Broodmother wants more children

Synthol

''A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child.

Mother Winnifred Ward told Extra.ie the local council is trying to ‘stop the couple’ having children, and branded the treatment ‘shocking’.

The mother of eight said. ‘I’d like a few more (children) – yeah. Of course I would, I’d like a good few more running around.’

In total, the couple have a weekly income of €923.50, or just over €48,000 a year. Mr Fogarty said it would be argued that the Social Housing Assessment Regulations, which set the threshold, amounted to an unfair and unconstitutional attack on the family unit.''

So this is where 40% of my wage go to, to support breeders on social welfare. I am working my ass off 60 hours per week and this is where all my finances are going. I basically have nothing left at the end of the week due to massive taxation.

NinetyTwoTeam

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

Synthol

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

I agree with you completely.

bigpink

Travellers im guessing?

suicide_circus

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

Much of this is true but it is interesting that in many cases those who rely on the state are more likely to reproduce than those that work. It's Darwinism in reverse. It's a weird and unspoken social contract involving the transfer of genetic success from the worker drones (sterile) to the Queens. We should probably be grateful for people like this if only because they buck the trend of falling birth rates.

Arghus

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

Cracker of a post.

Sick of seeing these kind of threads. Same old bullsh*t over and over again.

Cookie_Monster

Synthol wrote: »

The mother of eight said. ‘I’d like a few more (children) – yeah. Of course I would, I’d like a good few more running around.’

And I'd like a Ferarri, but unlike them I know I cannot afford it and don't expect someone else to pick up the tab.

the_syco

Synthol wrote: »

''A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child.

Don't see why she should be treated any differently than those who work.

Jawgap

€48,0000 per year 'take home' plus help with rent and - presumably - a medical card......to get that by working you'd have to be grossing well over a €100,000 - what a great country :rolleyes:

I should've put more effort into having kids than studying......more fun and more rewarding by the sounds of it

I'm all for a decent social welfare system that protects you if/when you hit hard times, but I also think there's an argument for limiting the amount any person can claim from the pot.

nkav86

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote:

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

I usually hate when people quote full bodies of text, but this is stellar. I agree completely. I'm so sick of the 'why do I bother working when these lot get everything' posts. I agree that this type of situation can seem like a kick in the teeth. But we all bother working because we have pride in ourselves and don't want to be chained to the system for a measly amount per week, we want better for ourselves and families. There are a lot of flaws in the current system, I'm well aware, but this 'my taxes' crap irritates me no end.

screamer

I'm sure those of you who don't mind paying taxes so others can sit on their arse and make more mouths to feed won't mind ponying up to pay even more tax as the wasters increase and the drain strengthens.
Seriously there's something messed up with the mentality that it's fine for people to be given a grand a week for doing SFA but sure I work, I have my pride..... And they have your money. Ha ha.

dr.fuzzenstein

screamer wrote: »

I'm sure those of you who don't mind paying taxes so others can sit on their arse and make more mouths to feed won't mind ponying up to pay even more tax as the wasters increase and the drain strengthens.
Seriously there's something messed up with the mentality that it's fine for people to be given a grand a week for doing SFA but sure I work, I have my pride..... And they have your money. Ha ha.

But as soon as one asylum seeker gets in, the same people "BAAAAAAA! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

suicide_circus wrote: »

Much of this is true but it is interesting that in many cases those who rely on the state are more likely to reproduce than those that work. It's Darwinism in reverse. It's a weird and unspoken social contract involving the transfer of genetic success from the worker drones (sterile) to the Queens. We should probably be grateful for people like this if only because they buck the trend of falling birth rates.

But is falling birth rates down to people like this? We live in a country that encourages people not to work. This family are receiving so much in social welfare that they're over the treshold for social housing. They're receiving so much of the taxpayers money they're actually better off financially than families who work. People are free to have as many children as they like but should have no reasonable expectation that it's societies responsibility to fund her clown car vagina.

Children's allowance benefit should be capped at 2 children. Have more children by all means but pay for them yourself. Let's call a spade a spade, this woman and her husband will never work, and her litter of kids will be the exact same.

People are getting up and working paying taxes to fund the likes off her and are putting off having their own families because they can't afford to. Women are going back to work after having children and are paying childminders and crèches to care for their kids while they make money and pay into the pot that keeps these people at home breeding.

