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Countdown to first Comp

  • 18-07-2017 9:12am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Starting 1rep Maxes
    Squat: 150kg
    Bench: 110kg - Some hip lift so working of 100kg
    Deadlift: 190kg

    Lining myself up to compete in the IDFPA competition in September in Ringaskiddy.
    Never competed before and this has given me some motivation and focus to train instead of just working out

    Have a 4day program but each week is at least 3 days, fourth is a bonus due to other committments.

    I'm actually 3 weeks into the program so this week is 9 weeks out :eek:

    Monday 17/07/2017
    Squat 80% 6*3 120kg Been squatting 80% each week, finally felt comfortable this week (still heavy but it was moving well if that makes sense ?)
    Broad Jumps 6*3 (Not liking these, good activation for hamstrings but I find the landing very jarring)
    Bench 70% +5kg 4*6 75kg (Moves well, remembering to settle the bar instead of bouncing/touch and go)
    Single arm DB overhead press 3*12 17.5kg These have become push presses because of a shoulder niggle at the bottom of the press
    1 Arm row 3*10 28kg kettlebell
    3*30s hollow holds


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Make sure to get used to the pauses on the bench. It's possibly the biggest difference to what most people are used to doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Wed 19/07/2017

    Speed Deadlifts 8*3 @ 65% 122.5kg
    Straight forward enough, need to work on my start position, but it always moves quickly once I get it off the floor

    Paused Deadlifts 6*3 125kg
    Been working up from 120kg on week 1 with these so decided to try it at 125kg
    Paused Deadlifts really help me feel it in my glutes/hamstrings and to concentrate on a smooth pull off the floor

    Bent over Rows 4*8 65kg
    First time in a while I've felt these in lats, I'm putting that down to working on my position so much on the deadlifts

    Nordic curls 3*8 - All negatives

    Side Planks 3*30s each side

    **Notes, my deadlift technique has changed and improved a lot in the last six months but each session I seem to find/feel things that work better for me.
    Using some cues from SilentMike of elbows back and cover the arm pits to really feel the lats pulling the bar in.
    Need to work on how I set my hamstrings though. Some lifts the bar just pops off the floor, other times I'm half squatting it, so I'm trying different things on each set to see what works best **


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Friday 21/07/2017
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    WG Bench Press 3*4 @ 80% +2.5 82.5kg - First time going wide grip, felt tougher than expected

    Legless Bench 3x8 70kg - Tough but do-able

    Pause Bench 6x3 (3sec) 72.5kg - These feel great, don't know if its because they're after the legless bench ?

    Tricep Ext 3 x 15 12.5kg DB
    DB CS Row 3-4x15 17.5kg DB

    Plank (Toes away) 3 x 60s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Sat 22/07/2017

    Squat 4*5 @75% 112.5kg - 4 tough sets, need to keep up foam-rolling as my quads and itb were giving out for each set

    High Bar Squat 3*8 80kg, 85kg 90kg - These moved really well

    Bench Press 4*5 75% +2.5

    Chin Up 4x5 +5kg, 7.5kg, 10.5kg

    TRX Row AMAP in 1 mins, 42reps

    High bar moved really well, not sure if this is the weight or if I should be doing high bar instead of low ?
    Low bar feels like a more comfortable for where I hold the bar, it doesn't feel stable on my traps ?
    I'm thinking of trying high bar for more warm up sets and maybe a working set just to see ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Monday 24/07/2017

    Squat 80% 6*3 120kg Did all my warm up set high bar but chickened out on doing a working set with high bar. That being said I stayed more upright and my hips and shoulders moved together nicely on the working sets when I went to low bar

    Bench 75% +5kg 4*6 80kg
    Sucked so so much, bar never felt comfortable in my hands and I think I was set up to far from the j hooks so I had a long unrack

    Barbell overhead press 3*10 40kg Push presses because of shoulder issue
    Funny though, because once the bar is moving I've no issues, but there is a lot of discomfort if I have to push from a dead stop

    1 Arm row 3*6 28kg kettlebell - Slow negatives because there is nothing heavier in the gym to one arm row

    3*30s hollow holds


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Current weight is 13st 7lbs (First thing in the AM)

    This is my first comp so I shouldn't be too worried about making weight etc but I think I might try and trim the 7/8lbs off in the next 8 weeks ?

    Its not a drastic cut so it should be do-able ?
    I'm thinking of carb cycling on non training days and paying more attention and not binging at the weekends/ no more choc in the evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I wouldn't bother trying to cut. You can cut after the competition.

