Football Hooligans and their stupid flags.

redcup342

So in Dusseldorf a few weeks ago there were some English lads over for a football game.

I was walking back from the shops and saw a priest trying to take down some flags from their Rectory, some football hooligan meathead watched him for a few minutes then gets up and walks over from the Irish Pub and starts pushing the Priest around the place screaming all sorts of abuse at him.



Anyway the Priest went off pretty rattled and the guy went back with his arms raised to his mates sitting outside the Irish Pub with them all cheering and laughing on his way back.

I went home, thinking it's yet another stupid football hooligan incident and thought that was the end of it.

Reading the news then I saw this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4726758/Aston-Villa-supporters-attacked-Dusseldorf-pub.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQhA21cOCA

Daily Fail is saying it was just out of nowhere and unexpected.

What do you think? Do you think if you go hanging flags in a foreign country on walls all over the place around the bar you are drinking in you are asking for trouble ?

Or is it just an English Problem ?

Edit: It's gotten so bad now that for any big games involving the English, the bars close 30 minutes before the game ends, many of the Cities/Towns around the area completely close up shop as they don't want the hassle.

Dusseldorf is becoming the same because they just don't want to waste the police sitting around watching the English lads.

keeponhurling

Predominantly an English problem, methinks.

hairyslug

There are bogey clubs in every country and bogey fans in most if not every club. There was a friendly a few days ago between an English and German side (can't remember who) and it had to be abandoned, a feckin preseason friendly, German lads throwing seats. I've had hassle at LOI games before, have seen Russians go a bit mental and hassle with French fans.
As for English fans, 2 things happen in think, the media jump on them (rightly so) and there are a lot of them that are easily wound up.

But this is only my opinion and over the last few years, haven't been able to go to to many games

Oranage2

Almost the same thing if you go to a shamrock rovers game, these people are usually not the most intelligent and are out to cause trouble no matter what.

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

Almost the same thing if you go to a shamrock rovers game, these people are usually not the most intelligent and are out to cause trouble no matter what.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What recent shamrock rovers game has been marred by hooligan trouble?
When have shamrock rovers fans been involved in hooliganism abroad?

Are you a bit of a daft c?

Rumpy Pumpy

Spotted the Shamrock Rovers 'ultras' one evening in town before some LoI game. Pitiful sight. Most of them were fat auld fellas wearing Adidas Original runners and parkas. Like a throw back to an Oasis video from the mid-90's.The ones who weren't fat auld fellas were your typical skobie - unusually small head, grey tracksuit, unusually white runners.

RobbieTheRobber

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Spotted the Shamrock Rovers 'ultras' one evening in town before some LoI game. Pitiful sight. Most of them were fat auld fellas wearing Adidas Original runners and parkas. Like a throw back to an Oasis video from the mid-90's.The ones who weren't fat auld fellas were your typical skobie - unusually small head, grey tracksuit, unusually white runners.

Spotted the bohs fan!

Rumpy Pumpy

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Spotted the bohs fan!

I'd rather be experimented on for illegal medical research than go to a League of Ireland game, never mind support one of them. Just telling people what I saw.

The 'ultras' were just fat middle-aged lads and skobies. Chanting and acting like hard shaws. Our very own Danny Dyer types.

RobbieTheRobber

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

I'd rather be experimented on for illegal medical research than go to a League of Ireland game, never mind support one of them. Just telling people what I saw.

The 'ultras' were just fat middle-aged lads and skobies. Chanting and acting like hard shaws. Our very own Danny Dyer types.

Wait a second is your definition of an ultra a person who attends football matches and sings football chants?

I must have missed it in the national media when a group of beer bellied shamrock rovers fans ran riot in the city.

Avada

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Wait a second is your definition of an ultra a person who attends football matches and sings football chants?

I must have missed it in the national media when a group of beer bellied shamrock rovers fans ran riot in the city.

Google is you friend, one of many examples

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/ugly-scenes-shamrock-rovers-and-bohemians-fans-fight-on-pitch-at-dalymount-74675

SEPT 23 1989

Once they are fighting their own kind and not attacking innocent bystanders let them at it

Rumpy Pumpy

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Wait a second is your definition of an ultra a person who attends football matches and sings football chants?

I must have missed it in the national media when a group of beer bellied shamrock rovers fans ran riot in the city.

No, these were their ultra group. Definitely not just regular fans. Didn't really bother checking the news about it, but wouldn't surprise me if these lads were meeting their rivals to throw shapes and act like 'ard men. Real crisis in masculinity sort of stuff.