The likes of them contribute nothing positive to society and it's wrong that they can reap the benefits of a pot they contribute nothing to. They're over the income threshold so they're not eligible for social housing, if they bend the rules for this family and not for a young working family who are over the threshold too then that's very very wrong

nkav86

screamer wrote:

I'm sure those of you who don't mind paying taxes so others can sit on their arse and make more mouths to feed won't mind ponying up to pay even more tax as the wasters increase and the drain strengthens. Seriously there's something messed up with the mentality that it's fine for people to be given a grand a week for doing SFA but sure I work, I have my pride..... And they have your money. Ha ha.

When did anyone say this??

munster87

Winnifred? Is she named after both of her parents?

colm_mcm

http://extra.ie/news/irish-news/family-of-ten-were-on-too-much-welfare-to-get-a-home

Full article here. They're making more than the €28750 p/a limit. There are large chunks of the article missing from the OP.

Kermit.de.frog

Synthol wrote: »

''A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child.

Mother Winnifred Ward told Extra.ie the local council is trying to ‘stop the couple’ having children, and branded the treatment ‘shocking’.

The mother of eight said. ‘I’d like a few more (children) – yeah. Of course I would, I’d like a good few more running around.’

In total, the couple have a weekly income of €923.50, or just over €48,000 a year. Mr Fogarty said it would be argued that the Social Housing Assessment Regulations, which set the threshold, amounted to an unfair and unconstitutional attack on the family unit.''

So this is where 40% of my wage go to, to support breeders on social welfare. I am working my ass off 60 hours per week and this is where all my finances are going. I basically have nothing left at the end of the week due to massive taxation.

The mother of eight said she is on Jobseeker’s Allowance, and has been ‘for years’, and that her husband Joseph is also in receipt of the payment.

Mrs Ward said: ‘The council are not giving us our own house – they’re not helping us now. We’ve been renting here for four years.

This is the country we live in.

Yamanoto

Leaving aside the ideological baggage that so often frames the debate, social welfare dependency as a lifestyle choice should be an absolute anathema to anyone who sees value in striving for a high-quality universal health care system, meaningful support for the tireless work of carers in the community or much needed investment in the provision of acute mental health services in the State.

I don't doubt there are myriad areas of Government policy where profligacy and pure stupidity have had a very real impact on the lives of folks who deserve better, but taking the piss at an individual level is both inherently wrong & utterly disrespectful to those for whom the protection afforded by a welfare payment is borne of genuine necessity.

Frankie5Angels

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

The rest of your post is very good, but this...this is genius.

Barry Badrinath

€48,000 a year for a person who may never have contributed to the welfare system.

So, instead of bursting my bollox in work for the last 18 years, I could have stayed at home and had sex.

My guidance councellor at school was an idiot! Why didnt he tell me about this?

In fact, €48,000 is not enough. She should get an extra allowance per child for keeping the ethnic minority alive.

dr.fuzzenstein

In a proper country both of these wasters would be sent job opportunities from the SW office. Refuse them, allowance cut.
Why doesn't this happen in Ireland?

B0jangles

LexieOnRale wrote: »

But is falling birth rates down to people like this? We live in a country that encourages people not to work. This family are receiving so much in social welfare that they're over the treshold for social housing. They're receiving so much of the taxpayers money they're actually better off financially than families who work. People are free to have as many children as they like but should have no reasonable expectation that it's societies responsibility to fund her clown car vagina.

Children's allowance benefit should be capped at 2 children. Have more children by all means but pay for them yourself. Let's call a spade a spade, this woman and her husband will never work, and her litter of kids will be the exact same.

People are getting up and working paying taxes to fund the likes off her and are putting off having their own families because they can't afford to. Women are going back to work after having children and are paying childminders and cres to care for their kids while they make money and pay into the pot that keeps these people at home breeding.

The likes of them contribute nothing positive to society and it's wrong that they can reap the benefits of a pot they contribute nothing to. They're over the income threshold so they're not eligible for social housing, if they bend the rules for this family and not for a young working family who are over the threshold too then that's very very wrong

So how do you suggest this should work Lexie?

Should people who have children above your limit be 'encouraged' to give them up for adoption if they can't afford to feed and clothe them?

What happens if you have two children already but your contraception fails?
(No abortion in Ireland, remember?)

What happens if you have one child already but stupidly, carelessly, you become pregnant with twins, or god help us, TRIPLETS, you greedy hussy!?

What happens if you are well able to pay for your 3+ children but fail to plan for unexpectedly losing your job or suffering a catastrophic accident, or being suddenly widowed or widowered?

colm_mcm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

In a proper country both of these wasters would be sent job opportunities from the SW office. Refuse them, allowance cut.
Why doesn't this happen in Ireland?

