VW 1.4TSI, ACT or no ACT

kooga

Good afternoon

So VW confirmed that the 1.5tsi engine will not be available in the mark 7.5 golf in Ireland which leads me onto the following predicament.

first of all I question whether I could live with the 1.0tsi engine in the new Golf, what's putting me off changing is that the 1.4 tsi engine in the mark 7.5 is in essence an old engine with no ACT therefore emissions and consumption are higher, yet in the previous Mark 7 the 1.4 tsi had ACT and thus lower emissions and a cheaper road tax €200 v €270.

Looking to change my 2008 GTI but cant really justify a new one for the amount of driving I do. would love a golf highline but feel the 1.0 tsi is a bit underpowered and the 1.4 a bit of a dinosaur.

In hindsight I should of opted for a last run out mark 7 1.4 highline earlier in the year!!!

Any thoughts, ideas comments please.

Thanks

bazz26

Just buy a new Honda Civic with the 1.5 litre turbo unit and 180bhp? Controversial styling might be a deal breaker though if the conservative lines of the Golf are your thing.

kooga

Believe it or not I was looking at them online yesterday fully loaded 1.5 €32k

mloc123

kooga wrote: »

Good afternoon

So VW confirmed that the 1.5tsi engine will not be available in the mark 7.5 golf in Ireland which leads me onto the following predicament.

first of all I question whether I could live with the 1.0tsi engine in the new Golf, what's putting me off changing is that the 1.4 tsi engine in the mark 7.5 is in essence an old engine with no ACT therefore emissions and consumption are higher, yet in the previous Mark 7 the 1.4 tsi had ACT and thus lower emissions and a cheaper road tax €200 v €270.

Looking to change my 2008 GTI but cant really justify a new one for the amount of driving I do. would love a golf highline but feel the 1.0 tsi is a bit underpowered and the 1.4 a bit of a dinosaur.

In hindsight I should of opted for a last run out mark 7 1.4 highline earlier in the year!!!

Any thoughts, ideas comments please.

Thanks

70e a year is a deal breaker?

kooga

mloc123 wrote: »

70e a year is a deal breaker?

no its not.

I am curious as to why the more modern 1.4 engine is not being used in the new model.

and

disappointed that the 1.5tsi engine is not coming to ireland

mloc123

kooga wrote: »

no its not.

I am curious as to why the more modern 1.4 engine is not being used in the new model.

and

disappointed that the 1.5tsi engine is not coming to ireland

I would think your second point answers the first. At a guess I presume VW are offering the old 1.4 as budget option and the new 1.5 instead of the 1.4ACT.

VW must be aiming the 1.4 at trendline budget spec buyers here. I suspect the 1.5 will end up here at some point.

kooga

mloc123 wrote: »

I would think your second point answers the first. At a guess I presume VW are offering the old 1.4 as budget option and the new 1.5 instead of the 1.4ACT.

VW must be aiming the 1.4 at trendline budget spec buyers here. I suspect the 1.5 will end up here at some point.

The 1.4 in the mark 7.5 is only available in highline trim and is priced at €1,600 more than the 1.0 tsi.

I am only interested in the highline spec...............and as you say if the 1.5tsi did come in I would be annoyed if I had forked out on the 1.4.

jca

What's ACT?

Toyotafanboi

Active cylinder technology. Shutting down 2 of the 4 cylinders during certain driving conditions for better economy.

colm_mcm

My punto did that when it rained.

Ron Burgundy II

Are the 1.4 ACT engines giving any trouble? Could this be the reason why VW reverted to the 1.4 non act?

bazz26

I'd imagine it's a cost v demand thing. The non ACT engine probably costs less to produce and when you take our small market and low demand for petrol engines VW see the non ACT 1.4 TSi as being suitable given that the majority of people here will see the 1.0 TSi as sufficient. Remember 1.4 TSi sales here compared to the 1.2 TSi in the Mk7 were very low anyway.

