Men who inspire you to age well

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Examples that come to mind would be Jason Statham, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Dylan McDermott, Keanu Reeves, Billy Idol (sort of), and Will Smith. Perhaps Will Smith doesn't count as much, because he's black and black people age better anyway! Before you give your own examples, google these guys if the name doesn't ring a bell.

These men are an inspiration to me as a young man. They're the sort that you kind of forget about their age. You'd be sitting there watching a movie or something for a while before you'd realise "hang on, how long has he been around?". You see most people are associated with an age - but these guys can sit with the oldies one moment (on a talk show or whatever it may be), and yet in another, they can be youthful & bathe in young pussy... or at least could if they wanted to. They've it both ways!

I loved the way when Graham Northon pointed out how Kenanu Reeves hadn't seemed to age, Kenau's reply was a strong "that is not true!" - and that's a good way to handle it, rather than saying "oh well what I do is, I eat X at 2pm every day...."

Oh and I nearly forgot; Robert Redford, even though he's a bit passed it now, but he was damn sexy at 60 in 'Up Close and Personal'!

Blacktie.

Inspire you to age well? I mean besides taking care of yourself to a decent degree it sounds like you're talking about just having good genes.

One eyed Jack

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...& bathe in young pussy...

Fcukin' 'ell mate :pac:

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AnneFrank

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Sorry but you won't be bathing in teen pussy unless you are rich and famous.

There's only one Anne Frank

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Anne Frank Nazi Hunter! wrote: »

Sorry but you won't be bathing in teen pussy unless you are rich and famous.

I didn't say teen, I said young!

Irish_rat

These lads have to watch what they eat and generally have to be very fit.

Makeup will help on screen too. Half the lads probably get botox as well as it's like going to the shop in America

Wibbs

Plus a fair few have "help". Botox as you say and cosmetic surgery(skin peels, hair transplants and the like) and especially various drug therapies like human growth hormone, testosterone replacement and other anabolics. No names, no pack drill, but a fair few older gentlemen in Hollywoodland are clearly on the juice. Which TBH I would have very little objection to. Within reason and reasonable doses. Hormone replacement therapy for men as it were.

In certain jurisdictions a guy can even get a doctor to sign off on that stuff, because of "low testosterone levels". Robbie Williams has come out and admitted he takes it. As he says in the article; “I went to get some HGH. It’s what all the old fellas are on out there in LA that's making them look 40 instead of 60. Though he was only 37 at the time.

So yeah, be careful of thinking some 60 year old rich famous guy who claimed he looks good on "clean living and exercise". It's far more likely he's getting extra help on top of that.

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Wibbs wrote: »

So yeah, be careful of thinking some 60 year old rich famous guy who claimed he looks good on "clean living and exercise". It's far more likely he's getting extra help on top of that.

I wasn't aware of that.

You'd think plastic surgery would look obvious, like with John Travolta and Courtney Cox. But regarding HGH, I definitely wasn't aware of it. Surely something like that is too good to be true - you'd think it would have long term consequences!

But most Hollywood celebs do look their age. The men I've mentioned are the rare few that I can think of that actually look so young. I wouldn't be inclined to think that any of the names I've mentioned have had actual surgery.

Good genetics and subtle surgical help are usually behind the good agers of either gender. Poor genetics can't be saved by surgery or fillers, people just wind up looking alien. Everybody grows old, money can soften the appearance but it can't stop it.

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Billy Idol too? You obviously can't be 100% certain... seeing as it's presumably all kept hush.

It must be scary putting your face in the hands of a surgeon! Courtney Cox must have been furious at what happened to her. I'd love to understand what these surgeons do? I mean what can they do for neck lines? They hardly inject botox into one's neck?

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Billy Idol too?

It must be scary putting your face in the hands of a surgeon! Courtney Cox must have been furious at what happened to her. I'd love to understand what these surgeons do? I mean what can they do for neck lines? They hardly inject botox into one's neck?

You can get a neck lift, or fillers into the rings, or both. If there's skin, there's a way of lifting it.

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I wasn't aware of that.

You'd think plastic surgery would look obvious, like with John Travolta and Courtney Cox. But regarding HGH, I definitely wasn't aware of it. Surely something like that is too good to be true - you'd think it would have long term consequences!

Good surgery doesn't look nearly so obvious. Face peels and the like. Plus men are allowed more wrinkles as it were. HGH and testosterone(and similar) would be pretty rampant. Not the massive doses of bodybuilder types, but more like bringing levels up to where they were when a man was say 25. Testosterone levels in fit healthy men with good genetics starts to drop after around 30, but by small amounts, like 1-2% a year. There isn't the sudden change like happens in women in menopause.

