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How to get made redundant?

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  • #62
    St1mpMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭St1mpMeister


    witchgirl26 wrote: »
    I don't understand the need to mention it to them at all though.

    a few reasons...

    - If I mention I'm looking around I need not hide the fact I'm job searching or may need time out for interviews etc

    - As a courtesy to give them time to find someone else and I can train them in rather than trying to do it all within the one-month notice period (which probably wouldn't be enough time)

    - If I'm let go I get more time to job search, but at least I'll be eligible to get some sort of income rather than if I quit outright in which I won't


  • #63
    witchgirl26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    If I mention I'm looking around I need not hide the fact I'm job searching or may need time out for interviews etc

    They're not going to happily facilitate you job hunting on their time and money though. If you want to take time out, it'll be the same as if you just want a random hour off to them. And they don't have to give it. You don't have to hide it at all but you also don't have to specifically tell them.
    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    As a courtesy to give them time to find someone else and I can train them in rather than trying to do it all within the one-month notice period (which probably wouldn't be enough time)

    That's fair enough but they might not start the process of looking for a replacement straight away if they're unsure of your finish date. They don't want to be paying 2 salaries for the same job for too long.
    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    If I'm let go I get more time to job search, but at least I'll be eligible to get some sort of income rather than if I quit outright in which I won't

    You might be entitled to JSB but if they fire you for misconduct (possibly citing shouting at managers/go slow) then you don't qualify for that for 9 weeks. Also I think most people here were saying only quit when you have something lined up so you will have an income coming in as you'll walk out of this job and into another.


  • #64
    St1mpMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭St1mpMeister


    witchgirl26 wrote: »
    if they fire you for misconduct (possibly citing shouting at managers/go slow) then you don't qualify for that for 9 weeks.

    Hasn't happened yet nor has it even been mentioned, probably because I was shouting in reaction to being shouted at. Hence the reason in my original post that I said I haven't yet been put in a situation to warrant disciplinary action. :rolleyes:

    On JB you also get 2 weeks paid holiday, again time that can be spent investigating jobs abroad by doing interviews in the relevant country while still earning at least "something".


  • #65
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    Hasn't happened yet nor has it even been mentioned, probably because I was shouting in reaction to being shouted at. Hence the reason in my original post that I said I haven't yet been put in a situation to warrant disciplinary action. :rolleyes:

    In all the companies I have worked in provocation has never been something that has been able to be used to prevent disciplinary action or used as an excuse, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it will happen in the future.

    Shouting to colleagues in the workplace is never acceptable.
    On JB you also get 2 weeks paid holiday, again time that can be spent investigating jobs abroad by doing interviews in the relevant country while still earning at least "something".

    They can ask you for proof that you do this and proof of flights and where you were staying etc, if someone did that straight away Social Welfare would be very suspicious when someone signs on.


  • #66
    witchgirl26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    Hasn't happened yet nor has it even been mentioned, probably because I was shouting in reaction to being shouted at. Hence the reason in my original post that I said I haven't yet been put in a situation to warrant disciplinary action. :rolleyes:

    On JB you also get 2 weeks paid holiday, again time that can be spent investigating jobs abroad by doing interviews in the relevant country while still earning at least "something".

    You said in your original post
    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    (as evident by my vocal shouting matches with the patronising IT manager, and the relatively slow pace I'm working at since I'm frankly bored)

    So the shouting has taken place, yes? Just because you weren't called out on it then does not mean that it wasn't noted. If you're working at a slow pace and shouting, trust me, that's enough to start disciplinary action. It may take a while but there's no way if you're acting like that, that they'll pay you off to go. They'll go through the channels and get rid of you. And like has been mentioned - shouting in response is not a defence. Just means that the other person will probably get a slap on the wrist too. However you're not doing yourself any favours with the go slow.

    Don't forget that most sectors in Ireland are actually quite small so you don't want to annoy people in your work that might know someone who you want a job from. I had it with an interview where the interviewer was best friends with a former boss of mine. She chatted to him after my interview and told me straight out that his description of me as a worker etc had helped me get the job offer. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.


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  • #67
    Sir Vival
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Sir Vival


    How has a senior developer with 15 years professional development experience not a few pound stored away to fund himself for a couple of months? :confused:


  • #68
    St1mpMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭St1mpMeister


    devnull wrote: »
    Shouting to colleagues in the workplace is never acceptable.

    If someone bullies me I'm not going to roll over and take it I've got a backbone. They get as good as they give.

    There have been a few shouting matches with the guy with other people as well. It's just the way he interacts with people due to being highly-strung.
    devnull wrote: »
    They can ask you for proof that you do this and proof of flights and where you were staying etc, if someone did that straight away Social Welfare would be very suspicious when someone signs on.

    Nope it's actually quite straightforward. You mention that you had planned on taking a holiday when you sign on and you get 2 weeks paid leave.

    It's actually quite amazing how they facilitate this, I was quite shocked when I could avail of this after the previous redundancy I mentioned, but it's something anyone is entitled to that has paid sufficient credits (like free dental etc).