DaveyDave

bazz26 wrote: »

I'd imagine it's a cost v demand thing. The non ACT engine probably costs less to produce and when you take our small market and low demand for petrol engines VW see the non ACT 1.4 TSi as being suitable given that the majority of people here will see the 1.0 TSi as sufficient. Remember 1.4 TSi sales here compared to the 1.2 TSi in the Mk7 were very low anyway.

Surely they could still continue to have it as an option though? If the sales were poor here it's not like they're going to have to stop the engine all together, it's still being made for other territories. Is there really anything lost by them sending a few our way along with the other ones being made for the rest of Europe? Assuming some other countries are actually still getting the 1.4TSI ACT.

bazz26

There is a bit more to it than just sending a few our way. Afaik manufacturers or at least some, dedicate certain parts of their factory assembly lines to building for certain countries/markets. If the section of the assembly line for Ireland the tooling may no longer have been viable or justifiable to build a small number of variants to accommodate an engine that sells here in such small numbers. There could be other reasons too including the decision was made at a corporate level.

jca

Does the 3 cylinder 1 litre have ACT? Very hard to find info on this engine anywhere.

DaveyDave

Just had a look on the VW page at the Golf and it mentions ACT on the Efficiency tab. It doesn't specify ACT on any of the engines though nor does the product guide list anything other than BMT but that's even listed on the 1.0 which is a 3 cylinder.

The salesperson told me about ACT when I was test driving a 1.4 but that was a MK7. I guess you'd have to ask but you run the risk of the salesperson being wrong?

bazz26 wrote: »

There is a bit more to it than just sending a few our way. Afaik manufacturers or at least some, dedicate certain parts of their factory assembly lines to building for certain countries/markets. If the section of the assembly line for Ireland the tooling may no longer have been viable or justifiable to build a small number of variants to accommodate an engine that sells here in such small numbers. There could be other reasons too including the decision was made at a corporate level.

To be honest I haven't a clue how the factories work, other than taking two weeks off in the Summer making everyone wait longer for their shiny new 172 :P

jca wrote: »

Does the 3 cylinder 1 litre have ACT? Very hard to find info on this engine anywhere.

No, only the 1.4 as it's 4 cylinder.

kirving

It's not just the build scheduling I wouldn't say, as we just get lumped in with the UK for the most part. Decision probably made at a more general level.

Simplifies the range, easier to sell and contrast between models, less warranty to support down the line. I wonder how much of an issue it is for VW to certify a new model for sale? Probably no point if they only sell 10 or 20.

Wildcard7

Cant really add anything to the topic but i drove the 1.4 with act in an automatic seat leon estate recently (rental). I got almost 900km out of one tank and the thing drives beautifully. No idea why they dont put it in the golf, it's a fantastic engine.

wonski

I remember that 1.4 had a lot of issues and fixes applied since its introduction have not fixed some of the issues.

More to do with longevity rather than reliability iirc.

Something to check before committing to that particular engine.

Ron Burgundy II

wonski wrote: »

I remember that 1.4 had a lot of issues and fixes applied since its introduction have not fixed some of the issues.

More to do with longevity rather than reliability iirc.

Something to check before committing to that particular engine.

Are you referring to the older 1.4tsi which had issues with the supercharger and turbo falling out of sync? I didn't hear many issues on the current 1.4tsi with ACT.

Ron Burgundy II

Wildcard7 wrote: »

Cant really add anything to the topic but i drove the 1.4 with act in an automatic seat leon estate recently (rental). I got almost 900km out of one tank and the thing drives beautifully. No idea why they dont put it in the golf, it's a fantastic engine.

I have this engine in my golf and my range is circa 600km. Maybe the dsg box helps with consumption?

Wildcard7

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

I have this engine in my golf and my range is circa 600km. Maybe the dsg box helps with consumption?