    Just be aware that if you signed up in one weight grade, there may be a cut-off date for changing that, e.g. to the next grade up. It's 3 weeks before the comp in the IPF, as a reference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Wed 26/07/2017

    Deadlifts 4*3 @ 87% 165kg
    *Should have been 2*4, didn't check program before starting*

    Paused Deadlifts 6*3 120kg
    Felt good, really feel these in glutes/hamstrings

    Bent over Rows 4*8 70kg
    Felt heavy but do-able

    Hamsting curls curls 3*8 Black Resistance band

    Hollow holds 3*30s

    Me and deadlifts :rolleyes:. I'm beginning to thing I am over complicating the set up. I can squeeze my lats, take the slack out of the bar, chest up.
    What I can't seem to do is load hamstrings :mad:
    Should you always feel hamstrings before starting the pull ?
    I think next week I will just aim to get the hips closer to the bar and check they're not rising too early ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Usually, when I'm hinging into position, I'll feel the stretch in the hamstring.

    Hamstrings are loaded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Usually, when I'm hinging into position, I'll feel the stretch in the hamstring.

    Hamstrings are loaded.

    This is what I've been trying to drill but I just can't seem to get it to click :confused:

    When I hinge forward, arms are in front of barbell. When I move my arms back to grab the barbell, I'm losing some of the hamstring tightness. and round my back slightly. I try pushing back to get the loaded feeling back in my hamstring and flatten the back, I think this is where I actually lose the tension.

    Its really annoying me when I can't get it because I've felt how the weight should move with a proper set up and it just moves so much better !

    Might try recording some working sets next week to get a better idea of whats going wrong


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I find it easy to unhinge after hinging the hamstrings because I naturally bended at my lower back instead of hips before I learned to deadlift.

    I use a combination of two mental cues when I'm at bottom position; try point my belly button at the floor behind me, and stick my ass backwards. My deadlift isn't perfect but these have greatly helped my deadlift become less sh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    I find it easy to unhinge after hinging the hamstrings because I naturally bended at my lower back instead of hips before I learned to deadlift.

    I use a combination of two mental cues when I'm at bottom position; try point my belly button at the floor behind me, and stick my ass backwards. My deadlift isn't perfect but these have greatly helped my deadlift become less sh1t.

    Might give that a go, I have my cues for chest, lats, it's hips and hamstrings that I can't figure:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Make sure to get used to the pauses on the bench. It's possibly the biggest difference to what most people are used to doing.

    I know I said this but the squat is another one that I saw an awful lot of mistakes on in my first comp. In the flight before mine, there were about 12 lifters, so that's 36 squats in total. I'd say 8 or so were failed because they didn't listen to the referee's commands. including a PR.

    When you unrack the bar and set yourself, you wait for the 'Squat" command. That will be given by the ref in front of you and he'll signal by dropping his arm. When you stand back up, stay there until you get the 'Rack' command. That's where most people fall down on. They were racking it as soon as they completed the lift and failed because they hadn't waited for the command.

    You don't get the 'Squat' or 'Rack' command until you've shown you're in control of the bar.

    Might be no harm looking at the IDFPA rules ahead of the comp on those things and the clothing etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    I know I said this but the squat is another one that I saw an awful lot of mistakes on in my first comp. In the flight before mine, there were about 12 lifters, so that's 36 squats in total. I'd say 8 or so were failed because they didn't listen to the referee's commands. including a PR.

    When you unrack the bar and set yourself, you wait for the 'Squat" command. That will be given by the ref in front of you and he'll signal by dropping his arm. When you stand back up, stay there until you get the 'Rack' command. That's where most people fall down on. They were racking it as soon as they completed the lift and failed because they hadn't waited for the command.

    You don't get the 'Squat' or 'Rack' command until you've shown you're in control of the bar.

    Might be no harm looking at the IDFPA rules ahead of the comp on those things and the clothing etc.

    No bother, thanks for the pointers. We're using the commands each session for benching, but should really start then for squatting as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    And for deadlifts, just practise commands holding the bar for 2+ seconds once you lock out. You won't be waiting 2 seconds for a 'down' command on the platform (unless you haven't actually locked out), but this is practise.