That's what supposed to happen. I was on the scratcher for a while a few years ago and they wanted details of interviews gone to and jobs I applied for.

Sam Kade

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

And I'd like a Ferarri, but unlike them I know I cannot afford it and don't expect someone else to pick up the tab.

As Robert De Niro once said sh1t in one hand and want with the other and see which one gets full first.

Wheeliebin30

It's all well and good saying sure leave them to it it's none of our business etc etc.

But when money is been spunked away on people like this other vital services suffer like health etc.

People who worked all their lives left waiting on trollies while this one complains about her 50 grand a year income.

It's not right.

Furthermore it just encourages more people to do the same.

We will come to a point where the welfare system will effectively bankrupt the country.

As it stands it's 20 billion a year. 1 out of every 2 people are on some sort of welfare payment. Yes I am aware pensions and child support are part of this . I'm including them too.

It's not sustainiable in the long run and everyone needs to contribute something to the pot.

Rumpy Pumpy

I presume Winnie isn't paying for the legal costs herself? Couple of state funded quangos involved as well no doubt. We allow this entitlement culture to exist.

Richard Hillman

B0jangles wrote: »

Should people who have children above your limit be 'encouraged' to give them up for adoption if they can't afford to feed and clothe them?

What happens if you have two children already but your contraception fails?
(No abortion in Ireland, remember?)

What happens if you have one child already but stupidly, carelessly, you become pregnant with twins, or god help us, TRIPLETS, you greedy hussy!?

What happens if you are well able to pay for your 3+ children but fail to plan for unexpectedly losing your job or suffering a catastrophic accident, or being suddenly widowed or widowered?

1. Yes.

2. Then they have another baby but we dont pay for it

3. Then they have triplets. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

4. Their problem, not ours.

B0jangles

Richard Hillman wrote: »

1. Yes.

2. Then they have another baby but we dont pay for it

3. Then they have triplets. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

4. Their problem, not ours.

So we write into law that in the eyes of the government, due to an accident of birth some children are inherently of less value, less worth supporting and less deserving of protection, than others? Moreover, we should effectively force people to give up their children into the care system rather than help them raise them in their own families?

Apart from the grossly inequitable situation that would create, from a purely utilitarian perspective, what do you think children who grow up in such very deprived circumstances are going to do when they themselves become adults?

B0jangles

I see.

Clearly you are a graduate of the "Punch them when they're down" school of political thought.

Personally, I think it's slightly more productive to help people get out of difficult situations than shove them face down back into them, then berate them for being there in the first place.

y0ssar1an22

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

But is falling birth rates down to people like this? We live in a country that encourages people not to work. This family are receiving so much in social welfare that they're over the treshold for social housing. They're receiving so much of the taxpayers money they're actually better off financially than families who work. People are free to have as many children as they like but should have no reasonable expectation that it's societies responsibility to fund her clown car vagina.

Children's allowance benefit should be capped at 2 children. Have more children by all means but pay for them yourself. Let's call a spade a spade, this woman and her husband will never work, and her litter of kids will be the exact same.

People are getting up and working paying taxes to fund the likes off her and are putting off having their own families because they can't afford to. Women are going back to work after having children and are paying childminders and crèches to care for their kids while they make money and pay into the pot that keeps these people at home breeding.

The likes of them contribute nothing positive to society and it's wrong that they can reap the benefits of a pot they contribute nothing to. They're over the income threshold so they're not eligible for social housing, if they bend the rules for this family and not for a young working family who are over the threshold too then that's very very wrong

whatever about the thread, these comments are excellent. keep up the good work guys

Wile E. Coyote

B0jangles wrote: »

So we write into law that in the eyes of the government, due to an accident of birth some children are inherently of less value, less worth supporting and less deserving of protection, than others? Moreover, we should effectively force people to give up their children into the care system rather than help them raise them in their own families?

You could write that but it might be easier to put in that childrens allowance going forward is capped at €3-400 a month regardless of the number of children.

Lollipops23

B0jangles wrote: »

Personally, I think it's slightly more productive to help people get out of difficult situations than shove them face down back into them, then berate them for being there in the first place.

They have been helped. They've been helped to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euros.

Cap children's allowance at 3 kids. Nobody should bring kids into the world that they can't support themselves. I'm putting off getting married or starting a family because I can't afford either right now. I will be at some stage, but not right now.

I've always said I don't mind paying taxes, as long as they're spent appropriately. I wonder how many extra nursing shifts/special needs assistants could have been provided over the years if this couple had splashed out on a box of condoms at some point?

B0jangles

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

You could write that but it might be easier to put in that childrens allowance going forward is capped at €3-400 a month regardless of the number of children.