Maybe the Leon ST has a bigger tank? I don't remember the size of the tank nor the average consumption (I *think* it was around 5.5l/100km). It was about 50% motorway and 50% backroads in Switzerland (so plenty of uphill/downhill/tight corners).

kooga

I happened to bump into Declan Colley from the irish Examiner last week as he was test driving the mark 7.5 1.4tsi highline and so I sent another email to VW -

That is very disappointing that this new cleaner engine will not be available in the Irish market.

Related to this can I ask why the 1.4 tsi engine in the mark 7.5 golf does not have ACT as per the 1.4 engine in the outgoing model.

Why would a newer model not have the more advanced engine.

As an existing VW customer this again is extremely disappointing. Yesterday in Cork I met Declan Colley the motoring journalist in the Irish Examiner who is currently test driving the new model golf 1.4tsi white with the R line pack. I put those questions to him and he said he would make some enquiries with VW.

reply from VW today

Thank you for your response.

Your disappointment has been noted and I have passed it on to the relevant department for future model consideration.

Unfortunately, ACT is only available on the 1.5 tsi engines which we do not currently offer. I discussed this further with my product team and they have confirmed plans to introduce the 1.5tsi engine to our market place however, they could not share a time line. Please keep an eye on our website as further details will be published there once available.

so maybe January 2018 delivery!!

grogi

wonski wrote: »

I remember that 1.4 had a lot of issues and fixes applied since its introduction have not fixed some of the issues.

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Are the 1.4 ACT engines giving any trouble? Could this be the reason why VW reverted to the 1.4 non act?

No. The 1.4 150bhp ACT is actually a very good unit. It's the n-th iteration of the engine and all the problems were already figured out.

Pacifico

kooga wrote: »

I happened to bump into Declan Colley from the irish Examiner last week as he was test driving the mark 7.5 1.4tsi highline and so I sent another email to VW -

That is very disappointing that this new cleaner engine will not be available in the Irish market.

Related to this can I ask why the 1.4 tsi engine in the mark 7.5 golf does not have ACT as per the 1.4 engine in the outgoing model.

Why would a newer model not have the more advanced engine.

As an existing VW customer this again is extremely disappointing. Yesterday in Cork I met Declan Colley the motoring journalist in the Irish Examiner who is currently test driving the new model golf 1.4tsi white with the R line pack. I put those questions to him and he said he would make some enquiries with VW.

reply from VW today

Thank you for your response.

Your disappointment has been noted and I have passed it on to the relevant department for future model consideration.

Unfortunately, ACT is only available on the 1.5 tsi engines which we do not currently offer. I discussed this further with my product team and they have confirmed plans to introduce the 1.5tsi engine to our market place however, they could not share a time line. Please keep an eye on our website as further details will be published there once available.

so maybe January 2018 delivery!!

Hopefully not that soon...have a 1.4 HL on order...!!

kooga

Pacifico wrote: »

Hopefully not that soon...have a 1.4 HL on order...!!

well wear, what colour options did you go far.

the test car I saw was white 4 door with r line exterior kit and 18"s.

Pacifico

Thanks! Just looking again on the specs of the 1.5L here: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/which-model-compare/details/2819#!#tech-spec

Fuel consumption per 100km is combined 5.1L vs 5.3L on the 1.4L TSI. Co2 is slightly lower too at 116 vs 121 but no a major difference.

Ah didn't go mad on the options! Went for the tech pack, keyless and black pearl effect. Delivery is still 8-9 weeks away and ordered 23/06!! Saw a 172 "peacock green" comfortline around here...not a great looking color imo!

bazz26

Sounds like they have a number of 1.4 TSi engines already in stock that they need gone before they bring the 1.5 TSi here.