In healthy men. Many men as they age experience drop offs that are more severe, or have low enough levels to begin with. Robbie Williams apparently did. Such drops reflect all sorts of ageing issues. Lack of muscle tone, increased fat deposits, low libido, energy even psychological effects. The middle aged spread can be a side effect of such drops. Now diet and exercise and other lifestyle choices can certainly help raise levels, but not to the degree of getting back to the higher average of younger men. Check out guys like Sean Penn, or Mel Gibson. Both well past the flush of youth and... well they must have fantastic genetics...

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Not the massive doses of bodybuilder types, but more like bringing levels up to where they were when a man was say 25. Testosterone levels in fit healthy men with good genetics starts to drop after around 30, but by small amounts, like 1-2% a year.

So how come balding continues, as well as growth of the beard? Isn't a bald head the sign of testosterone?

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Many men as they age experience drop offs that are more severe, or have low enough levels to begin with. Robbie Williams apparently did.

I remember reading something about that many years back. It's kind of ironic, to think that a man who got so many ladies is LOW in testosterone. He was also a fine well built and healthy looking man, with masculine features

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HGH and testosterone(and similar) would be pretty rampant.

So that's all I've to do so? when I'm older! is to pay a good load of money and get myself some of it?! Great

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Is it for women too?

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So how come balding continues, as well as growth of the beard? Isn't a bald head the sign of testosterone?
I remember reading something about that many years back. It's kind of ironic, to think that a man who got so many ladies is LOW in testosterone. He was also a fine well built and healthy looking man, with masculine features
So that's all I've to do so? when I'm older! is to pay a good load of money and get myself some of it?! Great

Nah, the testosterone link is pop-science rubbish. It seems to have something to do with when testosterone is breaking down but whether you have loads or little testosterone it'll be enough when broken down to cause baldness.

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It'd be funny to see a 30 year old looking man walking with the frailness of a 70 year old!

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Wibbs wrote: »

Plus a fair few have "help". Botox as you say and cosmetic surgery(skin peels, hair transplants and the like) and especially various drug therapies like human growth hormone, testosterone replacement and other anabolics. No names, no pack drill, but a fair few older gentlemen in Hollywoodland are clearly on the juice. Which TBH I would have very little objection to. Within reason and reasonable doses. Hormone replacement therapy for men as it were.

In certain jurisdictions a guy can even get a doctor to sign off on that stuff, because of "low testosterone levels". Robbie Williams has come out and admitted he takes it. As he says in the article; “I went to get some HGH. It’s what all the old fellas are on out there in LA that's making them look 40 instead of 60. Though he was only 37 at the time.

So yeah, be careful of thinking some 60 year old rich famous guy who claimed he looks good on "clean living and exercise". It's far more likely he's getting extra help on top of that.

Joe Rogan, for example, gets testosterone replacement. He gets his testosterone level replenished to the same level it was when he was around 27.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMvMP6qJ8k

Wibbs

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So how come balding continues, as well as growth of the beard? Isn't a bald head the sign of testosterone?

Nope. A bald 20 year old man could have quite low testosterone. It's how your hair follicles are genetically predisposed to being weakened by testosterone. For example in eunuchs in India older ones can still suffer from thinning hair and male pattern baldness, even though they have no testicles. It would delay balding in a man prone to it, but it'll still happen.

I remember reading something about that many years back. It's kind of ironic, to think that a man who got so many ladies is LOW in testosterone. He was also a fine well built and healthy looking man, with masculine features

The look of a man can give little enough indication of low testosterone. It again depends on how his body responds to it. This can vary a lot*. On a personal note I have higher than average testosterone discovered in medical tests years ago. I'm thin, no muscle to speak of, not particularly physically strong, beard hair grows very slow(though I could grow a full beard by 16 and my voice broke before any of my classmates). The only effect I can see is that I stayed lean and never got the middle aged spread common among my peers, my skin seems thicker(fewer wrinkles) and have higher than average bone density even though I don't exercise.

In any such "age improving" drug regime the individual's needs would have to be very carefully adjusted.


*Aside it's why I take issue with drug cheats in sport. The idea that "sure if they're all taking the same drugs, then the winning results would be in the same order" doesn't work like that. Some people are better responders than others and get greater results from the same doses than others.