    Could do something similar for squats if you don't have anybody to give commands. Unrack the bar, set your feet and look straight ahead (at the imaginary official) for 3-5 seconds. Then squat, then stand still for 2 seconds before racking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    And for deadlifts, just practise commands holding the bar for 2+ seconds once you lock out. You won't be waiting 2 seconds for a 'down' command on the platform (unless you haven't actually locked out), but this is practise.

    Could do something similar for squats if you don't have anybody to give commands. Unrack the bar, set your feet and look straight ahead (at the imaginary official) for 3-5 seconds. Then squat, then stand still for 2 seconds before racking.

    Thanks I'll start doing those straight away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Btw, Alf and I have given advice here and it's up to you how you use. Just be wary that changing too much this close to your first competition could work against you. However, things like practising for commands are things you really, really need to work on if you haven't done so already.

    Anything you change now should only have the competition in mind. Anything like drastic form/cue changes can wait until after the competiton. If it's a small change and you thing you can integrate it easily, then go ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Btw, Alf and I have given advice here and it's up to you how you use. Just be wary that changing too much this close to your first competition could work against you. However, things like practising for commands are things you really, really need to work on if you haven't done so already.

    Anything you change now should only have the competition in mind. Anything like drastic form/cue changes can wait until after the competiton. If it's a small change and you thing you can integrate it easily, then go ahead.

    I can see what you mean about not changing much if anything.

    Squat - None. I will either get someone to call the commands or use the pauses as suggested
    Bench - We've been using the calls from the first week, don't see anything being changed on this lift
    Deadlift - I'm trying not to change too much here, but I need to figure out proper cues for the set up, I'm so so close to a proper set up :)

    I imagine part of my problem is that my current 85% is my old 1rep max and I've never had to pull 160kg + for reps/sets

    I need to get dialled in at this stage because I know I'll get in my head on the day if I go for a new PR

    Thanks for the comments so far, I am taking it all on board and appreciate it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    I can see what you mean about not changing much if anything.

    Squat - None. I will either get someone to call the commands or use the pauses as suggested
    Bench - We've been using the calls from the first week, don't see anything being changed on this lift
    Deadlift - I'm trying not to change too much here, but I need to figure out proper cues for the set up, I'm so so close to a proper set up :)

    I imagine part of my problem is that my current 85% is my old 1rep max and I've never had to pull 160kg + for reps/sets

    I need to get dialled in at this stage because I know I'll get in my head on the day if I go for a new PR

    Thanks for the comments so far, I am taking it all on board and appreciate it
    You don't really need to have someone make commands for the squat. Just step back and pause. You can give yourself a squat command to start. Just pause for a second or 2 before re-racking. It becomes second nature quickly.

    The bench one is a little trickier purely by dint of having three commands. Start-press-rack.

    So when you rack, hold it til you hear the start command. Lower and pause til you hear 'Press'. Then rack when you hear 'rack'. A lot of people seem to think that the pause before you get the 'Press' command is arbitrary but it's to make sure you have control of the bar. My very first bench in competition was awful. Bar path was manky and I was canoeing it on my chest...but you can see clearly on the video that the second I stopped it, I got the press. On the next 2, the press came sooner because the bar wasn't moving when I got paused it on my chest.

    Oh, just on the deadlift: don't drop the bar. Control it back to the floor - not a slow eccentric but just keep your hands on it.

    To chime in on what Nicholas said, when you're training moves closer to the comp, everything becomes more specific to the comp. Part of that is building in the commands.

    It sounds like a lot but it isn't really when it comes to doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Friday 28/07/2017

    Pause BP (3s) 3*4 @ 80% 80kg - Moving well, even with the long pause

    Floor Press – 3*6 75kg
    Felt good, can prob go a bit heavier next week

    Spotto Press - 3*6 75kg
    A lot harder than I was expecting, never did these before so the awkward bit was stopping the weight consistently
    Tricep Ext 4*10 12.5kg
    DB Chest Supported Rows 4*12 20kg

    Took the advice from other posts and built in a wait at the start and the end of the benching to allow for the calls


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Sat 29/07/2017

    Squat 3*3 @87% 130kg
    Felt so uncomfortable but moved alright and did not feel overly heavy
    Uncomfortable because of early morning/ not enough warm up and ITB issue
    Fix - better warm up and more soft tissue work outside of the gym

    SBS/HBS – 3x6 90kg, 100kg, 105kg
    Took up to 105 for these to feel heavy, moved surprising well with really really low depth.