Toyotafanboi

I think that that green is a grower. Seen it on a few Golfs and thought it was shocking but as time goes by I'm warning to it, seen it on a few Beetles too and it looks very at home.

kooga

bazz26 wrote: »

Sounds like they have a number of 1.4 TSi engines already in stock that they need gone before they bring the 1.5 TSi here.

i'll be waiting then as the 1.4 tsi is a slow seller mostly 1.2 in the mark 7 or 1.0 in the mark 7.5

live in hope

DaveyDave

Pacifico wrote: »

Thanks! Just looking again on the specs of the 1.5L here: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/which-model-compare/details/2819#!#tech-spec

Fuel consumption per 100km is combined 5.1L vs 5.3L on the 1.4L TSI. Co2 is slightly lower too at 116 vs 121 but no a major difference.

Ah didn't go mad on the options! Went for the tech pack, keyless and black pearl effect. Delivery is still 8-9 weeks away and ordered 23/06!! Saw a 172 "peacock green" comfortline around here...not a great looking color imo!

Sorry this thread is a few days old but I was just wondering if you had an update on your delivery date? I ordered on the 30/05 but had to provide supporting bank statement so I think it wasn't ordered until the first week of June. Recently I was told it will be the end of September, which would be 16 weeks. Ordered a 1.0 DSG Highline with tech pack, keyless and park assist. Nothing that would delay the build like leather seats as the dealer says. Waiting to hear back after he was to email VW to see what the story was.

Was hoping to have it end of August but looks unlikely

bazz26

Doesn't the VW factory shut for 2 weeks holidays in either July or August?

Pacifico

DaveyDave wrote: »

Sorry this thread is a few days old but I was just wondering if you had an update on your delivery date? I ordered on the 30/05 but had to provide supporting bank statement so I think it wasn't ordered until the first week of June. Recently I was told it will be the end of September, which would be 16 weeks. Ordered a 1.0 DSG Highline with tech pack, keyless and park assist. Nothing that would delay the build like leather seats as the dealer says. Waiting to hear back after he was to email VW to see what the story was.

Was hoping to have it end of August but looks unlikely

Last delivery date I got was 11th of September...ordered on the 21/06.

But yeah the factory closes for a good while in August i think!

Elessar

OP I think you are seriously going to be disappointed going from a ~200bhp 2.0L GTI to a 1.4L regular Golf. I made a similar buying decision a few years back and seriously regretted it. I sold the (brand new) golf after a year and went back to the better car. Don't be blinkered by the newness of it all as I was!

If you can't justify a new GTI what about a Mk7 GTI a few years old?

jeremyr62

Zombie thread alert. I just enquired about this too. I have a 2014 ACT 1.4 Highline. I have been patiently waiting for a the 1.5ACT to be introduced but no, this is not going to happen I am told. No plans at the moment. Not only that, the Mk7.5 has an older engine design than the one I have. Blimey, VW must be mad.

DaveyDave

jeremyr62 wrote: »

Zombie thread alert. I just enquired about this too. I have a 2014 ACT 1.4 Highline. I have been patiently waiting for a the 1.5ACT to be introduced but no, this is not going to happen I am told. No plans at the moment. Not only that, the Mk7.5 has an older engine design than the one I have. Blimey, VW must be mad.

They've no problem putting it in the A3 which is what annoys me. The best selling car in the country doesn't get it. That's a lot of new cars on Irish roads without the new engine. It's pretty lame if you ask me.

Stallingrad

Just out of interest we have a Passat 1.4tsi 125bhp and a Superb 1.4tsi DSG Act 150bhp.

The Superb while being faster is more economical of the two, 6.2l/100 v 7.4l/100.

Casati

DaveyDave wrote: »

They've no problem putting it in the A3 which is what annoys me. The best selling car in the country doesn't get it. That's a lot of new cars on Irish roads without the new engine. It's pretty lame if you ask me.

