Rule Breakages

Digital Solitude

Basically, the original draft of the roles had a line stating there were 11 human beings or whatever. The PMs were written with that in mind.

As the rules were worked upon, roles edited and other factors, that line was removed from the OP, none of us noticed. I wouldn't have even thought it an issue, no one in the game questioned the number of NRVs.

A few players confirmed they were Human Beings, which isn't a role. Given 11 people were Human Beings, once it was pointed out it was immediately obvious that that person was an NRV. Wolves and roled Goodies didn't know the Human Beings existed, so anyone confused had a role.

So 4 NRVs were confirmed and what, 2 roled players were confirmed as roled to wolves.



The Ass Crack Bandit had his powers removed during the game, this was for two reasons.

The first being the missed vote D1. Drumpot is contesting that this was accidental, and I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm not accusing you Drumpot, just putting it out there. We felt it may have been tactical.

The second was the troll discussion, we felt that the rule was being ignored and action needed to be taken. It probably would have been a warning, but posts like this are clearly trying to circumvent the rule.

We didn't want to be heavy handed with the wording or enforment of rules, but I feel entirely justified in the decisions we have made.

Thanks for reading, and feel free to PM if you would like to discuss this privately.

Lord TSC

I'm sorry if revealing as Troy kind of messed with the troll rules. I spotted that was going to be an issue when i got Troy, because announcing my role was always going to end the doll with me the next morning i wasn't deliberately trying to bypass the rule, but I felt I had to come out as Troy last night if the wolves knew, and role reveals obviously weren't against rules. it just meant it was impossible not to simultaneously ask for the doll

Drumpot

Digi,

You killed my character for what I consider minor infractions that genuinely weren't intentionally meant to disrupt or spoil the game.

Why didn't you at least PM me about the vote ? Why didn't you at least PM me while you were discussing what to do to at least see if we could figure something out, to see if I was intentionally trying to spoil the game ?

I was posting around the vote I missed and made it clear why I didn't vote. I was busy engaging the villagers, revealing my role because I genuinely thought I was going to be lynched. As I understand it, part of the "every villager must vote" rule is there to make sure people stay involved. I don't think I could of been more involved or invested in the game if I tried. So I feel this recorded infraction for this very harsh. Especially as I see many posters do not seem to of been given infractions for low posting.

With regards to the doll thing, I didn't think there was any problem at all with it until several hours later when you brought it up. Considering some of the ambiguity surrounding game rules, I felt I was just trying to come up with a strategy. I asked the village what if "X" before I even went ahead with it. Other villagers were saying stuff like "if u have the doll come out", so I assumed it should be fine.

You invested alot of time in the game and for that I don't like making an issue out of this but Like I said on PM, I think you guys got this completely wrong and went way over the top. You killed a character I spent 2 days building up and might aswell as just kill me off. I invested a lot of time into the character and didn't see where I could take it once you said I was now an NRV. I reflected on it over night, before making any rash decisions. I gave you plenty of options on how we could sort this out and on how I would work with you to get my character removed from the game in a way that might at least not require this public post, but you said be NRV or leave.


I have been at a family function all day and tried to put the odd post in to keep involved in the hope that maybe I might get a taste for the game again later. However, this post does it for me. I think at this stage, this has taken its course and my character should be removed from the game . . .

Triceratops Ballet

Drumpot wrote: »

Digi,

You killed my character for what I consider minor infractions that genuinely weren't intentionally meant to disrupt or spoil the game.

Why didn't you at least PM me about the vote ? Why didn't you at least PM me while you were discussing what to do to at least see if we could figure something out, to see if I was intentionally trying to spoil the game ?

I was posting around the vote I missed and made it clear why I didn't vote. I was busy engaging the villagers, revealing my role because I genuinely thought I was going to be lynched. As I understand it, part of the "every villager must vote" rule is there to make sure people stay involved. I don't think I could of been more involved or invested in the game if I tried. So I feel this recorded infraction for this very harsh. Especially as I see many posters do not seem to of been given infractions for low posting.

With regards to the doll thing, I didn't think there was any problem at all with it until several hours later when you brought it up. Considering some of the ambiguity surrounding game rules, I felt I was just trying to come up with a strategy. I asked the village what if "X" before I even went ahead with it. Other villagers were saying stuff like "if u have the doll come out", so I assumed it should be fine.