    Bench Press 4*6 @ 75kg - No issues

    BB Back 4x5 100kg V heavy but I wanted to see how high I could go seeing as it was only set s of 5

    Planks 3*30s 10kg, 15kg, 20kg

    Shrugs 3*12 60kg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Monday 01/08/2017

    Squat 80% 6*3 120kg Simples really. Worked on the pause before starting and again when the set is finished before racking. Cue-ing chest back stops the hips rising first and then its "hips under/through" to lock it out quick

    Zercher Squats 2*15 60kg First time doing these for high reps so stayed at 60kg as it was comfortable-ish but can definitely move up the weight

    Bench 75% +5kg 4*5 80kg Changed the cue from pushing heels down to pushing them away and the whole set up felt tighter and move controlled.
    Apparently my heels were starting to lift on previous weeks but with the new cue they stayed stuck to the floor

    Single arm DB overhead press 3*12 20kg Heavy on the lock out but otherwise fine

    1 Arm row 3*12 28kg kettlebell Felt proper heavy. went RP on the lasst set to get to 20reps on each side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Wed 03/08/2017

    Deadlift 2*3 @ 90% 170kg

    Paused Deadlifts 6*3 130kg
    Straight forward enough. Move up 5kg again next week

    RDL 3*6 60kg, 100kg, 100kg - These can jump about 20kg

    Row 5*8 70kg

    Hamstring Curls - Black Band
    An Awkward exercise but I "feel it" a bit more than doing nordic curl negatives

    3*30s Planks +15kg
    Bored of regular planks, feel the weighted for 30s a LOT more


    Right, think the key for me and deadlifts is not overthinking the set up.
    Last nights cues were: grab the bar, chest up, lats back, arse back and pull.
    Bar got away from me on the last rep of each set, made it harder but locked out each rep.
    The good reps have boosted my confidence for the lift so hopefully I can replicate it next week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Fri 05/08/2017

    Pause Bench 3sec 3*4 @80%+5 85kg
    Floor Press 3*6 75kg
    Spotto Press 3*6 75kg
    Tricep Ext 4*10 12.5kg
    DB Chest Supported Rows 4*12 20kg

    Black band triceps push downs super-set with barbell curls.
    Curls done for 20reps just to help with elbow niggle

    No issues at all with this, even with the heavier weights this was a handy bench session


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Sat 06/08/2017

    Squat 3*2 @80%, 86%, 92.5% 120,130,137.5kg
    So so so uncomfortable. Chest came forward, just did not feel like good squats at all

    SBS/HBS – 3*5 100kg
    Took up to 105 for these to feel heavy, moved surprising well with really really low depth.

    Bench Press 4*6 @ 75kg - No issues

    BB Back 4x5 100kg

    Shrugs 3*12 60kg

    Some more high rep curls for elbow.

    Overall a very poor session. I took longer on my warm up and even did extra glute activation and mobility work but still the squats just weren't there.
    Might be a morning thing but I'll have a chat with my coach before next saturday to see what i should change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Tuesday 08/08/2017

    Squat 80% 6*3 120kg Tough today. Don't know why but I couldn't hi the same bar path as other week. Going to put it down to tiredness after the weekend

    Zercher Squats 2*15 65kg2 hard sets but do-able

    Bench 75% +5kg 4*5 82.5kg Grand. Funny bench was never an exercise I was worried about progressing but its been one of my best exercises the last couple of weeks

    Single arm DB overhead press 3*12 20kg Much smoother press this week, going to move to a 24kg kettlebell next week because 20kg is the heaviest DB

    1 Arm row 3*12 28kg kettlebell Grand

    I'm starting to get concerned about the squat. I don't want to change anything 6 weeks away from a competition but I'm not feeling very confident after Saturday and last night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Have you been videoing your squats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Have you been videoing your squats?

    I didn't last week after the Monday squats went so well. I'm going to set up a camera Sat morning to see how they look/whats going on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    I didn't last week after the Monday squats went so well. I'm going to set up a camera Sat morning to see how they look/whats going on

    What feels different/wrong about the last two sessions?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    What feels different/wrong about the last two sessions?

    Chest dropping and weight coming onto toes.

    I tightened my grip on the last 2 sets last night and it moved a lot better. I didn't consciously change my grip so dunno what changed
    I'm going to use the same grip when I work through my warm ups on Saturday.
    Saturday is working up to 95%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    Chest dropping and weight coming onto toes.