Ah, so the intent remains the same, but you just mask it very slightly, how courageous.

Hey, how about claiming the real intent is to combat childhood obesity? Call it the "How can they get fat when they don't get fed?" campaign, that'd sell really well with the usual crowd here on Boards.

BrokenArrows

Lollipops23 wrote: »

...
I wonder how many extra nursing shifts/special needs assistants could have been provided over the years if this couple had splashed out on a box of condoms at some point?

well 48k would pay for 1-2 people.

McMurphy

People are free to have as many children as they like but should have no reasonable expectation that it's societies responsibility to fund her clown car vagina.

One of the funniest descriptions I've heard on this site, ever.

B0jangles

Lollipops23 wrote: »

They have been helped. They've been helped to the tune of hundreds of thousands of euros.

Cap children's allowance at 3 kids. Nobody should bring kids into the world that they can't support themselves. I'm putting off getting married or starting a family because I can't afford either right now. I will be at some stage, but not right now.

I've always said I don't mind paying taxes, as long as they're spent appropriately. I wonder how many extra nursing shifts/special needs assistants could have been provided over the years if this couple had splashed out on a box of condoms at some point?

I'm not talking about this specific family - they appear to be a perfect storm of tabloid-headline generation. I'm talking about people wanting to re-write economic and social policy for an entire society with the intention of preventing extreme outliers like this family.

You don't write national policy based on the extremes.

Caliden

So let's do the maths here for a minute.

48k which I'm going to assume is 24k each for her and her fella.

If they were to both work they would need to be on €28150 gross each to pull in the same amount.
There are college grads earning less than that and I could be wrong but I think a minimum wage job at 40 hours a week is much less than that.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother working at all.

Wile E. Coyote

B0jangles wrote: »

Hey, how about claiming the real intent is to combat childhood obesity? Call it the "How can they get fat when they don't get fed?" campaign, that'd sell really well with the usual crowd here on Boards.

How about calling it the 'Having some personal responsibility and ensuring you can feed your own kids' campaign? I've no problem with childrens allowance, job seekers benefit or any other form of social welfare to help those when they're struggling. What I do have an issue with is people using it as a longterm lifestyle choice and then moaning and b*tching when they aren't given a free house on top of it.

B0jangles

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

How about calling it the 'Having some personal responsibility and ensuring you can feed your own kids' campaign? I've no problem with childrens allowance, job seekers benefit or any other form of social welfare to help those when they're struggling. What I do have an issue with is people using it as a longterm lifestyle choice and then moaning and b*tching when they aren't given a free house on top of it.

And you think it is a good and moral thing to make children suffer in order to teach adults a lesson?

mfceiling

Who the fcuk said this is a dole bashing thread?

This is a woman who has 8 kids, wants more, can't afford to put a roof over their heads so expects the state to house them and fund them.

How about no. How about you go and buy your own 8 bed house for your family?

Dole bashing me arse....this is a family of spongers who want the tab for their lifestyle choice to be picked up by the rest of us.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

While I'm not a generally in favour of copying everything the UK does in relation to policy, a benefits cap similar to the way theirs works would seem appropriate in Ireland. I know that most people who are on SW want to work, but it is very definitely a lifestyle choice for some who wouldn't have much interest in gainful employment.

The fact that it actually pays these people to reproduce is scandalous (and to be fair, a large proportion of their offspring will continue in the same vein when they grow up).

That couple couldn't afford to get a job, simple as. It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious.

That family whineing about not getting a free gaff on top of everything else is a giant "f*ck you" to the rest of us working hard to try to meet mortgage payments, rent or trying to save a deposit.

Fr_Dougal

Synthol wrote: »

''A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child.

Mother Winnifred Ward told Extra.ie the local council is trying to ‘stop the couple’ having children, and branded the treatment ‘shocking’.

The mother of eight said. ‘I’d like a few more (children) – yeah. Of course I would, I’d like a good few more running around.’

In total, the couple have a weekly income of €923.50, or just over €48,000 a year. Mr Fogarty said it would be argued that the Social Housing Assessment Regulations, which set the threshold, amounted to an unfair and unconstitutional attack on the family unit.''

So this is where 40% of my wage go to, to support breeders on social welfare. I am working my ass off 60 hours per week and this is where all my finances are going. I basically have nothing left at the end of the week due to massive taxation.

This is what's wrong with the country.

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

No, it doesn't, you're not paying 40% of your wages in tax for starters, only a portion of that goes to the DSP, and the pension is the largest expenditure by the DSP, not the dole.