You invested alot of time in the game and for that I don't like making an issue out of this but Like I said on PM, I think you guys got this completely wrong and went way over the top. You killed a character I spent 2 days building up and might aswell as just kill me off. I invested a lot of time into the character and didn't see where I could take it once you said I was now an NRV. I reflected on it over night, before making any rash decisions. I gave you plenty of options on how we could sort this out and on how I would work with you to get my character removed from the game in a way that might at least not require this public post, but you said be NRV or leave.


I have been at a family function all day and tried to put the odd post in to keep involved in the hope that maybe I might get a taste for the game again later. However, this post does it for me. I think at this stage, this has taken its course and my character should be removed from the game . . .

Drumpot the rules are there in black and white and to be perfectly honest this bs of oh I didn't think the rules applied is just that F-ing BS.

I don't give a sh1t what you said on thread about not voting, you offered no explanation to the mods why you didn't vote.

You can consider them, minor infractions all you want but the rules are there in black and white. We didn't spend hours writing them so people could make up their own interpretations and apply them as they fancy. The rules are the rules and they exist to govern the game.

What's the thought process behind banning the talk on the doll?

Drumpot

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Drumpot the rules are there in black and white and to be perfectly honest this bs of oh I didn't think the rules applied is just that F-ing BS.

I don't give a sh1t what you said on thread about not voting, you offered no explanation to the mods why you didn't vote.

You can consider them, minor infractions all you want but the rules are there in black and white. We didn't spend hours writing them so people could make up their own interpretations and apply them as they fancy. The rules are the rules and they exist to govern the game.

You need to take it easy there chief. I told you exactly why I missed that vote:

"I was multi tasking trying to get the village to give me a target.". I sent this to the WW account that reason.

I got no response, no "can you elaborate" so assumed we were fine.

Triceratops Ballet

Drumpot wrote: »

You need to take it easy there chief. I told you exactly why I missed that vote:

"I was multi tasking trying to get the village to give me a target.". I sent the WW account that reason.

I got no response, no "can you elaborate" so assumed we were fine.

Yeah that's not a real reason, a real reason is like I'm stuck at work and I can't get online. I'm sick in bed blah blah blah. I can't decide who to vote on and the village isn't doing what I want them to is not a valid reason to miss a vote.

Drumpot

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Yeah that's not a real reason, a real reason is like I'm stuck at work and I can't get online. I'm sick in bed blah blah blah. I can't decide who to vote on and the village isn't doing what I want them to is not a valid reason to miss a vote.

Seriously? .... Good luck with that ....

Triceratops Ballet

Drumpot wrote: »

Seriously? .... Good luck with that ....

yes seriously!

well sure then why not let the wolves delay their kills every day until the priest or someone cool comes out, sure "I can't get the seer to come out so I can kill them so I'm gonna hold off on my munch order until I can get my way"

Drumpot

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

yes seriously!

well sure then why not let the wolves delay their kills every day until the priest or someone cool comes out, sure "I can't get the seer to come out so I can kill them so I'm gonna hold off on my munch order until I can get my way"

You are over thinking this and making Massive leaps. Nobody knew who voted for who. I was a goody. What benefit did I get by not voting?

You say that if there is a good reason not to vote it's ok, but dismiss my reason (my head was spinning at vote time cause I thought I was about to be lynched)..

No point in going round in circles and wasting anymore time.

I am sorry the game ended and your time was wasted.

Ewan WW

The rules clearly stated that missing a vote was punishable by losing your next vote. No other sanction was mentioned so why it's being made a big deal of I don't know.
Derry contributed massively to the game and if he are gonna point out issues why not point out those that sign up and don't bother to even play.
The doll was badly conceived and the idea that a game mechanic cannot be discussed or that people cannot role claim is illogical and unworkable I said as much in a discussion thread before.

Adding pointless flavour was the least of this games issues, as myself andy and forty all pointed out in the role reveal thread you cannot create a special class for nrv's they need to be nrv's so that cannot be individually identified. But the most damaging thing for the game was the lack of vote reveals, the mods them selves are saying that derry's lack of a first vote might have been tatical but if so how because there was no vote reveal and therefore no way of knowing who he did or did not vote for. The whole point of werewolf is that the nrv's are annonomous and that the wolves must vote with discretion to avoid later repercussions.

Ectoplasm

With the greatest of respect, if people had actually read and followed the rules, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't really want to get into what was wrong with the game from each individuals perspective.