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Wibbs wrote: »

Nope. A bald 20 year old man could have quite low testosterone. It's how your hair follicles are genetically predisposed to being weakened by testosterone. For example in eunuchs in India older ones can still suffer from thinning hair and male pattern baldness, even though they have no testicles. It would delay balding in a man prone to it, but it'll still happen.

The look of a man can give little enough indication of low testosterone. It again depends on how his body responds to it. This can vary a lot*. On a personal note I have higher than average testosterone discovered in medical tests years ago. I'm thin, no muscle to speak of, not particularly physically strong, beard hair grows very slow(though I could grow a full beard by 16 and my voice broke before any of my classmates). The only effect I can see is that I stayed lean and never got the middle aged spread common among my peers, my skin seems thicker(fewer wrinkles) and have higher than average bone density even though I don't exercise.

In any such "age improving" drug regime the individual's needs would have to be very carefully adjusted.


*Aside it's why I take issue with drug cheats in sport. The idea that "sure if they're all taking the same drugs, then the winning results would be in the same order" doesn't work like that. Some people are better responders than others and get greater results from the same doses than others.

I'm 28 and I've the beard of an 18 year old. This doesn't confirm I'm low in testosterone though, does it?

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Wibbs wrote: »

Plus a fair few have "help". Botox as you say and cosmetic surgery(skin peels, hair transplants and the like) and especially various drug therapies like human growth hormone, testosterone replacement and other anabolics. No names, no pack drill, but a fair few older gentlemen in Hollywoodland are clearly on the juice. Which TBH I would have very little objection to. Within reason and reasonable doses. Hormone replacement therapy for men as it were.

So, wear yourself out and deplete the auld hormones... then just pop into your GP, and get a top up??

Doesn't really sound like a positive aging message to me. More like a licence to run your body into the ground, and then get a quick fix solution!

Positive aging is more about accepting that your hormones are going to naturally drop... instead of trying to artificially maintain the hormone levels of a 20 year old, when you're 50.

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ThinkProgress wrote: »

instead of trying to artificially maintain the hormone levels of a 20 year old, when you're 50.

could you not have at least said 25, or even 21? but 20! now I feel old.

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I guess I just don't really believe in taking shortcuts, where health is concerned...

I don't think you get the same results anyway. I know some older guys who are using "enhancements"... many of them just don't look right to me. I can spot genuine health, that comes from consistency and years of dedication, from the fake enhanced kind.

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A heart bypass, is a surgical intervention to stop you dying... just like gastric bypass surgery. It's not really part of a healthy aging plan. (more like you didn't have a plan, or your plan didn't work very well)

Most people start out in life with fairly solid health. But their priorities get messed up by societal pressure in various ways.

Rather than being reactive, by patching people back together after they've messed their bodies up... we should look to be more proactive as a society, by learning lessons and getting better at pre-empting these issues!

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But you don't need good health to be dedicated!

Wibbs

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I'm 28 and I've the beard of an 18 year old. This doesn't confirm I'm low in testosterone though, does it?

Unlikely P, just as a bald man with a huge hipster beard that grows like a weed doesn't mean high testosterone. Really the only way to tell is with a blood test.

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So, wear yourself out and deplete the auld hormones... then just pop into your GP, and get a top up??

Doesn't really sound like a positive aging message to me. More like a licence to run your body into the ground, and then get a quick fix solution!

Not really. Nothing about "wearing yourself out" for a start. More like maintaining a younger hormonal profile. Who objects if women choose to have HRT? Pretty much nobody. I'd have a broadly similar approach to "topping up" male hormone profiles. As I said I don't mean munching roids like a greased up permatanned pro bodybuilder. That kinda plan takes far higher doses in rotating cycles than a maintenance dose matching a man in his 20's and likely to do all sorts of damage, including the risk of growing breast tissue because of aromatisation.

Never mind that for all a man might do to keep healthy he could be one of the unlucky ones whose hormone profile falls off a cliff when entering middle age, whereas his couch potato mate might be fine. It's common enough that some researchers have labeled it the "manopause". That's still controversial, but there is enough evidence that something is happening in western men. Diet, environment*, hard to say. Looking at hunter gatherer types their profiles drop at a noticeably slower rate.



*I'd personally be looking at things like the "false" oestrogens in our environment, from plastics and even some foods. Soya an obvious one. I wouldn't touch that stuff with someone else bargepole. As a man anyway, seems to have a positive effect in women.