GLaDOS

I've been attending LOI games for 10 years now and have never once felt in any kind of danger.

Morons will be morons, but it's generally pretty easy to avoid trouble.

RobbieTheRobber

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Spotted the Shamrock Rovers 'ultras' one evening in town before some LoI game. Pitiful sight. Most of them were fat auld fellas wearing Adidas Original runners and parkas. Like a throw back to an Oasis video from the mid-90's.The ones who weren't fat auld fellas were your typical skobie - unusually small head, grey tracksuit, unusually white runners.

Avada wrote: »

Google is you friend, one of many examples

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/ugly-scenes-shamrock-rovers-and-bohemians-fans-fight-on-pitch-at-dalymount-74675

:D:D:D

I cant make out any adidas originals in that clip, ill be honest and seeing as Rumpy Pumpy has said he never attends Loi matches i doubt he was talking about the day some young stupid people invaded a pitch in Dallymount.

He was describing a rampaging pack of Adidas wearing oul fellas wrecking the city. So I'll wait for a sportsjoe.ie link for that :D:D:D:D

Rumpy Pumpy

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

I'd rather be experimented on for illegal medical research than go to a League of Ireland game, never mind support one of them. Just telling people what I saw.

A Liverpool fan, so presuming you don't get to see many games at all.

Anyway, Liverpool FC is a club with it's own place in football violence. Google "Heysel".

Syphonax

Shamrock Rovers 'ultras' pmsl

RobbieTheRobber

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

No, these were their ultra group. Definitely not just regular fans. Didn't really bother checking the news about it, but wouldn't surprise me if these lads were meeting their rivals to throw shapes and act like 'ard men. Real crisis in masculinity sort of stuff.

How do you know they were the "ultra group" ?
How do you know they were rovers fans?
What exactly happened in your riot in the city?

Rumpy Pumpy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A Liverpool fan, so presuming you don't get to see many games at all.

Anyway, Liverpool FC is a club with it's own place in football violence. Google "Heysel".

Absolutely no need to personalise this, Conor. I was just reporting on what I saw. Find it slightly bizarre that you'd go rooting around my posting history, but these early weeks in August can be quiet I suppose.

Wheeliebin30

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/the-ugly-face-of-irish-football

So these aren't rovers fans?

Rumpy Pumpy

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

How do you know they were the "ultra group" ?
How do you know they were rovers fans?
What exactly happened in your riot in the city?

Well they weren't small groups of normal fans. This was a group of about 50-100 fat middle-aged lads and skobies with flags and cans, chanting in the middle of Dublin. It was pitiful stuff, but it takes all sorts to make the world. They definitely weren't the polite sorts who remember playing in Milltown.

Rumpy Pumpy

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Absolutely no need to personalise this, Conor. I was just reporting on what I saw. Find it slightly bizarre that you'd go rooting around my posting history, but these early weeks in August can be quiet I suppose.

A person who sneers at the game here and refers to a foreign club as "we" and "us" is always going to be laughed at. Don't get too sensitive when someone refers to your own support of a team with a very serious history of violence...though you might not see that from your barstool here in Ireland.

seachto7

Irish football hooligans are the most hilarious of the lot.
Used to go to games in Italy around year 2000, and they were ropey enough. Not sure if their fans have a reputation in general when they travel.

RobbieTheRobber

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/the-ugly-face-of-irish-football

So these aren't rovers fans?

I'll be honest that article reads like a joke.
Here is a quote from it

Paul, who makes no effort to hide his face, Ireland is “basically like England in the 1980s”.

PMSL

“The Garda, whose their fu**in’ police innit, three or four of their vans pulled up. No interest in nicking no-one, just straight out with the truncheons and smash, smash, smash.
“It was similar to England on a smaller scale. But the police was a lot naughtier. I wouldn’t say it was the worst beating I’ve ever got from police but it’s in the top fu**ing five. It was a fu**ing laugh.”

:D:D


The bbc documentary crew sound like they instigated the whole thing from reading it.

RobbieTheRobber

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Well they weren't small groups of normal fans. This was a group of about 50-100 fat middle-aged lads and skobies with flags and cans, chanting in the middle of Dublin. It was pitiful stuff, but it takes all sorts to make the world. They definitely weren't the polite sorts who remember playing in Milltown.

Oh the horror, oh how they chanted :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Rumpy Pumpy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A person who sneers at the game here and refers to a foreign club as "we" and "us" is always going to be laughed at. Don't get too sensitive when someone refers to your own support of a team with a very serious history of violence...though you might not see that from your barstool here in Ireland.