The_Valeyard

I think we should at least be civil here..... We will probably be all playing again at some stage in the future.

Maybe we should look at a common set of rules that are standard for each game, that never change. Each new game is built around that, but can add extra game rules for that part version, but do not override the common rules. Example rule 1-3.

Ectoplasm

I'm all for civility Vale, and my post in the other thread was pretty darn civil but it is really, really frustrating to have people break a game by breaking rules and then pretty much say "Hey, it's your fault mods, because the game was breakable if we broke the rules."

sullivlo

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think we should at least be civil here..... We will probably be all playing again at some stage in the future.

Maybe we should look at a common set of rules that are standard for each game, that never change. Each new game is built around that, but can add extra game rules for that part version, but do not override the common rules.

A common rule has been, IIRC, do not discuss the content of PMs. When I had a question about me discussing the doll (in the context of my role as Pierce, and how I could potentially use it for my benefit), I sent a PM to the mods about it for clarification.

I could be wrong though about not posting PMs.

But I think that there's still going to be incidents of rule breaking. Regardless. Whether accidental or semi-intentionally. What needs to be discussed is the potential fallout of rule breaking; whether there will be sanctions. And if there are sanctions, what should they be that incentivise not rule breaking, without driving players away.

The_Valeyard

Ectoplasm wrote: »

I'm all for civility Vale, and my post in the other thread was pretty darn civil but it is really, really frustrating to have people break a game by breaking rules and then pretty much say "Hey, it's your fault mods, because the game was breakable if we broke the rules."

Completely understand that. I hadn't realised game was broke until it was spelled out for me. But the mods do have a right to be pissed of all that hard work now gone. But people turning on each other is not a solution either. We are grown adults and can reach an agreement as such. I hope.

The_Valeyard

sullivlo wrote: »

A common rule has been, IIRC, do not discuss the content of PMs. When I had a question about me discussing the doll (in the context of my role as Pierce, and how I could potentially use it for my benefit), I sent a PM to the mods about it for clarification.

I could be wrong though about not posting PMs.

But I think that there's still going to be incidents of rule breaking. Regardless. Whether accidental or semi-intentionally. What needs to be discussed is the potential fallout of rule breaking; whether there will be sanctions. And if there are sanctions, what should they be that incentivise not rule breaking, without driving players away.

I don't see what else you could have done other than PM the game mod for clarification. It was the right call.

We could create 'fallout rules' a series of consequences for infractions.

Example using the wrong account, (guilty) could result in that player muted for 24hours.

Failing to vote twice gets you lyched.

That kind of thing. We could create a sticky of set consequences and procedures if broken.

Uriel.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think we should at least be civil here..... We will probably be all playing again at some stage in the future.

Maybe we should look at a common set of rules that are standard for each game, that never change. Each new game is built around that, but can add extra game rules for that part version, but do not override the common rules. Example rule 1-3.

The rule that broke this game has been a common feature of all games.... Probably since the very beginning.

**** unfortunately happens sometimes and if you have knowledge of problem and know that it could kill the game (and this was pretty obvious game breaking stuff) you have a duty to inform the Mods to see if it can be fixed.

To give an example, in the last game I was accidentally given permissions to all the backrooms. As soon as I saw this I pmed the Mods and logged out until the Mods fixed it. It happened a second time. Again I pmed the mods and it was eventually resolved.

I could easily have rifled through the rooms and said nothing and took it as the Mods messed up, not me. But what is the point? Are we here to play and have fun or are we here to win at all costs.

I appreciate that my example is a slightly different scenario to what happened in this game but the principle in my eyes is if you see an issue that is easily discerned as being fatal to a fair game then you inform the Mods offline and allow them to decide how manage the situation.

The_Valeyard

Uriel. wrote: »

The rule that broke this game has been a common feature of all games.... Probably since the very beginning.

**** unfortunately happens sometimes and if you have knowledge of problem and know that it could kill the game (and this was pretty obvious game breaking stuff) you have a duty to inform the Mods to see if it can be fixed.

To give an example, in the last game I was accidentally given permissions to all the backrooms. As soon as I saw this I pmed the Mods and logged out until the Mods fixed it. It happened a second time. Again I pmed the mods and it was eventually resolved.

I could easily have rifled through the rooms and said nothing and took it as the Mods messed up, not me. But what is the point? Are we here to play and have fun or are we here to win at all costs.