Go tell the HSE to stop keeping people alive so long, the health service and OAP's are the ones feasting on your tax.

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

You don't get any say in where your taxes go. Never have, never will. Get over it. It's not your money once they take it. In fact it is never your money, you just get to rent it for a while after it's printed. If you think people who don't work have it so much better, go and do that then.

The government wastes huge amounts of money in a myriad of ways and will continue to do so as long as we have FF/FG establishment gravy train incompetents in office. We should be doing something to get rid of them if we are unhappy with the status quo.

This woman's fanny can only stretch so far, she's hardly going to sink the country with it.

And posts like this stink to high heavens. There's a sense of entitlement in this country that's getting worse.

Can't afford kids? Don't fvcking have them. Simples.

Widdershins

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

In a proper country both of these wasters would be sent job opportunities from the SW office. Refuse them, allowance cut.
Why doesn't this happen in Ireland?

There used to be a form that was to be signed by employers when they were approached about a job. Some people are very inventive when it comes to making themselves as unemployable as possible. I remember one story in particular: A can of beer soaked into a shirt, shirt worn open to the waist.
You only had to show you'd asked for a job.

Wile E. Coyote

B0jangles wrote: »

And you think it is a good and moral thing to make children suffer in order to teach adults a lesson?

Who said anything about making children suffer? The introduction of a cap on payments wouldn't need to be brought in over night. Why not phase it in over the next few years slowly reducing the amount? Childrens allowance for 8 kids is currently €1,120. Drop it next year to a cap at 7 kids €980, 6 kids the year after etc. If people like this woman want more kids then they need to understand that as parents they are ultimately responsible for clothing, feeding and housing them. They can't continuously rely on the state for their needs.

Barry Badrinath

B0jangles wrote: »

And you think it is a good and moral thing to make children suffer in order to teach adults a lesson?

Well tbh,

I know teenagers and early twenties kids who have been "educated" by their parents as to what they are "entitled" to from the State.

How to exploit the system etc. Do you think that is ok? Should we not teach the adults a lesson whilst also teaching the kids?


What do you think of "lifestyle choice" or "career" welfare recipients?

Do you think it is sustainable and justified?

Do you think a logical cap should be applied?

Has the State got enough money to fund an increase in this activity if others decide to follow suit?

If not, where is the money going to come from?

Is it right that a full time worker earns less money than some "career" welfare recipients.

I have zero problem with people availing of the welfare system in times of need if they have paid into it but it needs to be overhauled.

Similarly, if someone ligitimately cannot work for medical reasons, then they should be provided for.

If you are able bodied, I would introduce a generous 2 year cap on welfare payments. That gives you 2 years to get a job.....2 years. If at that time you have not secured any type of employment then it is likely that you CHOOSE not to work.

Then it should be cut.

red ears

bigpink wrote: »

Travellers im guessing?

Yeah and they don't have a great employment rate. So most of those 8 children wont work and contribute to society. You can bet your local GP or solicitor or successful business person won't be having 8 children.

screamer

B0jangles wrote: »

And you think it is a good and moral thing to make children suffer in order to teach adults a lesson?

So do you think it's a good moral thing to reward lazy adults in order to teach their children a lesson in how to freeload your whole life? Because that's what it is monkey see monkey do.....and the next generation of layabouts is well schooled in the entitlement culture and free for all.

But sure that's fair it's equal. My kids do without because I haven't the means from working my ass off to do everything for them... but their kids have everything because the government provide it.....yes fair very fair....all kids are equal my ass.

Mountainsandh

B0jangles wrote: »

And you think it is a good and moral thing to make children suffer in order to teach adults a lesson?

The reality is that other people's kids suffer because these adults are not being taught the lesson.

Either way, some kids are suffering the consequences of these people's behaviour.

suicide_circus

A welfare system without limits is doomed to failure which will hurt the most vulnerable in the end.

Kivaro

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Honestly, I wish dole bashing threads were just banned on here. They're ridiculously overdone, if you've read one you've read them all, nothing new will ever come out of them.

Ah right, censorship ...........

So I need to update my list of what the Liberals do not want discussed on one of Ireland's largest Internet forums:
Travellers.
The Dole. (We should really be punished because the OP is about the first two).
Immigration.

Stopping the discussion on these and similar topics will not lead to the Liberal utopia of free money for everyone in Ireland .....
I find that those who support this view usually do not work full-time jobs that pays taxes into the system to fund the welfare lifestyles of able-bodied recipients.

Hector Savage

7 Billion people in the world ... like this is sustainable ..