Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Bunny Colvin

Oldtree wrote: »

Now that's a step too far
You're no crack at all

It's clear that a very fluid positional setup is suiting us. It will be very exciting to see where Rochford takes this for Dublin.

I did say 'nearly'

Loafing Oaf

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes is the answer imo,quite an improvement in our forward play with Aidan sitting more defensively. Much quicker ball and greater fluidity.Footpassing in the last few games has been a joy to behold.We have been attacking at great pace from the half back and on occasion full back with Zippy on the front foot.The off the shoulder passing has been wonderful.

Hoping he'll take up position in the middle of the park as an auxiliary midfielder.He can rotate inside as necessary or to mix things up.Many others have mentioned many moons ago their belief that Aidan at times tends to stifle our attack when he takes too much out of the ball and puts the head down.For all his great attributes he isn't exactly blessed with a blistering turn of pace.:)

Yes I'm for this too, combined with abandoning the sweeper and pressuring Cluxton's kickouts, basically betting on the farm on turning over the majority of Dublin kickouts and having a decent lead at half time.

PressRun

A factor in Doherty's form imo is that he has been given a more attacking role. James Horan used him largely as a worker and that was fine as he has the strength for that, but Jason can score and is good going forward. He used to score goals for fun a few years back before Horan gave him a new role. He seems to be combining a bit of both the Horan era role and a more forward role now.

Padkir

PressRun wrote: »

A factor in Doherty's form imo is that he has been given a more attacking role. James Horan used him largely as a worker and that was fine as he has the strength for that, but Jason can score and is good going forward. He used to score goals for fun a few years back before Horan gave him a new role. He seems to be combining a bit of both the Horan era role and a more forward role now.

Agree with this. He was a corner forward at heart before he came out the field to do the grafting and he hasn't lost the forward's instinct. Super player.

seligehgit

ProudDUB wrote: »

Only problem with that, is that its very easy for the game to pass him by, by Cluxton sending kickouts out to the wings. Remember the 2013 AI final, where he played a more traditional midfield role? Cluxton had Flynner, Kilkenny, McCarthy etc etc hoovering up kickout after kickout under the shadow of the 2 stands. Aido spent pretty much the entire game on his Sweeny Todd in midfield, wondering when someone was going to pass him ball. He may be the intended target for Clarke's kickouts and the mark will make it easier for him to hang onto them, but I'm very hopeful not entirely confident that Clarke's kickouts will find their intended targets, to the same degree that Cluxton's will.

Will I ever forget,he was run ragged chasing shadows in sweltering conditions.

No easy solution to the Aidan O Shea conundrum.

seligehgit

Heard that Diarmuid was withdrawn with a hamstring problem??

NabyLadistheman

seligehgit wrote: »

Heard that Diarmuid was withdrawn with a hamstring problem??

Confirmed by Rochy alright. Picked it up the previous week, would have thought it should be ok

seligehgit

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Confirmed by Rochy alright. Picked it up the previous week, would have thought it should be ok

Yeah I heard the withdrawal was more of a precautionary nature.

ProudDUB

seligehgit wrote: »

Will I ever forget,he was run ragged chasing shadows in sweltering conditions.

No easy solution to the Aidan O Shea conundrum.

Yup. Not when the oppositions whole game plan is based on speed, pace and lightening quick counter attacks. The big man often looks flat flooted in those situations. His size and height, that used to be a massive advantage to him, steamrolling lesser opposition, suddenly becomes a liability. Donaghy doesn't have great pace either, but for such a big man, he is (was?) very, very nimble on his feet. He also has very quick hands for the offload. His basketball background a factor there perhaps. Not so sure if the ship has sailed on getting Aido up to his skill level, or getting him to adapt his game accordingly....what age is he now...26, 27?

seligehgit

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yup. Not when the oppositions whole game plan is based on speed, pace and lightening quick counter attacks. The big man often looks flat flooted in those situations. His size and height, that used to be a massive advantage to him, steamrolling lesser opposition, suddenly becomes a liability. Donaghy doesn't have great pace either, but for such a big man, he is (was?) very, very nimble on his feet. He also has very quick hands for the offload. His basketball background a factor there perhaps. Not so sure if the ship has sailed on getting Aido up to his skill level, or getting him to adapt his game accordingly....what age is he now...26, 27?

He's 27.I think the ship may have sailed.

blinding

tacofries wrote: »

This is gonna get a great response from 2 posters in particular but what do people feel has changed which has made Doherty and Moran click into form?