I appreciate that my example is a slightly different scenario to what happened in this game but the principle in my eyes is if you see an issue that is easily discerned as being fatal to a fair game then you inform the Mods offline and allow them to decide how manage the situation.

We could create a 'time out clause'

If a player has an issue could they not post 'TIME OUT' which would pause the game and PM the mods to get a solution so we can go back killing each other.

Digital Solitude

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What's the thought process behind banning the talk on the doll?

We didn't want Troy coming out D1 to ensure there was a reasonable chance Pierce could end up on the wolf team.

Why would we have bothered including Troy and Pierce otherwise?

After Jessica came out D1 last game to beat Kilgrave, we wanted to avoid a similar situation to allow eventualities to play out.

It was discouraged and no banned from the start because if the doll was still floating about around D3 or D4, that would have been a reasonable time for Troy to come out imo. Which is why I didn't want Lord pulled up for coming out, I felt that in the context of the game, it was a reasonable decision to make at the time.

Baggly

The_Valeyard wrote:

If a player has an issue could they not post 'TIME OUT' which would pause the game and PM the mods to get a solution so we can go back killing each other.

That's limited like. The mods asked today for people to stop posting and yet posts continued. When a couple of posts can break a game, if the time out isn't immediately adhered to the damage can be done before a solution can be found.

Sorry for your troubles on this one mods. Game was a good one. Pity about the issues that came up.

Baggly

Sorry vale don't want to be negative only. I think we can pull this together as a group, but we really all need to keep in mind why we play and let that guide how we play.

There is no money at stake. There's no medals. I'm here to have fun. So finding a game break or pointing it out if I did just doesn't make sense to me.

That being said, I notice I can't post on the game thread, so good to see my posting in the non anon accounts is now sorted 

The_Valeyard

Pter wrote: »

Sorry vale don't want to be negative only. I think we can pull this together as a group, but we really all need to keep in mind why we play and let that guide how we play.

There is no money at stake. There's no medals. I'm here to have fun. So finding a game break or pointing it out if I did just doesn't make sense to me.

That being said, I notice I can't post on the game thread, so good to see my posting in the non anon accounts is now sorted 

Hey dude. No worries. I'm only throwing ideas out there.

tritium

Uriel. wrote: »

The rule that broke this game has been a common feature of all games.... Probably since the very beginning.

**** unfortunately happens sometimes and if you have knowledge of problem and know that it could kill the game (and this was pretty obvious game breaking stuff) you have a duty to inform the Mods to see if it can be fixed.

To give an example, in the last game I was accidentally given permissions to all the backrooms. As soon as I saw this I pmed the Mods and logged out until the Mods fixed it. It happened a second time. Again I pmed the mods and it was eventually resolved.

I could easily have rifled through the rooms and said nothing and took it as the Mods messed up, not me. But what is the point? Are we here to play and have fun or are we here to win at all costs.

I appreciate that my example is a slightly different scenario to what happened in this game but the principle in my eyes is if you see an issue that is easily discerned as being fatal to a fair game then you inform the Mods offline and allow them to decide how manage the situation.

This exactly^^^^

Drumpot

Uriel. wrote: »

The rule that broke this game has been a common feature of all games.... Probably since the very beginning.

**** unfortunately happens sometimes and if you have knowledge of problem and know that it could kill the game (and this was pretty obvious game breaking stuff) you have a duty to inform the Mods to see if it can be fixed.

To give an example, in the last game I was accidentally given permissions to all the backrooms. As soon as I saw this I pmed the Mods and logged out until the Mods fixed it. It happened a second time. Again I pmed the mods and it was eventually resolved.

I could easily have rifled through the rooms and said nothing and took it as the Mods messed up, not me. But what is the point? Are we here to play and have fun or are we here to win at all costs.

I appreciate that my example is a slightly different scenario to what happened in this game but the principle in my eyes is if you see an issue that is easily discerned as being fatal to a fair game then you inform the Mods offline and allow them to decide how manage the situation.

I could see SK forum when I started and pointed it out to mods. I don't see the point in cheating. Must admit though I was tempted!

sullivlo

Uriel. wrote: »

The rule that broke this game has been a common feature of all games.... Probably since the very beginning.

**** unfortunately happens sometimes and if you have knowledge of problem and know that it could kill the game (and this was pretty obvious game breaking stuff) you have a duty to inform the Mods to see if it can be fixed.