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Wibbs wrote: »

That's still controversial, but there is enough evidence that something is happening in western men. Diet, environment*, hard to say. Looking at hunter gatherer types their profiles drop at a noticeably slower rate.

Well I higher doubt the Irish government will mention that in their so "5 year plan to tackle cancer and diabetes". God it's funny to hear what their plans are, when they can't just come out and say "to all the working class, don't drink so much coke and lucozade"

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I'd personally be looking at things like the "false" oestrogens in our environment, from plastics and even some foods. Soya an obvious one. I wouldn't touch that stuff with someone else bargepole. As a man anyway, seems to have a positive effect in women.

Yep, I don't eat tinned foods for example. As far as I know though, the plastic bottles (triangles 1 & 2) are relatively safe!

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Shouldn't they be taking estrogen if we're taking testosterone?

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Not really. Nothing about "wearing yourself out" for a start. More like maintaining a younger hormonal profile. Who objects if women choose to have HRT? Pretty much nobody. I'd have a broadly similar approach to "topping up" male hormone profiles. As I said I don't mean munching roids like a greased up permatanned pro bodybuilder. That kinda plan takes far higher doses in rotating cycles than a maintenance dose matching a man in his 20's and likely to do all sorts of damage, including the risk of growing breast tissue because of aromatisation.

But were we supposed to have younger hormone profiles, when we're not young anymore? Is that not a question worth thinking about?

Let's assume you keep yourself in great shape as you age, keep the weight off, maintain good fitness levels... etc etc... do you advocate "topping up" for these individuals too? Even if they feel perfectly fine, and don't have any major health issues?

If yes - why? If not - why?

Never mind that for all a man might do to keep healthy he could be one of the unlucky ones whose hormone profile falls off a cliff when entering middle age, whereas his couch potato mate might be fine. It's common enough that some researchers have labeled it the "manopause". That's still controversial, but there is enough evidence that something is happening in western men. Diet, environment*, hard to say. Looking at hunter gatherer types their profiles drop at a noticeably slower rate.

Of course, I would agree that there are some people that genuinely have a medical issue... regardless of how well they might live their life.

But, I don't really buy into the American idea that most older males should be supplementing with hormones... I think that's their pill popping culture. I don't think their relationship with drugs or the drug industry is a healthy one tbh... pharma or recreational.

*I'd personally be looking at things like the "false" oestrogens in our environment, from plastics and even some foods. Soya an obvious one. I wouldn't touch that stuff with someone else bargepole. As a man anyway, seems to have a positive effect in women.

It's a big conspiracy... the feminazis I tells ya!! :pac::pac:

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ThinkProgress wrote: »

But, I don't really buy into the American idea that most older males should be supplementing with hormones... I think that's their pill popping culture. I don't think their relationship with drugs or the drug industry is a healthy one tbh... pharma or recreational.

Absolutely. It's what resulted in Tiger Woods' recent arrest.

But if you're taking small amounts of testosterone in your 40s, just enough to get your levels up to close to where they were at when you were, say 27, then isn't that something that the body should be able to handle. Is there a side effect to this? Does it put pressure on the liver/kidneys or something? I don't know.

I look after myself anyway, so I might end up considering it far in the future.

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Robbie Williams has come out and admitted he takes it. As he says in the article; “I went to get some HGH. It’s what all the old fellas are on out there in LA that's making them look 40 instead of 60. Though he was only 37 at the time.

I wonder did he have ED?!

Wibbs

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But were we supposed to have younger hormone profiles, when we're not young anymore? Is that not a question worth thinking about?

Certainly. More research into the long term effects of keeping a younger hormonal profile as we age is warranted. In one regard athletes who use banned drugs are a good sample group to look at. They take far higher doses of all sorts of stuff than would be taken in a maintenance type regime. Bodybuilders have higher instances of heart and liver damage for example, but generally it seems longevity isn't particularly affected. Some combinations may increase same. Of particular interest might be the mechanism of insulin in the body. In studies of extremely long lived individuals many lifestyle variables come into play. So you can have 100+ year olds who were smokers and drinkers, some thin, some fat etc, but one commonality is that they all keep the insulin profiles and responses of much younger people. The restricted calorie diet which increases longevity in every species so far looked at(inc our own) mimics such a profile. Even more recently it has been found that a drug used in type 2 diabetes shows strong anti ageing properties.