Is it due to playing Aidan at full back which then results in us giving a different style of ball into the forward line?

The question does need to be asked if our love for Aidan results in us ignoring styles of play which may suit other forwards better.

The question has to be asked........Is there something about Aiden that has an effect .....

Anyway we have some more strings to our bow now.......

km79

It's great to have options on the forward line at last !

I've not posted much since Saturday but I just want to say how fantastic Boyle and Higgins were again
I've had doubts about both at different times this summer but it's just so brilliant to see them in full flow

God I hope we do it and I actually think we will !

blinding

km79 wrote: »

It's great to have options on the forward line at last !

I've not posted much since Saturday but I just want to say how fantastic Boyle and Higgins were again
I've had doubts about both at different times this summer but it's just so brilliant to see them in full flow

God I hope we do it and I actually think we will !

They kept bringing the ball forward and made sure that Mayo did not sit back and try to hold on too much .

Hopefully we get in that situation against Dublin and can handle it . Keep going forward when possible and don't try hanging on.....

Hopefully we are in that situation .......

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Hoping he'll take up position in the middle of the park as an auxiliary midfielder.He can rotate inside as necessary or to mix things up.Many others have mentioned many moons ago their belief that Aidan at times tends to stifle our attack when he takes too much out of the ball and puts the head down.For all his great attributes he isn't exactly blessed with a blistering turn of pace.:)

He was one of, if not, our best and most influential players of year coming into the Kerry games, playing the role you've described above.

He has exerted his influence because he has more or less eradicated the negatives that you mention. He's taking far less out of the ball this year. He's either laying it off after creating space or if he does run, it has been with real intent and in the right places, picking up a serious amount of frees for Cillian.

It's amazing the stanards / expectations he is held to. It's not as if we look at the likes of Higgins and say, it's a pity he's not 6" 4 and won a few more high balls.

He has really shown the cop on to be a good team player this year. That's all we should expect of him imo. He doesn't have blistering pace but who the hell cares if he's drawing a couple of men away and giving a quick hand off to a runner who burries a goal. Morans goal against the Rossies is a good example of him doing less but achieving more for the team. Even the Higgins cracker might be a better example, he didn't touch the ball in that move but created the space for Higgins to run into.

He will be needed in the wandering 11 role he has played this year (bar the Kerry games) because we're not going to have the opportunities that Kerry afforded us. Dublin won't let a 2 vs 2 inside their own 45.
Even if we get the opportunity to play a few long kick passes in, Dublin have a FB line and a sweeper that don't cough up change lightly.

Blackjack

tacofries wrote: »

This is gonna get a great response from 2 posters in particular but what do people feel has changed which has made Doherty and Moran click into form?

Is it due to playing Aidan at full back which then results in us giving a different style of ball into the forward line?

The question does need to be asked if our love for Aidan results in us ignoring styles of play which may suit other forwards better.

Doherty has always been excellent, people just haven't noticed the amount of work he does and his contributions except for the last few games. But I've always had a very high opionion of him since he came on the scene, which hasn't always been a consensus view.

Moran has been showing the signs of improvement all this year and last, he's certainly shining now. His changing jobs from a sales man to a gym owner is a large part of this. His working day is spent less behind the wheel of a car and more doing stuff to his benefit. In the last 2 games Enright made him shine even brighter and for all the bile spewed towards Rochford for putting Aido on Donaghy I could not for the life of me understand how Fitzmaurice got a free pass for leaving Enright on Andy, all the while Andy was decorating him like a Christmas tree.

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah I heard the withdrawal was more of a precautionary nature.

Ya, in a post match interview Rochford said that Diarmuid was carrying a hamstring injury / niggle into the game and that the plan was to play him for 35-40 mins.

He confirmed that Vaughan came off with a similar niggle.

PARlance

Was it me or was Ger Caff ready to come on for a few minutes near the end on Saturday? Thought I seen him ready to come in but Durcan's red may have put an end to it.

It wasn't a case of mistaken identity for his second yellow either. TSG highlighted him and Savage grabbing onto each other off the ball long before the free was given.

jj72

PARlance wrote: »

Was it me or was Ger Caff ready to come on for a few minutes near the end on Saturday? Thought I seen him ready to come in but Durcan's red may have put an end to it.

It wasn't a case of mistaken identity for his second yellow either. TSG highlighted him and Savage grabbing onto each other off the ball long before the free was given.

He did come on?

PARlance

jj72 wrote: »

He did come on?