To give an example, in the last game I was accidentally given permissions to all the backrooms. As soon as I saw this I pmed the Mods and logged out until the Mods fixed it. It happened a second time. Again I pmed the mods and it was eventually resolved.

I could easily have rifled through the rooms and said nothing and took it as the Mods messed up, not me. But what is the point? Are we here to play and have fun or are we here to win at all costs.

I appreciate that my example is a slightly different scenario to what happened in this game but the principle in my eyes is if you see an issue that is easily discerned as being fatal to a fair game then you inform the Mods offline and allow them to decide how manage the situation.

I think it falls under "don't be a dick" rule. Similarly in a previous game I noticed (as a boards mod) that some game posts had been deleted. The posts were about me and painting me as a wolf (which I was), but I felt that the spirit of the game should have been maintained so I sent a message to the mods for them to make the call out of fairness.

I think, IMO, if a player notices a discrepancy in the rules or potential game breaking activity that they should tell the mods and let them make the call. For example, had I picked up on the human thing I would have PM'd the mods to see if it was okay to discuss on thread, rather than skirt around the issue and try to bend the rules.

Digital Solitude

Drumpot wrote: »

Digi,

You killed my character for what I consider minor infractions that genuinely weren't intentionally meant to disrupt or spoil the game.

Why didn't you at least PM me about the vote ? Why didn't you at least PM me while you were discussing what to do to at least see if we could figure something out, to see if I was intentionally trying to spoil the game ?

Your constant references to your role being there to cause mayhem spoke volumes to me. The rule was pretty crystal clear and you deliberately ignored that. As I quoted above, "nothing wrong with Troy saying hi" is clearly aiming for a loophole.

I was posting around the vote I missed and made it clear why I didn't vote. I was busy engaging the villagers, revealing my role because I genuinely thought I was going to be lynched. As I understand it, part of the "every villager must vote" rule is there to make sure people stay involved. I don't think I could of been more involved or invested in the game if I tried. So I feel this recorded infraction for this very harsh. Especially as I see many posters do not seem to of been given infractions for low posting.

You purposely didn't vote, clear violation of a rule. The rule was there to keep people involved, as was the posting one. Voting has always been a bare minimum requirement for playing. We don't know if the other missed votes were deliberate, we know yours was. It was a strike, its not the sole reason you were stripped of your power, and is much smaller than the other reason.

With regards to the doll thing, I didn't think there was any problem at all with it until several hours later when you brought it up. Considering some of the ambiguity surrounding game rules, I felt I was just trying to come up with a strategy. I asked the village what if "X" before I even went ahead with it. Other villagers were saying stuff like "if u have the doll come out", so I assumed it should be fine.

You invested alot of time in the game and for that I don't like making an issue out of this but Like I said on PM, I think you guys got this completely wrong and went way over the top. You killed a character I spent 2 days building up and might aswell as just kill me off. I invested a lot of time into the character and didn't see where I could take it once you said I was now an NRV. I reflected on it over night, before making any rash decisions. I gave you plenty of options on how we could sort this out and on how I would work with you to get my character removed from the game in a way that might at least not require this public post, but you said be NRV or leave.

It wasn't negotiable from my point of view anyways. Maybe we did go over the top, I'll hold my hands up and say we might have been too harsh, but I think it was the right decision at the time and I stand by it. I will apologize for how I phrased my message earlier, it wasn't meant to be "NRV or feck off", more than I understood where you were coming from and if you wanted to leave the game I wouldn't be holding it against you. So I am sorry for that, and the time you feel you have wasted, if you'll accept it.

I have been at a family function all day and tried to put the odd post in to keep involved in the hope that maybe I might get a taste for the game again later. However, this post does it for me. I think at this stage, this has taken its course and my character should be removed from the game . . .

Thank you for remaining in the game despite your annoyance, most wouldn't. While I said some **** in the backrooms, I had been drinking. I'm not annoyed with you at this stage, I have accepted that you weren't intentionally trying to ruin the game, but I still feel you were purposely shooting for loopholes and deserved to be pulled up.

As you've already said, there's no need to keep going round in circles, and I know we won't agree on this, but I hope the air can be cleared and the situation put behind us and moved on from.

And I do hope you aren't put off Werewolf/Mafia due to this, the last thing I want to do is put anyone off the game.

Guys, what brought us all together in the first place? Do you remember? It was a random post by jayop in AH "hey, who wants to play some weird game called werewolf?"