Same reason people follow the world rally championship instead of standing in a field in Donegal in February watching some gimp driving a Ford Escort around a bend.

I'm not being sensitive at all. Just find it weird you'd go searching through my posts to see I've a casual interest in the fortunes of Liverpool. More a casual than an ultra.

Anyways, it doesn't appear we have much of a hooligan scene here in Ireland. Plenty of shape throwing and 'tough guy' talk, but no real violence.

I love Sean nos

Getting upset over a piece of cloth. :rolleyes:

Wheeliebin30

Ah come on man there is plenty of links and evidence of rovers fans in violence.

https://youtu.be/I7XwnFpG174

https://youtu.be/2VrL8h0hE48

fizzypish

Was on a train being hassled by a drunk scouse 2 weeks ago. 99.9% of football fans are perfect but to remaining % is so **** that the though of euthanizing all 100% just to get those pieces of **** seems viable.

RobbieTheRobber

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Ah come on man there is plenty of links and evidence of rovers fans in violence.

https://youtu.be/I7XwnFpG174

https://youtu.be/2VrL8h0hE48

Similarly all GAA fans are scum I presume?


http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/video-violent-scenes-as-spectators-join-mass-brawl-at-gaa-match-34226951.html


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rival-football-fans-left-bloodied-10944545

GLaDOS

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Similarly all GAA fans are scum I presume?


http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/video-violent-scenes-as-spectators-join-mass-brawl-at-gaa-match-34226951.html


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rival-football-fans-left-bloodied-10944545

Tbf, the fighting usually happens on the pitch in GAA

RobbieTheRobber

1:08 to 1:12 is my favourite bit of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kEJswEqkEg

A kerry players was struck by a handbag.

Im shocked by the sheer scale of the violence why is this allowed go on!!!

RobbieTheRobber

GLaDOS wrote: »

Tbf, the fighting usually happens on the pitch in GAA

Except when its on the train.

Oranage2

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

Almost the same thing if you go to a shamrock rovers game, these people are usually not the most intelligent and are out to cause trouble no matter what.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What recent shamrock rovers game has been marred by hooligan trouble?
When have shamrock rovers fans been involved in hooliganism abroad?

Are you a bit of a daft c?

It's well known Rovers have a bad reputation, you can see a lot of small scuffles around tallaght village and Sean Walsh park during games against rivals. My mother's friend is afraid to bring her children to games because some area of the stands are shouting profanities and an a general unfriendly atmosphere.

And if you're unable to have a conversation without insults then I guess you're the standard unintelligent LOI football supporter I mentioned in my original post.

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's well known Rovers have a bad reputation, you can see a lot of small scuffles around tallaght village and Sean Walsh park during games against rivals. My mother's friend is afraid to bring her children to games because some area of the stands are shouting profanities and an a general unfriendly atmosphere.

And if you're unable to have a conversation without insults then I guess you're the standard unintelligent LOI football supporter I mentioned in my original post.

:D:D

Now now who is really throwing insults about there pal?
Seems your first recourse is to be a hypocrite. Oranage2 the sophisticate!


Yeah I too live in fear that my child may be struck dead from hearing a profanity spoken at a sports game. :eek:

Mint Sauce

Lol, not every flag waver is a hooligan, nor is every Ultra or Forza, but there is definitely a few dickheads amongst nearly all of them.

As for the Shams fans, nearly anytime time they come to The Showgrounds, home of the real Rovers btw, there is nearly always one or two of them ejected or arrested. Never hear this happening to 'fans' of other clubs, not sure if that is down to travelling in higher numbers so higher chance if incident, or maybe they are genuinely are being a tit.

Fratton Fred

redcup342 wrote: »

So in Dusseldorf a few weeks ago there were some English lads over for a football game.

I was walking back from the shops and saw a priest trying to take down some flags from their Rectory, some football hooligan meathead watched him for a few minutes then gets up and walks over from the Irish Pub and starts pushing the Priest around the place screaming all sorts of abuse at him.



Anyway the Priest went off pretty rattled and the guy went back with his arms raised to his mates sitting outside the Irish Pub with them all cheering and laughing on his way back.

I went home, thinking it's yet another stupid football hooligan incident and thought that was the end of it.

Reading the news then I saw this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4726758/Aston-Villa-supporters-attacked-Dusseldorf-pub.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQhA21cOCA

Daily Fail is saying it was just out of nowhere and unexpected.

What do you think? Do you think if you go hanging flags in a foreign country on walls all over the place around the bar you are drinking in you are asking for trouble ?