    I tightened my grip on the last 2 sets last night and it moved a lot better. I didn't consciously change my grip so dunno what changed
    I'm going to use the same grip when I work through my warm ups on Saturday.
    Saturday is working up to 95%

    Tightening your grip might have helped keep your upper back tighter. If you don't keep it tight enough, when the weight gets heavier, it will push you forward.

    Well, that's one possible reason - it's something I've had to address myself anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Tightening your grip might have helped keep your upper back tighter. If you don't keep it tight enough, when the weight gets heavier, it will push you forward.

    Well, that's one possible reason - it's something I've had to address myself anyway.

    You could be right, I know on Sat and Tues night the bar didn't feel like it was sitting into my rear delts as much as when squats moved well. I'll keep that in mind when I set up in future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Wed 09/08/2017

    Deadlift 2*3 @ 75% 142.5kg

    Paused Deadlifts 6*3 135kg
    Straight forward enough. Move up 5kg again next week

    RDL 3*6 100kg, 110kg, 117.5kg - I'll start these around 120kg next week

    Row 5*8 75kg

    Hamstring Curls - Black Band
    An Awkward exercise but I "feel it" a bit more than doing nordic curl negatives

    3*30s Planks +15kg
    Bored of regular planks, feel the weighted for 30s a LOT more

    Why can't all deadlift sessions feel like this one. Pulling 75% probably helped but warm ups etc all moved better than other weeks
    Recorded my working sets as well. Hips didn't rise before bar so thats a good thing ?
    need to tighen upper back but otherwise happy enough with hoe it felt.

    How heavy should you be able to go with RDLs ? I reckon I can do 65/70% of my 1rm deadlift for 8ish reps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    How heavy should you be able to go with RDLs ? I reckon I can do 65/70% of my 1rm deadlift for 8ish reps

    That's probably ball park. Just be wary of going too heavy and losing the movement quality, that's all. If you had to drop back a couple of percent to make sure the movement was any benefit, so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Fri 11/08/2017

    Pause Bench 3sec 3*4 @80%+5 85kg
    Floor Press 3*6 75kg
    Spotto Press 3*6 75kg
    Tricep Ext 4*10 12.5kg
    DB Chest Supported Rows 4*12 20kg

    Black band triceps push downs super-set with barbell curls.
    Curls done for 20reps just to help with elbow niggle

    All easy enough again


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Sat 12/08/2017

    Squat 1*4@80%, 1*3@87.5%, 1*2@95% 120kg, 130kg, 142.5kg

    SBS/HBS – 6*3 110kg

    Bench Press 4*6 @ 70%+5kg Went to 80kg because 75kg moved so well

    BB Back 4x8 70kg

    Much better day squatting :D
    Took a slightly longer warm up
    Squatting high bar for the first few Warm up sets
    Took the hands in closer and really worked on that upper back tightness.
    The bar was sitting so well I hardly felt like I had 95% on my back (well not until I was coming out of the hole anyway)

    Much happier with how things went so fingers crossed it stays that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    You're welcome :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Monday 14/08/2017

    Squat 70% 6*3 105kg Got a bit overconfident starting these but once I started using my cues it went well.

    Zercher Squats 2*15 70kg Felt easy enough, must be because the squats were lighter

    Bench 70% +7.5kg 4*6 77.5kg Still moving well. Testing on Friday (not to failure so curious to see how 100+feels

    Single arm DB overhead press 3*12 20kg Tried 24kg KB, "shoulder says no" :D

    1 Arm row 3*12 28kg kettlebell Grand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Did you get signed up to the meet in the end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Did you get signed up to the meet in the end?

    Yup, signed up at the weekend. Looking forward to it !
    Going down on the Sat to cheer on some of the girls from my gym and rest up before competing on the Sunday.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    Yup, signed up at the weekend. Looking forward to it !
    Going down on the Sat to cheer on some of the girls from my gym and rest up before competing on the Sunday.

    Cheer from a seated position....conserves energy! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Cheer from a seated position....conserves energy! :)

    Will do :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Wed 09/08/2017

    Deadlift 2*2 @ 92% 175kg First set of 2 was actually alright. Second set didn't even budge :mad:

    RDL 3*6 120kg Started at 120kg, never went any higher. Felt proper tough and I wanted to keep my form correct

    Row 5*8 Supposed to be 75kg, ended up doing 3 sets at 85kg after trying 95kg by mistake :rolleyes:
    Head just wan't working and somehow I thought the 10s were 5s

    Did some conditioning and mobility work at the end, rowing circuits and banded distractions for my hips

    Still not sure how I feel about deadlifts, I'm telling myself that its tough because these weights are all new to me in the last couple months. I'm not expecting a jump like my last testing, just hoping it goes up a few Kgs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Did you get take enough of a rest between deadlift sets?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    Did you get take enough of a rest between deadlift sets?