I didn't even play that game but I watched. It was confusing, you got to kill people, it made me laugh, I was shocked. IT WAS FUN! I was hooked.

Does any of that sound familiar? I think it does. Otherwise, there wouldn't be the change of plans setup, monthly games, our own forum here with special privileges no other members seem to have. We are invested in this game. Why? Because we're having fun.

Or that's what we should be doing.

I'm no good at coming up with a theme or modding and I'm a pretty crap player lol. I understand that a serious amount of commitment goes into planning and running a game. Look at the threads months before someone takes up the mod role and how excited they are about their game. I'm excited for them and my commitment, should I sign up, is to post as often as I can, play fair and have a laugh with my buddy's (then kill them).

I'm sorry I know I'm rambling.

The first anon game we played on CoP I noticed a glitch. A big glitch tbh. Few hours into the game and I had 2 wolves I was on team good. I double checked my suspicions and thought about it for another 10 or so minutes. This info could win the game for the village if I sit on it and try and get some doubts going on them. But I will have done f all sleuthing to find these 2 wolves. Nah, the guys have worked so hard setting all this up for me to not tell them. Looks like this will be a good game for everyone. I'll send em a message, pull out of the game for the sake of everyone.

And that's what I did. That's how invested I am in us and our game. I'm not in it to win it if winning isn't fun.

On phone, dunno what crap I've written above but it's from my heart to all of you, my weird werewolf buddy's. Remember why we came here. Remember fun x

sullivlo

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Guys, what brought us all together in the first place? Do you remember? It was a random post by jayop in AH "hey, who wants to play some weird game called werewolf?"

I didn't even play that game but I watched. It was confusing, you got to kill people, it made me laugh, I was shocked. IT WAS FUN! I was hooked.

Does any of that sound familiar? I think it does. Otherwise, there wouldn't be the change of plans setup, monthly games, our own forum here with special privileges no other members seem to have. We are invested in this game. Why? Because we're having fun.

Or that's what we should be doing.

I'm no good at coming up with a theme or modding and I'm a pretty crap player lol. I understand that a serious amount of commitment goes into planning and running a game. Look at the threads months before someone takes up the mod role and how excited they are about their game. I'm excited for them and my commitment, should I sign up, is to post as often as I can, play fair and have a laugh with my buddy's (then kill them).

I'm sorry I know I'm rambling.

The first anon game we played on CoP I noticed a glitch. A big glitch tbh. Few hours into the game and I had 2 wolves I was on team good. I double checked my suspicions and thought about it for another 10 or so minutes. This info could win the game for the village if I sit on it and try and get some doubts going on them. But I will have done f all sleuthing to find these 2 wolves. Nah, the guys have worked so hard setting all this up for me to not tell them. Looks like this will be a good game for everyone. I'll send em a message, pull out of the game for the sake of everyone.

And that's what I did. That's how invested I am in us and our game. I'm not in it to win it if winning isn't fun.

On phone, dunno what crap I've written above but it's from my heart to all of you, my weird werewolf buddy's. Remember why we came here. Remember fun x

You're committed to the cause. Driving up to a club and asking bouncers about road traffic accidents...

Drumpot

Digi,

I have nothing against you or the mods. I feel really sorry for you guys and wish I hadn't been a problem.

My problem is that I get too into this game and didn't stop to consider that I was spoiling the game.

Uriel.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Guys, what brought us all together in the first place? Do you remember? It was a random post by jayop in AH "hey, who wants to play some weird game called werewolf?"

I didn't even play that game but I watched. It was confusing, you got to kill people, it made me laugh, I was shocked. IT WAS FUN! I was hooked.

Does any of that sound familiar? I think it does. Otherwise, there wouldn't be the change of plans setup, monthly games, our own forum here with special privileges no other members seem to have. We are invested in this game. Why? Because we're having fun.

Or that's what we should be doing.

I'm no good at coming up with a theme or modding and I'm a pretty crap player lol. I understand that a serious amount of commitment goes into planning and running a game. Look at the threads months before someone takes up the mod role and how excited they are about their game. I'm excited for them and my commitment, should I sign up, is to post as often as I can, play fair and have a laugh with my buddy's (then kill them).

I'm sorry I know I'm rambling.