Caff came on? Jesus I completely missed that.

Edit: Had a quick look at RTE player. He did indeed just as Donaghy was extending his arm. I must have been caught up in something else.

I wonder if Rochford sees a role for him against Dublin. It wouldn't be unlike him to make a big call like that. Could become a real possibility if Vaughan's injury turns out to be an issue.

BonnieSituation

Blackjack wrote: »

Doherty has always been excellent, people just haven't noticed the amount of work he does and his contributions except for the last few games. But I've always had a very high opionion of him since he came on the scene, which hasn't always been a consensus view.

Moran has been showing the signs of improvement all this year and last, he's certainly shining now. His changing jobs from a sales man to a gym owner is a large part of this. His working day is spent less behind the wheel of a car and more doing stuff to his benefit.

This makes sense now. Cheers for that.

In the last 2 games Enright made him shine even brighter and for all the bile spewed towards Rochford for putting Aido on Donaghy I could not for the life of me understand how Fitzmaurice got a free pass for leaving Enright on Andy, all the while Andy was decorating him like a Christmas tree.

Neither do I. The way EF gets away with stuff consistently annoys me.

Dyr

The cynicism in Kerry that Tomás Ó Sé alluded to was interesting, along the lines that at least EF was willing to do the job now while others were happy to bide their time until better players came through

danganabu

Bambi wrote: »

The cynicism in Kerry that Tomás Ó Sé alluded to was interesting, along the lines that at least EF was willing to do the job now while others were happy to bide their time until better players came through

As in Jack O'Connor??

Blackjack

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Neither do I. The way EF gets away with stuff consistently annoys me.

Not sure that "getting away with it" would be what I'd call it. It was more the rush by certain sections of the media to denigrate Rochford for his decisions and also the lauding of Donaghy for the phantom 2-6 he had "a hand in" per Brolly was more of an annoyance and showed the imbalance and media bias. As for the "having a hand in" it seems being near the ball on the same field of play was sufficient to lay a claim to that particular accolade, but paper never refused ink I suppose and the race to find some clever smarmy remarks to slag off Rochford came first over offering any reasonable analysis.

danganabu

Blackjack wrote: »

Not sure that "getting away with it" would be what I'd call it. It was more the rush by certain sections of the media to denigrate Rochford for his decisions and also the lauding of Donaghy for the phantom 2-6 he had "a hand in" per Brolly was more of an annoyance and showed the imbalance and media bias. As for the "having a hand in" it seems being near the ball on the same field of play was sufficient to lay a claim to that particular accolade, but paper never refused ink I suppose and the race to find some clever smarmy remarks to slag off Rochford came first over offering any reasonable analysis.

They had their mind made up before the game started that this was folly and doomed to fail and lets be honest when Brolly gets an opinion formed he ain't one for changing too readily.

BonnieSituation

Blackjack wrote: »

Not sure that "getting away with it" would be what I'd call it. It was more the rush by certain sections of the media to denigrate Rochford for his decisions and also the lauding of Donaghy for the phantom 2-6 he had "a hand in" per Brolly was more of an annoyance and showed the imbalance and media bias. As for the "having a hand in" it seems being near the ball on the same field of play was sufficient to lay a claim to that particular accolade, but paper never refused ink I suppose and the race to find some clever smarmy remarks to slag off Rochford came first over offering any reasonable analysis.

In fairness he does. Especially in comparison to some of the crap spouted about Rochford this year and last.

Stationmaster

Lads I have 2 decent Cusack Stand tickets for the football final to swap for 2 box or premium seats for hurling final if anyone is interested. Send me a PM. Sound.

BonnieSituation

Stationmaster wrote: »

Lads I have 2 decent Cusack Stand tickets for the football final to swap for 2 box or premium seats for hurling final if anyone is interested. Send me a PM. Sound.

Best bet would be to go into the Hurling thread.

Westernyelp

Caff had the bib off but the switched to Kirby when paddy got the red

And caff came on a little later

Stationmaster

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Best bet would be to go into the Hurling thread.

I have 2 football tickets and I'm looking for hurling tickets?! I would have thought Dublin/Mayo fans would be looking for football ones and might be able to get hurling ones easier in order to swap.

km79

Stationmaster wrote: »

I have 2 football tickets and I'm looking for hurling tickets?! I would have thought Dublin/Mayo fans would be looking for football ones and might be able to get hurling ones easier in order to swap.

Be nearly worth starting up a swap thread imo