Some have concerns about testosterone and prostate health and risk of cancer. On the one hand testosterone makes prostate cancer grow when present, but on the other hand men with higher natural testosterone throughout life have lower risks. One bit of research showed a correlation between the number of orgasms per week and the risk of prostate cancer. Basically the more orgasms throughout life the lower the risk. The mechanism for this was explained along the lines of more movement of seminal fluid meant any dodgy cells were flushed more regularly, but it might be that men with higher testosterone will have higher libidos and therefore will want to have more orgasms. Plus higher libido would be more likely in men who were also more fit overall.

Let's assume you keep yourself in great shape as you age, keep the weight off, maintain good fitness levels... etc etc... do you advocate "topping up" for these individuals too? Even if they feel perfectly fine, and don't have any major health issues?

If such regimes lengthen lives, or even more make longer lives more healthy and in less need of other medical attention, then why not?

But, I don't really buy into the American idea that most older males should be supplementing with hormones... I think that's their pill popping culture. I don't think their relationship with drugs or the drug industry is a healthy one tbh... pharma or recreational.

Oh it's not. Even pick up an American origin magazine and their ad space tends to be chock full of pills for every ill(followed by a separate page outlining how said meds may cause willie droop and monsterism ). This goes triple for any science type magazine. On that alone the culture looks like one of rampant hypochondria. Though in a culture of industrialised and extremely expensive medicine I suppose it makes sense to be a bit of a hypochondriac(though the French and Spanish make Americans look like amateurs).

Still we are already a medically augmented species. I've never had an antibiotic and the only vaccination I received was for polio, but outside some cults and hippie types I'd be very much a rarity in the West. We're living longer healthier(in general) lives because of medical intervention. Hell people are making it out of childhood at much higher rates than a century ago.

The next step, which is already happening, will be at the level of not just treating illnesses, but augmenting our health and longevity at a deeper level. Immortality is essentially an engineering problem. I can easily imagine in a thousand years time(if not sooner) people routinely living for centuries. If they choose to of course, as such lifespans bring all sorts of non medical issues.

It's a big conspiracy... the feminazis I tells ya!! :pac::pac:

Wibbs

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I wonder did he have ED?!

Quite likely and he did say his libido was on the floor. He lost interest in sex. There can be all sorts of reasons for that, but low test would be one.

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Back to the original topic, Frank Grillo looks incredible for a guy his age, though he was a bodybuilder/model in his younger days.

I mean this guy is 52 - just think, in your own mind, what the average 52 year old looks like. I'm sure he uses HGH and has had some work done but there's only so far that can take you at the same time and it's subtle.

This is from the 2016 season of Kingdom so he was probably about 50 in this scene:

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I mean this guy is 52 - just think, in your own mind, what the average 52 year old looks like. I'm sure he uses HGH and has had some work done but there's only so far that can take you at the same time and it's subtle.

Definitely

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I mean this guy is 52 - just think, in your own mind, what the average 52 year old looks like. I'm sure he uses HGH and has had some work done but there's only so far that can take you at the same time and it's subtle.

Well... not so much. He's a handsome man outa the box, got good hair genes(though overdone with the dye) and he clearly puts real effort into his physical appearance/health, but show me any 52 year old with that level of muscle definition and bulk that hasn't had chemical help and he will be an extreme rarity. You still have to put the work in. That is not in doubt, but chemical help makes a huge difference.

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Well... not so much. He's a handsome man outa the box, got good hair genes(though overdone with the dye) and he clearly puts real effort into his physical appearance/health, but show me any 52 year old with that level of muscle definition and bulk that hasn't had chemical help and he will be an extreme rarity. You still have to put the work in. That is not in doubt, but chemical help makes a huge difference.

Hang on, how can you say that he isn't on it, when you sort implied Billy Idol and Keanu were on it. He's probably in better shape than them! You'd have to be an expert!

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Pete Townshend looks like a fine old man!

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Hang on, how can you say that he isn't on it,

I didn't. I said "show me any 52 year old with that level of muscle definition and bulk that hasn't had chemical help and he will be an extreme rarity". And I do mean extreme.

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Well... not so much. He's a handsome man outa the box, got good hair genes(though overdone with the dye) and he clearly puts real effort into his physical appearance/health, but show me any 52 year old with that level of muscle definition and bulk that hasn't had chemical help and he will be an extreme rarity. You still have to put the work in. That is not in doubt, but chemical help makes a huge difference.

I for got to read the second 'that' in your sentence.

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What about Julian McMahon? He's natural right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3940578/Julian-McMahon-takes-dip-wife-Kelly-Paniagua-Gold-Coast-beach-shoots-rocks-70s-style-moustache-new-film-Flammable-Children.html

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