has its pluses and minuses

Negatives that stand out for me are how people want others to fail it doesnt matter the situation, the only time this seems not to be the case is if they succeed to a position lower than themselfs
Weather is horrible most of the time
Ive never in my life heard the sentence "x person has notions about him/herself" before moving here
Why does everything revolve around drink
Very cliquey
Positives are its easy to survive on social welfare as long as you dont smoke/drink a lot
Its close to everywhere in europe
Its handy enough to get a job

Im sure there is more in both categories

irishman86

irishman86 wrote: »

Everywhere has its pluses and minuses

Negatives that stand out for me are how people want others to fail it doesnt matter the situation, the only time this seems not to be the case is if they succeed to a position lower than themselfs
Weather is horrible most of the time
Ive never in my life heard the sentence "x person has notions about him/herself" before moving here
Why does everything revolve around drink
Very cliquey
Positives are its easy to survive on social welfare as long as you dont smoke/drink a lot
Its close to everywhere in europe
Its handy enough to get a job

Im sure there is more in both categories

I hear this thing about Irish begrudgery constantly on here. Maybe I move in different circles, but I very rarely observe it in real life

Carry

oceonsheist wrote: »

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My main beefs are
______________

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6. There was a huge influx of foreign workers who undercut us. (Of course they can afford to do it when 10 of them all live in the same bed)

(...)

Oi, I'm foreign, I certainly don't undercut any of you (you couldn't do my job anyway) and I sleep not only in my own bed, but in my own house!


Answering your question: I love Ireland, but sometimes the locals with that attitude go on my nerves.

My main beef here: The Irish more often than not complain about all and sundry and instead of doing something about their "beefs" they blame the foreigners, the media, the politicians, the system, the whatnot.
And when there are people who try to change something or are at least protesting, the complaining continues about the lefties, the hippies, the liberals and all should stay as it was, because change is so scary.

You know, change and making life, society or country better starts in small steps, like questioning your attitude, thinking about what to do to make something better and so on. So get going instead of moaning.

Arrgh ...

ToddyDoody

Generally it's fine. Sometimes get myself into a "its all a load of twee Irish sh*te" moods.

irishman86

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear this thing about Irish begrudgery constantly on here. Maybe I move in different circles, but I very rarely observe it in real life

Could easily be the case buddy, Ive noticed it since leaving France ten+ years ago. There would have been guys i thought i was good friends with when any of our group of friends achieved any sort of success they would find any reason to put them down
I stopped hanging around with that group after a while, but like you mentioned it depends on the circles you are in
Ive seen it within families here, where one sister bid for a shop and got it, the other one has never hidden her disappointment that she succeeded in getting it

Arghus

Yes and no, but mainly, yes.

oceonsheist

irishman86 wrote: »

Everywhere has its pluses and minuses

Negatives that stand out for me are how people want others to fail it doesnt matter the situation, the only time this seems not to be the case is if they succeed to a position lower than themselfs

I have noticed something like this too, I was not sure if it was born out of jelousy of insecurity or what. People very quick to attempt to belittle others achievements in some way or another.

Yes, wouldn't even contemplate liviing anywhere else.

Right2Write

Ireland is a great wee country on the whole. I wouldn't consider living anywhere else, even dislike leaving the shores for holidays etc.

And what of those who choose to or are obliged to emigrate - they spend a lot of their time looking back.

oceonsheist

Carry wrote: »

Oi, I'm foreign, I certainly don't undercut any of you (you couldn't do my job anyway) and I sleep not only in my own bed, but in my own house!


Answering your question: I love Ireland, but sometimes the locals with that attitude go on my nerves.

My main beef here: The Irish more often than not complain about all and sundry and instead of doing something about their "beefs" they blame the foreigners, the media, the politicians, the system, the whatnot.
And when there are people who try to change something or are at least protesting, the complaining continues about the lefties, the hippies, the liberals and all should stay as it was, because change is so scary.

You know, change and making life, society or country better starts in small steps, like questioning your attitude, thinking about what to do to make something better and so on. So get going instead of moaning.

Arrgh ...

Yes. My comment about foreigners was over the top, sorry...
And a bit of a humorous exaggeration (about 10 living in the same bed)
However I have known so many that do what I mentioned.
It sounds like you have established a life in Ireland, however there are others who come for a quick buck and don't mind living like slaves until they return home.

And why do you say I could not do your job?

"The Irish more often than not complain about"
You are agreeing with me on that point. I am not a negative person but it kind of rubs off you in a contagious way when constantly surrounded by it.

"So get going instead of moaning"
I work 10 - 12 hours a day 7 days a week. I am simply putting across what I have noticed and asking other peoples opinions on it. I don't view it so much as moaning.

irishman86

oceonsheist wrote: »

I have noticed something like this too, I was not sure if it was born out of jelousy of insecurity or what. People very quick to attempt to belittle others achievements in some way or another.

It is the thing that i really dont like about Ireland being totally honest
One of my friends married a Italian girl and all i heard being said was mockingly "he couldnt find himself a nice Irish girl"
I'm guessing similar comments were ushered about my partner when I rocked up in town :pac:
For me being negative about others experiences/achievements is an attempt to build themselves up when all i hear is Im a insecure prick

Nettle Soup

I love Ireland but there is way too much corruption expecially amongst the Gardai. Putting the Roman Catholic church on the sidelines was also a superb improvement. I will never leave Ireland.

pauliebdub

Yes. There's pros and cons but out of all the places I've lived in and travelled to, Dublin is hard to beat. If only we were tougher on crime and had better infrastructure ( Transport and healthcare) it would be perfect.

Mutant z

I love Ireland but i despise Irish politicians.

eviltwin

Yes I do. Ireland has been very good to me and given me opportunities that would not be possible elsewhere. We also have some of the best people out there, we have a positive attitude and a great sense of humour. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I love the physical country but not the nation we are but I guess that's the fault of successive governments. As a nation we pander to anyone and everyone except our own. It appears to me everyone else is looked after over and above the people who built this country and who have always lived here. It sickens me the way the ordinary hard working people are shít on from a high on a constant basis.

Carry

Carry wrote: »

Oi, I'm foreign, I certainly don't undercut any of you (you couldn't do my job anyway) and I sleep not only in my own bed, but in my own house!


Answering your question: I love Ireland, but sometimes the locals with that attitude go on my nerves.

My main beef here: The Irish more often than not complain about all and sundry and instead of doing something about their "beefs" they blame the foreigners, the media, the politicians, the system, the whatnot.
And when there are people who try to change something or are at least protesting, the complaining continues about the lefties, the hippies, the liberals and all should stay as it was, because change is so scary.

You know, change and making life, society or country better starts in small steps, like questioning your attitude, thinking about what to do to make something better and so on. So get going instead of moaning.

Arrgh ...

What is so unique about your job?