Or is it just an English Problem ?

Edit: It's gotten so bad now that for any big games involving the English, the bars close 30 minutes before the game ends, many of the Cities/Towns around the area completely close up shop as they don't want the hassle.

Dusseldorf is becoming the same because they just don't want to waste the police sitting around watching the English lads.

pretty much every news report of that incident seems to claim that it was Dusseldorf fans that attacked Villa fans? Which isn't surpricing, seeing as German fans have a very bed reputation for violence

http://www.dw.com/en/dortmund-fans-attack-leipzig-supporters-ahead-of-tense-match-police/a-37421717

http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/05/burnley-vs-hannover-friendly-called-off-due-to-german-football-fans-violence-6831794/

BillyBobBS

Not big into football but a few years back i was in London on business and Manchester United where playing in a european final against Barcelona i think it was and a few of their "fans" decided to hang banners outside the bars across the road from my hotel whilst they sank pints and sang some pretty embarrassing songs. Some of the stuff on the banners was like something a 15yo scumbag would come up with but these seemed to be groups of grown men. They then decided to attack a group of three Barcelona supporters who walked by one of the bars even though the Spanish fans looked intent on being friendly and taking photos. This all took place at 2pm god knows what state they must have been by the start of the match!!

Beefy78

Bringing your flag over and pinning it all around town and pubs is pretty obnoxious behaviour. Said as an English football fan. It's an attempt at intimidation.

I've only been to one LOI game, a Rovers vs Bohs derby, but it was (for better or worse) like going to an English game in the early 90s. Very loud atmosphere but a genuinely threatening under-current and the Guards were all over everyone on the way out.

Beered-up, loud arseholes aren't exclusive to either country.

uch

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's well known Rovers have a bad reputation, you can see a lot of small scuffles around tallaght village and Sean Walsh park during games against rivals. My mother's friend is afraid to bring her children to games because some area of the stands are shouting profanities and an a general unfriendly atmosphere.

And if you're unable to have a conversation without insults then I guess you're the standard unintelligent LOI football supporter I mentioned in my original post.

I've been bringing my kids to Rovers matches for 20 years and never had any problems, if you are worried about a bit of bad language at a sporting event then perhaps a solo sport such as fishing is more suited. Try standing on Hill 16 at any game, be it Hurling or football and you'll hear some lovely colloquial language, it's live sport, it happens.
As for the daft flags, I have to agree with Beefy, it's just an intimidation tactic and should be banned outside all stadia.

Mint Sauce

uch wrote: »

I've been bringing my kids to Rovers matches for 20 years and never had any problems, if you are worried about a bit of bad language at a sporting event then perhaps a solo sport such as fishing is more suited. Try standing on Hill 16 at any game, be it Hurling or football and you'll hear some lovely colloquial language, it's live sport, it happens.
As for the daft flags, I have to agree with Beefy, it's just an intimidation tactic and should be banned outside all stadia.

Bad language is part of the course at a lot sporting events. But it's the intimidating, and physical behaviour that's on discussion here I thought.

I too have no issue with chants against opposing players or officals, unless it's about Race/Sexuality, etc. But what I don't want is to have abuse hurled at me just because I am wearing an opposing shirt, 'fans' running onto the pitch to hurl abuse, or missels being thrown into the field.

scopper

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Ah come on man there is plenty of links and evidence of rovers fans in violence.

https://youtu.be/I7XwnFpG174

https://youtu.be/2VrL8h0hE48

To be fair that is what, 30-40 people, being generous? I've seen bigger brawls at school discos

Have to say enjoyed the colour and edginess Rovers fans brought to Turners X back in the 00s when I went to a lot of Cork City games. Ended up drinking with their Ultras after an Irish international game. A few months later, was standing outside a pub near the Cross after a Cork City - Rovers game, watching the Gardai trying to corral a group of them. As the bottles flew a few of them spotted me and heard shouts of "howya Conor" from a few of their hardcore and had to laugh.

Oranage2

uch wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's well known Rovers have a bad reputation, you can see a lot of small scuffles around tallaght village and Sean Walsh park during games against rivals. My mother's friend is afraid to bring her children to games because some area of the stands are shouting profanities and an a general unfriendly atmosphere.

And if you're unable to have a conversation without insults then I guess you're the standard unintelligent LOI football supporter I mentioned in my original post.

I've been bringing my kids to Rovers matches for 20 years and never had any problems, if you are worried about a bit of bad language at a sporting event then perhaps a solo sport such as fishing is more suited. Try standing on Hill 16 at any game, be it Hurling or football and you'll hear some lovely colloquial language, it's live sport, it happens.
As for the daft flags, I have to agree with Beefy, it's just an intimidation tactic and should be banned outside all stadia.

