How to get made redundant?

St1mpMeister

Thought that title would grab some attention :pac:

I'm in a dead-end job working in software and plan to leave soon, but my ideal situation would be if they let me go and I got redundancy payment (for which I qualify), as I plan to investigate working abroad and the redundancy would help cover costs while I travel around searching/interviewing.

My skillset is such that I'd have 0 trouble getting another job, but obviously I don't want a bad record on my references. I'm a senior dev with 15 years experience and the last time I put my CV on Monster.ie I received 40 calls in one day, so not too worried about getting other work in Ireland. The tricky part is that I'd like to work abroad so want time to travel there and see what the place is like before applying.


Now the company know I'm not happy in the job (as evident by my vocal shouting matches with the patronising IT manager, and the relatively slow pace I'm working at since I'm frankly bored), yet I am surprised they haven't yet pulled me aside to say it's not working out. I suspect they are expecting me to quit.

Is there a way to instil a seed of doubt in their minds that leads them to believe it would be better to get someone to replace me, that doesn't involve me blatantly being undisciplined (e.g. squatting over the IT manager's desk to take a dookie) ?

One idea I'm thinking of is just to tell them something not committal like "I MAY be scouting out other jobs as I don't feel my skillset is being utilised fully here". This would hopefully plant a seed of doubt in their mind to find someone more permanent before the next 6 month project kicks in.

Any other suggestions?

Nody

Redundancy is for the position and not the person; so short of them reorganizing the department and removing your position you're not going to get a redundancy payment.

Teyla Emmagan

If they're not offering redundancy you haven't a hope. They will just wait for you to quit. Just don't hang around hoping for redundancy. I know people who stayed somewhere they hated for ten years hoping for that. Better to quit and start with a fresh slate.

St1mpMeister

Nody wrote: »

Redundancy is for the position and not the person; so short of them reorganizing the department and removing your position you're not going to get a redundancy payment.

just to give some perspective, it's a small company so no "departments" per se.

There are about 4 developers and I'm the only senior one, so they would look to replace me asap if I left as projects are piling up. I replaced a guy that was in this position before me.

Anyway I might mention the possibility of leaving to them, and see what they say. No harm in it since I'll be leaving anyway!

St1mpMeister

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

If they're not offering redundancy you haven't a hope.

Isn't redundancy essentially what you get when you are "asked to leave"?

I assumed you get it whenever you get let go (assuming you qualify), regardless if the word "redundancy" is used or not.

St1mpMeister

St1mpMeister wrote: »

Isn't redundancy essentially what you get when you are "asked to leave"?

I assumed you get it whenever you get let go (assuming you qualify), regardless if the word "redundancy" is used or not.

I think you are misunderstanding what redundancy is. The position in a company has to be made redundant, not the person.

If you leave, and they hire someone to replace you, then redundancy simply does not apply. I can't see at all how what you're asking here is going to happen. If you tell them you're going to leave they may offer you more money to stay, wouldn't be uncommon, but paying you to leave because you're unhappy? If something sounds too good to be true etc.

davo10

I don't think you understand what redundancy is. A position is redundant when it no longer exists, therefore if you were to leave, would they have to replace you? If the answer is yes, then a redundancy situation does not exist.

You can either quit and move on, or you can continue to agitate/go slow and they may eventually manage you out.

CeilingFly

So you plan to leave soon, but would like to scam redundancy from them?

That's called fraud in my book.


As the company now has to foot entire redundancy payment (it used to be part funded by dept social welfare) you've no chance.

Creamy Goodness

15 years experience but you're acting like a child. Hope I don't come across you in my career (in the same industry).

Ocean Blue

St1mpMeister wrote: »

Isn't redundancy essentially what you get when you are "asked to leave"?

I assumed you get it whenever you get let go (assuming you qualify), regardless if the word "redundancy" is used or not.

If you are performance managed out (sacked) following the correct disciplinary procedure, you will likely get nothing more than normal pay until you leave.

Dial Hard

You're looking for a golden handshake, not redundancy. I know two people who've managed it (one twice, believe it or not) but they were in fairly unique circumstances. If the company thinks they can just wait you out, they will.

Del2005

St1mpMeister wrote: »

Isn't redundancy essentially what you get when you are "asked to leave"?

I assumed you get it whenever you get let go (assuming you qualify), regardless if the word "redundancy" is used or not.

No being "Asked to Leave" means that they are firing you for either not doing your job satisfactorily, which you aren't due to slow work, or indiscipline, which you are doing by shouting at a co worker. So you are working towards getting fired not made redundant.