  • #69
    witchgirl26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    If someone bullies me I'm not going to roll over and take it I've got a backbone. They get as good as they give.

    There have been a few shouting matches with the guy with other people as well. It's just the way he interacts with people due to being highly-strung.

    Just because someone shouts at you does not mean you should shout back. I'm not saying you roll over to bullies but generally if you respond calmly to someone shouting, it takes all the wind out of their sails and they back down on that side of things.

    Like I said before - it doesn't matter who started it, you engaged with it and thus can come back on you. And if you know someone is highly-strung in work, surely you'd do things not to antagonise the situation.


    St1mpMeister wrote: »
    Nope it's actually quite straightforward. You mention that you had planned on taking a holiday when you sign on and you get 2 weeks paid leave.

    It's actually quite amazing how they facilitate this, I was quite shocked when I could avail of this after the previous redundancy I mentioned, but it's something anyone is entitled to that has paid sufficient credits (like free dental etc).

    They facilitate it the same way as it is for jury duty (that you don't have to go if you have a holiday planned) but they'll generally require some form of proof of a holiday - flight confirmation email etc. I know a few people who've had to avail and all have been asked for it. It's straightforward to get it but they are going to look for proof to stop people taking the p.


  • #70
    St1mpMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭St1mpMeister


    witchgirl26 wrote: »
    They facilitate it the same way as it is for jury duty (that you don't have to go if you have a holiday planned) but they'll generally require some form of proof of a holiday - flight confirmation email etc. I know a few people who've had to avail and all have been asked for it. It's straightforward to get it but they are going to look for proof to stop people taking the p.

    Well obviously I'll have a flight confirmation if I'm going abroad to find work :confused:


  • #71
    marcus001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    I've been in the same position as the OP where I was being underpaid relative to the expected workload.

    My motivation suffered and so did my ability to hold me tongue although I never raised my voice, rather I disagreed a lot with my superiors.

    My best advice OP is to do what I did. You may despise your manager. You may think he's an incompetent buffoon. But if you just find another job and then hand in your notice you'll be much happier by the end of it. If you need time off to travel see if your next employer will allow you to start at a later date.

    Whatever you do don't be an a-hole. I'm assuming you're in Ireland, probably Dublin. Dublin is a very small place. This is even more of a factor if you love elsewhere. People talk. Don't give them anything to talk about. After you leave whatever bad feelings you had towards the place will fade and you won't have sullied your reputation.


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  • #72
    St1mpMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭St1mpMeister


    marcus001 wrote: »
    I've been in the same position as the OP where I was being underpaid relative to the expected workload.

    My motivation suffered and so did my ability to hold me tongue although I never raised my voice, rather I disagreed a lot with my superiors.

    My best advice OP is to do what I did. You may despise your manager. You may think he's an incompetent buffoon. But if you just find another job and then hand in your notice you'll be much happier by the end of it. If you need time off to travel see if your next employer will allow you to start at a later date.

    Whatever you do don't be an a-hole. I'm assuming you're in Ireland, probably Dublin. Dublin is a very small place. This is even more of a factor if you love elsewhere. People talk. Don't give them anything to talk about. After you leave whatever bad feelings you had towards the place will fade and you won't have sullied your reputation.

    OK this thread has gone way off the rails and there's an unhealthy focus on a brief mention of "shouting" in the OP.

    People seem to be fabricating the scenario in their heads that I'm going around starting fights with management and being a general "a-hole" ... I get on fine with colleagues and management who often remark on the quality of my work. I voice my opposition to one particular individual who tends to be a prick to a lot of people so in my OP I suggested that this should indicate to management that I'm not happy working there (or that I'm losing interest in the job, hence why my production speed might be slowing). I don't "shout" at him... it's perhaps occasional raised voices when he's clearly out of line.

    So that's that... the whole "shouting" thing is a non-event. Sorry to pop your moral-authority balloon.

    Secondly at no point did I say I was going to look for work in Ireland/Dublin or taking a "paid holiday", the whole idea of the thread is that I'm moving abroad to work and wanted to be able to earn "something" while I flew to a few different places to decide if I wanted to live there. I don't want to secure a job from Ireland without first flying to the location to get a sense of what the place is like to live in first, so prefer to do interviews on site.

    I suggested a "redundancy" payment would cover a longer period to allow me to search around but discovered that redundancy only happens when your position is being removed.

    That leaves 2 options...

    - I quit and then fly around looking but earn 0 during this period.
    OR
    - They let me go and I get at least "something" back via JB not to mention I have the JB to fall back on if I find nothing abroad.

    I'll obviously have a few interviews lined up from Ireland, but if I arrive at the location and discover it's not really what I'm looking for I may not take the job, rather than accepting the job from Ireland before I up and move.

    So, the preference still is "to be let go"... and as suggested in my OP being let go has absolutely 0 bearing in the computer industry due to the demand for the skillset (unlike some other jobs where it's better to be in employment while doing interviews).

    Anyway as the thread has diverted to such an extent that's it's no longer useful I'm un-following. It's all yours and cheers for the info re redundancy. :pac:


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