And would you bring your kids to to a bohs or pats game?

I've no kids myself but I certainly wouldn't want them to grow up with a yobish mentality that its acceptable to call grown men w*nkers because he may have made a wrong call.

I'm from tallaght myself and I think they should sell the Rovers season tickets at the welfare office, kill two birds with one stone.

Arghus

Because football is the most popular sport in the world it's going to attract a few morons.

SEPT 23 1989

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Not big into football but a few years back i was in London on business and Manchester United where playing in a european final against Barcelona i think it was and a few of their "fans" decided to hang banners outside the bars across the road from my hotel whilst they sank pints and sang some pretty embarrassing songs. Some of the stuff on the banners was like something a 15yo scumbag would come up with but these seemed to be groups of grown men. They then decided to attack a group of three Barcelona supporters who walked by one of the bars even though the Spanish fans looked intent on being friendly and taking photos. This all took place at 2pm god knows what state they must have been by the start of the match!!

Women and kids

It's the united way

testaccount123

Some amount of sad sacks on this thread. Pathetic stuff

AllGunsBlazing

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Lol, not every flag waver is a hooligan, nor is every Ultra or Forza, but there is definitely a few dickheads amongst nearly all of them.

As for the Shams fans, nearly anytime time they come to The Showgrounds, home of the real Rovers btw, there is nearly always one or two of them ejected or arrested. Never hear this happening to 'fans' of other clubs, not sure if that is down to travelling in higher numbers so higher chance if incident, or maybe they are genuinely are being a tit.

In absolute fairness we've had a few young ones showing up at The Showgrounds (or sneaking in to be more accurate) who were intent on nothing else but acting the maggot. This was mostly around the time when we were challenging for titles a few years back. Ironically it's much quieter now that we're struggling...

testaccount123

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

In absolute fairness we've had a few young ones showing up at The Showgrounds (or sneaking in to be more accurate) who were intent on nothing else but acting the maggot. This was mostly around the time when we were challenging for titles a few years back. Ironically it's much quieter now that we're struggling...

Jesus its a reasonable Sligo Rovers fan on the internet, Im amazed!

Mint Sauce

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

In absolute fairness we've had a few young ones showing up at The Showgrounds (or sneaking in to be more accurate) who were intent on nothing else but acting the maggot. This was mostly around the time when we were challenging for titles a few years back. Ironically it's much quieter now that we're struggling...

I have heard of young ones attacking opposing buses a couple of times, usally quite away from the ground, as far as the junction of the Releif Road and Summerhill Roundabout at the start of the N4 dual carriageway, about a five minute walk from the ground, for anyone who does not know the area. This too a few years back. Was argued, possibly by the Guards or S(ligo)RFC that they were not in attendence at the match.

Omackeral

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's well known Rovers have a bad reputation, you can see a lot of small scuffles around tallaght village and Sean Walsh park during games against rivals. My mother's friend is afraid to bring her children to games because some area of the stands are shouting profanities and an a general unfriendly atmosphere.

And if you're unable to have a conversation without insults then I guess you're the standard unintelligent LOI football supporter I mentioned in my original post.

Oh no bad language at a game. Don't go to a match in England so, it happens there too. As for your ''standard unintelligent LOI football supporter'', you best include Uachtaran na hEireann Michael D. Higgins in that as he's as staunch as a supporter as you can find. Honorary president of Galway United and can be spotted at at any given LOI ground around the country on any given weekend.

Not gonna shred people to hard on this as it's seemingly a common misconception but Ultra does not equal hooligan. Ultras are the ones that make banners, bring the flares and generate the noise and colour in the stadiums. They make great displays and are the lifeblood of their clubs in many ways. Most people lazily just think Ultra means hooligan because they simply don't go to football week in and week out.

PS I f*cking hate Shamrock Rovers myself but I respect their dedicated fans more than some bloke who has deluded himself into thinking he's a Scouser or a Manc.

tomofson

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Spotted the Shamrock Rovers 'ultras' one evening in town before some LoI game. Pitiful sight. Most of them were fat auld fellas wearing Adidas Original runners and parkas. Like a throw back to an Oasis video from the mid-90's.The ones who weren't fat auld fellas were your typical skobie - unusually small head, grey tracksuit, unusually white runners.

Where does the stereotype of an "underclass" person having an "unusually small head" come from? Do people actually look at others and measure the size of their heads in their own minds?