You need to either start working again and be more respectful to co workers or hand in your notice and leave. Because your current attitude will result in being let go and then no reference.

Avatar MIA

Dial Hard wrote: »

You're looking for a golden handshake

More like a golden boot.

It's possible, especially in very profitable small companies without much management experience. If they had sense they'd manage you out over a few months.

Atticus Jung

You wont, best outcome is you'll get sacked. For everyones sake, leave. Save up a few quid or get a small loan to cover you travel costs. You may even realise that its not too bad. Suck it up or you'll be stuck there making others miserable for for the rest of your career.

Galadriel

St1mpMeister wrote: »

Isn't redundancy essentially what you get when you are "asked to leave"?

I assumed you get it whenever you get let go (assuming you qualify), regardless if the word "redundancy" is used or not.

They are not going to sack you and pay you to leave, they can just sack you!

Avatar MIA

Galadriel wrote: »

just sack you!

Not a particularly easy course of action that can be taken in Ireland without potentially ending up before the WRC. Managed out? Sure.

St1mpMeister

Ocean Blue wrote: »

If you are performance managed out (sacked) following the correct disciplinary procedure, you will likely get nothing more than normal pay until you leave.

Learn something new, thanks

Lu Tze

If you can write some software that can do your job, then your position is redundant! Best of luck!

St1mpMeister

Lu Tze wrote: »

If you can write some software that can do your job, then your position is redundant! Best of luck!

In reality, that's probably only a few years away

Arcade_Tryer

Tell them you want to leave as the pay isn't high enough, and sit back and hear what they have to say?

Sounds like you have a strong market position; time to start exerting it.

jimmycrackcorm

Redundancy is an extra cost for a company with no return - the equivalent of burning money except in some cases there is no choice but to offer it.
So the answer to the ops question is that he needs to make the software so buggy that sales will drop and staff will have to be let go, but not so buggy that the company has to close completely and have no money to pay out redundancy.

Roger Hassenforder

why doesn't OP just fcekin quit already.
work down his notice and leave. People do it all the time.
Can you imagine working with someone like that...

If he isn't careful he'll be managed out with less favourable consequences than leaving on his own terms.

mitresize5

If I was your manager I'd be getting you on a well warranted Performance Improvement Plan.

Then I'd let you decide if this is something you wanted on your record with us and all the onward connotations regarding references, or you decided it was best to take up one of those 40 jobs offers that would be winging their way to you.

Your being extremely unprofessional by effectively working to rule

jacksie66

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Misguided1

St1mpMeister wrote: »

just to give some perspective, it's a small company so no "departments" per se.

There are about 4 developers and I'm the only senior one, so they would look to replace me asap if I left as projects are piling up. I replaced a guy that was in this position before me.

Anyway I might mention the possibility of leaving to them, and see what they say. No harm in it since I'll be leaving anyway!

The bit in bold is the important part. If they would replace you then the role is not redundant. The work still needs to be done by someone. As already said, a role becomes redundant and then the incumbent. Your role is not redundant by the sounds of it, you just want them to pay you to leave. May as well call it as it is.

Victor

St1mpMeister wrote: »

I plan to investigate working abroad and the redundancy would help cover costs while I travel around searching/interviewing.

Some employers will pay interview and/or relocation expenses and/or pay signing bonuses.

murria

Could you let your boss know that you would be interested if any redundancies were being offered in your area? I did this once, my boss was surprised as he had no idea I was thinking of leaving, i was a good worker and had a good relationship with most staff. He came back to me with an offer, which was less than I hoped for, but I accepted as my heart wasnt in the job anymore.

You sound like you have one foot out the door already and it would be nice to leave with a few quid, but if there is no redundacy payment available it sounds like you will have no problem getting another job. Theres no harm in asking nicely, they can only say yes or no.

dunleakelleher

St1mpMeister wrote: »

rching/interviewing.

but obviously I don't want a bad record on my references.


(as evident by my vocal shouting matches with the patronising IT manager, and the relatively slow pace I'm working at since I'm frankly bored),

If you keep that attitude up, looks like that they will have no choice but to give you a bad reference.

There are scenarios where people are managed out to avoid paying a redundancy but this isn't one of them.

If you want to leave, leave on your own terms.

draiochtanois

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Creamy Goodness

Jesus I thought I had worked with some insane people. This thread takes the biscuit. How did he all get jobs and keep them?