Is there anybody else who dislikes pride?

AllForIt

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That is a good distinction to make but it does not _always_ hold true. Interracial heterosexuals for example quite often experience just as much ridicule abuse and violence as you describe.

Not just that but any heterosexual couple where one of them is deemed to below modern standards of attractiveness can draw the same.

A close friend of mine is deeply in love and in a long term relationship with a woman who most people would consider very obese. He loves her and is as attracted to her as any of us are to our own partners. But he and she sometimes suffer no small quantity of abuse and ridicule when they engage in any level of PDA.

Another example is a person I _was_ friends with but lost contact with over time. He had a girlfriend somewhat younger than him. But she also looked younger than she was and he older than he was which exacerbated the visual difference in age. You can imagine the style of language and attitude and even violence they on occasion drew.

So homosexuals do not have a monopoly on the kind of bigotry we are all too aware of here in the gay and bi community. Many heterosexuals get it too and do not get to live somehow free of judgement in a world rife with bigotry.

"Pride" may be done by and done for homosexuals but I see it myself as a greater statement - and being the M in a non-standard MFF relationship it is a statement I can join in with to - which is that this is not just about homosexuals. It is about _all_ of us being able to take pride in loving the person or people we love - and not having to justify it to anyone just because it is not someone _they_ would want sexually or romantically.

Assuming we are not breaking any law - we all want to love who we love openly and without fear of judgement or derision just because someone else would make different decisions and feels ours should be theirs.

No one is saying homosexuals have a monopoly on bigotry. The examples you give have nothing to do with heterosexuality per-se, so i'm not quite sure what your point is other than anyone could be subject to all kinds of bigotry. I think we all know that already. In fact all the examples you give could also and does occur in a homosexual context as well, e.g. - a skinny gay young female dates and older overweight woman.

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

No one is saying homosexuals have a monopoly on bigotry.

Third time I have had to give this reply but - did I ever say they did?

I was making a simple point that what a user said earlier simply does not always hold true. Nothing more. I think people have been trying to find more to my point than that - even though nothing more was there to find.

gizmo81

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AllForIt wrote: »

No one is saying homosexuals have a monopoly on bigotry.

Third time I have had to give this reply but - did I ever say they did?

I was making a simple point that what a user said earlier simply does not always hold true. Nothing more. I think people have been trying to find more to my point than that - even though nothing more was there to find.

Straight couples experience racism sexism ageism . . .

LGBTQ+ couples experience homophobia transphobia racism sexism ageism . . .

Any couple is open to bigotry, however, no straight couple is discriminated because they are straight, they may experience racism, sexism and/or ageism and so on.

It's 24 years since the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Ireland.

How many years since heterosexuality was decriminalised?

I dunno - and as it has nothing to do with my point - I really have no intention to find out

bodice ripper

I have zero time for it. Were it as political as is often claimed, then I would. As it stands, its a vulgar street party.

gizmo81

bodice ripper wrote: »

I have zero time for it. Were it as political as is often claimed, then I would. As it stands, its a vulgar street party.

Save us from the Vulgarity!!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/in-pictures-the-dublin-pride-parade-1.3132874

bodice ripper

gizmo81 wrote:

Save us from the Vulgarity!!!

Like I said...

draiochtanois

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bingocat

I'm gay and I dont participate in Pride either.

Just because I'm gay it doesnt mean I view myself as part of any community just because of that.

gizmo81

bingocat wrote: »

I'm gay and I dont participate in Pride either.

Just because I'm gay it doesnt mean I view myself as part of any community just because of that.

Were you just born with the freedom to marry? To have sex? To love? Etc

Or did, Wilde, Milk, Heger, Shepard, Turing, Flynn and so on suffer so we don't have to?

You may not view yourself 'as any part of any community' but without that community you wouldn't have the rights you do.

Annasopra

bingocat wrote: »

I'm gay and I dont participate in Pride either.

Just because I'm gay it doesnt mean I view myself as part of any community just because of that.

Fair enough. I dont think anyone ever said pride or views on community are mandatory.