    Took at least 5 minutes.
    I'd taken a fair few warm up sets to reach the 175kg though, maybe thats what did it.

    Bar, 60kg for 8, 80kg for 5, 100kg for 3-5, 120kg for 2, 140kg for 2, 160kg for 1

    The logic was trying to accumulate volume at the lower weights ?
    All the warm up sets moved really well

    Might have been better to skip the 160kg ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    Took at least 5 minutes.
    I'd taken a fair few warm up sets to reach the 175kg though, maybe thats what did it.

    Bar, 60kg for 8, 80kg for 5, 100kg for 3-5, 120kg for 2, 140kg for 2, 160kg for 1

    The logic was trying to accumulate volume at the lower weights ?
    All the warm up sets moved really well

    Might have been better to skip the 160kg ?

    There's a balance between doing too little and doing too much and where you are now in relation to the comp, you don't need to be doing that much volume beforehand. Your volume should have been accumulated before now.

    You're concentrating on strength now and getting everything firing for heavy top sets.

    When it comes to the comp, you won't want to be doing any more than maybe 5-8 reps in total before your first lift because you want to preserve energy. You don't need to be as restrictive now but you're doing 21-23 reps before two doubles at 92%.

    As a max, I'd look at maybe 60x5, 90x3, 120x 1-2, 145x 1, 160x 1 at the very most. 11-12 reps, 48-52% less volume in warming up to the 2x2.

    And take as long as you need between sets. If you feel like you need to take more than 5 minutes, that's fine. You'll possibly have 8-10 minutes between lifts at the comp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    There's a balance between doing too little and doing too much and where you are now in relation to the comp, you don't need to be doing that much volume beforehand. Your volume should have been accumulated before now.

    You're concentrating on strength now and getting everything firing for heavy top sets.

    When it comes to the comp, you won't want to be doing any more than maybe 5-8 reps in total before your first lift because you want to preserve energy. You don't need to be as restrictive now but you're doing 21-23 reps before two doubles at 92%.

    As a max, I'd look at maybe 60x5, 90x3, 120x 1-2, 145x 1, 160x 1 at the very most. 11-12 reps, 48-52% less volume in warming up to the 2x2.

    And take as long as you need between sets. If you feel like you need to take more than 5 minutes, that's fine. You'll possibly have 8-10 minutes between lifts at the comp.

    Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.

    Should I use a similar warm up plan for my squatting this weekend ? The program has 80%, 86%, 92%, 97.5% for 2 so 120kg, 130kg, 137.5kg, 145


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.

    Should I use a similar warm up plan for my squatting this weekend ? The program has 80%, 86%, 92%, 97.5% for 2 so 120kg, 130kg, 137.5kg, 145

    I'd keep the warm ups before the 80% to a minimum because you'll be doing 6 reps at 80-92% before the 97.5% so you want to conserve energy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭will56


    I'd keep the warm ups before the 80% to a minimum because you'll be doing 6 reps at 80-92% before the 97.5% so you want to conserve energy.

    Super.

    Just on warm ups, do you then do a lot of mobility/air squats/ general warming up instead of creeping up the weights ?
    In our classes we used to do squat specific warm ups/mobility work before moving to the racks. I'd then work up to working sets using 10/15kg increases.

    Is my time better spent doing more none weighted warm ups, taking bigger increases and getting more quality work done at working sets ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    will56 wrote: »
    Super.

    Just on warm ups, do you then do a lot of mobility/air squats/ general warming up instead of creeping up the weights ?
    In our classes we used to do squat specific warm ups/mobility work before moving to the racks. I'd then work up to working sets using 10/15kg increases.

    Is my time better spent doing more none weighted warm ups, taking bigger increases and getting more quality work done at working sets ?

    Do the mobility work etc before starting. Think of how you get to the weight for the 2x2 without expending too much energy. The warm ups are to acclimatise to the movement with the weight....you don't necessarily need to do lots of reps for that.

    Just to caveat all that, I'm not a trainer or an expert but it's just what I've tried to do of late when it comes to peaking for comp and you're training from now should be preparing you for comp mode. Normally, it's not that big an issue to go up through the weights like you have been but with higher percentages, the top sets are your primary concern, not volume or anything else.


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