The first anon game we played on CoP I noticed a glitch. A big glitch tbh. Few hours into the game and I had 2 wolves I was on team good. I double checked my suspicions and thought about it for another 10 or so minutes. This info could win the game for the village if I sit on it and try and get some doubts going on them. But I will have done f all sleuthing to find these 2 wolves. Nah, the guys have worked so hard setting all this up for me to not tell them. Looks like this will be a good game for everyone. I'll send em a message, pull out of the game for the sake of everyone.

And that's what I did. That's how invested I am in us and our game. I'm not in it to win it if winning isn't fun.

On phone, dunno what crap I've written above but it's from my heart to all of you, my weird werewolf buddy's. Remember why we came here. Remember fun x

so emotional... it must be cause little strawberry.... :D

Uriel.

Uriel. wrote: »

so emotional... it must be cause little strawberry.... :D

The hormones!

Did you eat my gherkin and marmalade sandwich?

Triceratops Ballet

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The hormones!

Did you eat my gherkin and marmalade sandwich?

that sounds kinda nice!

Baggly

Strawbs for prez!

Uriel.

Pter wrote: »

Strawbs for prez!

Strawbs for Queen
Mini Strawbs for Prince(ss)

Uriel.

Tigger

sullivlo wrote: »

I think it falls under "don't be a dick" rule. Similarly in a previous game I noticed (as a boards mod) that some game posts had been deleted. The posts were about me and painting me as a wolf (which I was), but I felt that the spirit of the game should have been maintained so I sent a message to the mods for them to make the call out of fairness.

I think, IMO, if a player notices a discrepancy in the rules or potential game breaking activity that they should tell the mods and let them make the call. For example, had I picked up on the human thing I would have PM'd the mods to see if it was okay to discuss on thread, rather than skirt around the issue and try to bend the rules.

I pled the mods on other issues they didn't answer and I used read receipts so I saw when the read them
My biggest issue with seeing the human posts was that it changed how I was reading the game completely and I couldn't take it back so I outed it on thread
So the wolves wouldn't be at a massive disadvantage.
People started running around saying things and straightaway I was getting role reveals left right and centre
I never thought it would lead to the game ending

Anyway I said it in the other place I'll be strictly invite only from now on if you run a game and you want me in then send me a pm
If you don't then don't
simples

Sorry to the mods for how it turned out I thought that I was being honest in pointing out stuff
Turns out I rolled a snowball down a hill

Digital Solitude

Ewan WW wrote: »

The rules clearly stated that missing a vote was punishable by losing your next vote. No other sanction was mentioned so why it's being made a big deal of I don't know.
Derry contributed massively to the game and if he are gonna point out issues why not point out those that sign up and don't bother to even play.
The doll was badly conceived and the idea that a game mechanic cannot be discussed or that people cannot role claim is illogical and unworkable I said as much in a discussion thread before.

Adding pointless flavour was the least of this games issues, as myself andy and forty all pointed out in the role reveal thread you cannot create a special class for nrv's they need to be nrv's so that cannot be individually identified. But the most damaging thing for the game was the lack of vote reveals, the mods them selves are saying that derry's lack of a first vote might have been tatical but if so how because there was no vote reveal and therefore no way of knowing who he did or did not vote for. The whole point of werewolf is that the nrv's are annonomous and that the wolves must vote with discretion to avoid later repercussions.

Despite you clearly thinking so, you're not always right Tigger. Derry showed up and played as much as he wanted, which is what he signed up to do. I'm grateful he stuck with it after feeling hard done by.

Role claiming wasn't banned. I've explained why the troll rule was phrased the way it was.

There was no special NRV class. I've said already that Human Beings were supposed to be mentioned in the OP, and were left out on a mistake. Its even in the first post in this thread, which is the second time I said it.

And the votes were coming. I didn't want to hide the votes at all, but all lynch votes would have been posted once Jeff lost his power.

You can assume all you want about the rules and the mistakes we have made, but most of what we did had good reason and game design. Not flavour, but design around it.

You may not agree with how we designed the game, and that's fine, design your own one differently but its very rich to wreck a game, and not for the first time either, and then saunter in here and try to tell us we don't know what we're doing.

You don't seem to give a **** at the end of the day, even after I asked people to stop posting, you had to come back to actually threaten a player. Knowing how you've reacted to people in the past, it didn't look like a joke to me. Just a complete disregard for other people to do what you like.

Tigger

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Despite you clearly thinking so, you're not always right Tigger. Derry showed up and played as much as he wanted, which is what he signed up to do. I'm grateful he stuck with it after feeling hard done by.