Wonder if the price difference to the A3 is much? What other cars have that engine?

kooga

its in the new Ibiza €21,380 150bhp not the 130bhp in FR spec only

Casati

kooga wrote: »

its in the new Ibiza €21,380 150bhp not the 130bhp in FR spec only

That yoke must be a flyer

DaveyDave

Interesting, the Leon doesn't have it. SE spec has the 1.2 110hp and the Xcellence and FR spec have the 1.4 125hp.

Same with the Octavia, 1.2 115bhp.

jeremyr62

The UK has all the new VW engine specs for the 1.5ACT. A 129hp model that shuts off completely on the overun, DSG only though, and the 1.5ACT 148hp model. And we go backwards.

grogi

jca wrote: »

Does the 3 cylinder 1 litre have ACT? Very hard to find info on this engine anywhere.

I don't think so. It would be extremely unpleasant working on two (or one?!) cylinder only.

jca

grogi wrote: »

I don't think so. It would be extremely unpleasant working on two (or one?!) cylinder only.

Yea I'd say your correct although I'd imagine ACT is slightly more sophisticated than your mk4 cortina with a knackered camshaft knocking out cylinder No.4

grogi

jca wrote: »

Yea I'd say your correct although I'd imagine ACT is slightly more sophisticated than your mk4 cortina with a knackered camshaft knocking out cylinder No.4

The sophistication lays in the fact that knackering happens on demand

jca

grogi wrote: »

The sophistication lays in the fact that knackering happens on demand

You do know I was joking, do You?

jeremyr62

I just get the feeling we are being gouged in a big way. The 1.5ACT is in the new T-ROC but I have no interest in a faux SUV.
I expect it will turn up in the Golf someday when all the crappy 1.4 variants are used up.

DaveyDave

Is there just a corner of the VW warehouse full of old 1.4 allocated to Ireland or something? Whatever about the cars from stock having the old engine but if you go to order a new Golf it will be built 3 months from now, I'm assuming they would be already built 1.4 engines waiting in a shelf. Surely they wouldn't be wasting resources building 1.4s now?

Then again the 85hp engine with the 5 speed is still a thing, it mustn't be an issue for their manufacturing. I would have thought they'd want to streamline it as much as possible but they're still throwing all sorts of engines around for us, and it gets worse with Skoda and Seat in terms of defragmentation. The Ibiza and A3 get the 1.5 but the Golf, Octavia and Leon don't?

I know nothing of their factories so I don't know what dictates why it's backwards here, could it be the suits at VW Ireland didn't think we need it, just like how we don't need deadlocks like the UK?

Casati

I know nothing of their factories so I don't know what dictates why it's backwards here, could it be the suits at VW Ireland didn't think we need it, just like how we don't need deadlocks like the UK?[/quote]

That's it. The 1.5 is available elsewhere across most ranges but VW Ireland call the shots. Loads of examples of this over the years, e.g. 2.0 Tsi 220bhp not available here in A3's or Superbs

grogi

Casati wrote: »

I know nothing of their factories so I don't know what dictates why it's backwards here, could it be the suits at VW Ireland didn't think we need it, just like how we don't need deadlocks like the UK?

That's it. The 1.5 is available elsewhere across most ranges but VW Ireland call the shots.

1.4 is probably much cheaper. That and fact that petrols hardly sell, they simply don't care.

Casati wrote: »

Loads of examples of this over the years, e.g. 2.0 Tsi 220bhp not available here in A3's or Superbs

But that's a different story - petrol in executives don't sell, because the VAT cannot be claimed back.

Casati

grogi wrote: »

That's it. The 1.5 is available elsewhere across most ranges but VW Ireland call the shots.

1.4 is probably much cheaper. That and fact that petrols hardly sell, they simply don't care.



But that's a different story - petrol in executives don't sell, because the VAT cannot be claimed back.[/quote]

That doesn't explain why they sell the 280ps Superb, surely the 220ps would find more buyers as it would be a good 5k cheaper

Why they offer a TDI Leon with 184bhp but max power in the TDI A3 is 150bhp ? I think the engine decisions are v odd