Role claiming wasn't banned. I've explained why the troll rule was phrased the way it was.

There was no special NRV class. I've said already that Human Beings were supposed to be mentioned in the OP, and were left out on a mistake. Its even in the first post in this thread, which is the second time I said it.

And the votes were coming. I didn't want to hide the votes at all, but all lynch votes would have been posted once Jeff lost his power.

You can assume all you want about the rules and the mistakes we have made, but most of what we did had good reason and game design. Not flavour, but design around it.

You may not agree with how we designed the game, and that's fine, design your own one differently but its very rich to wreck a game, and not for the first time either, and then saunter in here and try to tell us we don't know what we're doing.

You don't seem to give a **** at the end of the day, even after I asked people to stop posting, you had to come back to actually threaten a player. Knowing how you've reacted to people in the past, it didn't look like a joke to me. Just a complete disregard for other people to do what you like.

Who did I threaten ?

Digital Solitude

Tigger wrote: »

Who did I threaten ?

Isla I believe, "say that to my face". You've threatened people before in games, don't pretend it was anything else.

Baggly

Digital Solitude wrote:

Isla I believe, "say that to my face". You've threatened people before in games, don't pretend it was anything else.

Something similar was just said to Mick on cop

Tigger

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Isla I believe, "say that to my face". You've threatened people before in games, don't pretend it was anything else.

Say it to my face isn't a threat

Tigger

Pter wrote: »

Something similar was just said to Mick on cop

Isla is mick

Baggly

Tigger wrote:

Isla is mick

Derp

Triceratops Ballet

Tigger wrote: »

Say it to my face isn't a threat

it might not be a threat, but it is threatening

Tigger

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

it might not be a threat, but it is threatening

He's throwing all sorts of stuff at me
He's done it before but deleted it but I've no intention of ever being in a room with someone that feels the way he does about me so it's a non-issue really
Sure I told the pizza wrapper guy I was gonna seduce his wife an I hardly ment that either
It's rhetoric it might be crude but it's not real
If I was gonna hurt someone I wouldn't talk about it online I'm not new

Uriel.

Pter wrote: »

Derp

Digital Solitude

Jesus like, you got outraged over the cheating and said "If you do it I'll do it too" basically, why? Because we didn't react quick enough? I didn't even know what you were on about until after 6, I thought you were giving out about them role claiming NRV.

You acted like an absolute arsehole today, and haven't a leg to stand on as far as I'm concerned.

I seriously cannot grasp where you spotting a cheat, and then deciding cheating was okay because none of us copped it.

Tigger

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Jesus like, you got outraged over the cheating and said "If you do it I'll do it too" basically, why? Because we didn't react quick enough? I didn't even know what you were on about until after 6, I thought you were giving out about them role claiming NRV.

You acted like an absolute arsehole today, and haven't a leg to stand on as far as I'm concerned.

I seriously cannot grasp where you spotting a cheat, and then deciding cheating was okay because none of us copped it.

I've already apologised and explained
I don't thinI play stream if concnkers mess and I didn't mean to break the game
Now either accept it or don't it won't make any difference to me in the morning

Riona WW

sullivlo wrote: »

A common rule has been, IIRC, do not discuss the content of PMs. When I had a question about me discussing the doll (in the context of my role as Pierce, and how I could potentially use it for my benefit), I sent a PM to the mods about it for clarification.

This actually isn't true. Its part of a false role claim to discuss what the mods told you in pm.

Any game that we've played has had a discussion in one way or another of your original pm, be it im an NRV or I'm grandpa Simpson.

The rule, as far as i understand it, is that you can't quote directly or post an image (granted more applicable to the facebook game) of the interaction with the mod, You can't post irrefutable evidence as it were.

As I said in the game thread i genuinly thought from the pm that i was the human being, the mascot of greendale, I was going to lay ground work for a role claim later but didnt bother.

I think the non discussion of the pm was game specific here. Going forward it might be an idea to have a standard set of rules with game specific rules highlighted seperately from the main rules.

sKeith

ewan/tigger please reflect on fact that isla/mick was not sent a human being pm and was sent a study group pm. your on thread evidence pointed at isla, who was innocent. okay, henry did it, report it to the mods, they review and decide infraction.

fwiw me/phil was not sent one either as a sub nrv. (no role)

thanks mods, was fun and was really enjoying it. extra special thanks for my reincarnation after night zero kill again.