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Lions vs Highlanders

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    #242
    irishbucsfan
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    awec wrote: »
    Maybe he did lots of unseen work.

    Whether or not work goes unseen depends on who is watching, I guess.


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    #243
    Badabing
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    It'll be interesting to see if Sexton and Farrell both start on Saturday.


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    #244
    stephen_n
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Rhys Webb offers something that Murray doesn't have.

    What would that be?


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    #245
    The real mccoy 91
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    Buer wrote:
    There was a lot of 6/10 level performances out there from a lot of experienced internationals.


    At this stage it's very much the B team anyway from the starting XV only sinkler warburton stander webb and possibly Biggar are in with a chance of the test squad imo.


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    #246
    irishman86
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    What would that be?

    The Welsh winners attitude probably according to Gats :pac:


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    #247
    bluedex
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    awec wrote: »
    Aside from the forward pass and Joseph dropping it, it was a rubbish move to call. Ireland did the same thing against Wales in the six nations, a last minute set piece and they went for the miracle midfield move.

    It was in penalty territory and they were only 1 point behind. Should have played it safe.

    That move wouldn't even be considered if it was a test match and not a warm up game.... I hope!

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



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    #248
    Tigerandahalf
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    What would that be?

    The tempo that he brings. Murray spends an age getting the ball away from the ruck allowing the defensive line to reset.

    Webb made some lovely breaks down the blindside.

    If it is a wet game it is Murray all day for the control he gives.

    Some big calls to be made now. Do they start with concussion prone Sexton and North and risk them going off very early.

    Halfpenny is nailed on for 15 for his kicking.

    The Lions are light on the wings. Very dependent on L Wiilliams and North staying fit.

    I wonder will they start Farrell and Teo at 10/12 now.


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    #249
    awec
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    Wing is going to be a problem area. Nobody has really stood out so far.


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    #250
    Burkie1203
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    The tempo that he brings. Murray spends an age getting the ball away from the ruck allowing the defensive line to reset.

    Webb made some lovely breaks down the blindside.

    If it is a wet game it is Murray all day for the control he gives.

    Some big calls to be made now. Do they start with concussion prone Sexton and North and risk them going off very early.

    Halfpenny is nailed on for 15 for his kicking.

    The Lions are light on the wings. Very dependent on L Wiilliams and North staying fit.

    I wonder will they start Farrell and Teo at 10/12 now.

    Concussion prone sexton? Why bring him on tour if that was true


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    #251
    irishman86
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    Anybody else really enjoying the rugby but really lethargic about the Lions winning.


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    #252
    The real mccoy 91
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    Tigerandahalf wrote:
    The Lions are light on the wings. Very dependent on L Wiilliams and North staying fit.


    Watson has been the best winger on tour so far


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    #253
    irishman86
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    The tempo that he brings. Murray spends an age getting the ball away from the ruck allowing the defensive line to reset.

    Webb made some lovely breaks down the blindside.

    If it is a wet game it is Murray all day for the control he gives.

    Some big calls to be made now. Do they start with concussion prone Sexton and North and risk them going off very early.

    Halfpenny is nailed on for 15 for his kicking.

    The Lions are light on the wings. Very dependent on L Wiilliams and North staying fit.

    I wonder will they start Farrell and Teo at 10/12 now.
    What has Williams done to deserve a place on the wing, he has played horrific


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    #254
    awec
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    irishman86 wrote: »
    Anybody else really enjoying the rugby but really lethargic about the Lions winning.

    Have to admit I didn't really mind seeing the Highlanders win. They play great rugby and I like to see teams who play like that rewarded. It's much more entertaining to watch.


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    #255
    sydthebeat
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Disappointed with the Highlanders backline. Were they missing many?

    Disappointed how?
    They seemed to have the lions stressed anytime they went s wide. Hands were good and wingers made ground quite often.

    They were missing Aaron and Ben Smith and Rob Thompson.


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    #256
    stephen_n
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    The tempo that he brings. Murray spends an age getting the ball away from the ruck allowing the defensive line to reset.

    Webb made some lovely breaks down the blindside.

    If it is a wet game it is Murray all day for the control he gives.

    Some big calls to be made now. Do they start with concussion prone Sexton and North and risk them going off very early.

    Halfpenny is nailed on for 15 for his kicking.

    The Lions are light on the wings. Very dependent on L Wiilliams and North staying fit.

    I wonder will they start Farrell and Teo at 10/12 now.

    Murray is more than capeable of making breaks, Webb definitely plays a higher tempo game, but that can also affect decision making. Murray is quick enough getting the ball away at times, but definitely goes for accuracy more often. Overall though Murray is the better SH by a considerable distance.


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    #257
    wp_rathead
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    Back 3 very close to picking itself - Halfpenny, Watson and AN Other


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    #258
    Webbs
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Back 3 very close to picking itself - Halfpenny, Watson and AN Other

    If he stays fit, North is nailed on to start


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    #259
    pickarooney
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    Does anyone know what the average number of players used over a three test series is? I'd imagine close to 30 players will feature.


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    #260
    wp_rathead
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    Webbs wrote: »
    If he stays fit, North is nailed on to start

    Which is kinda scandalous - he is lucky to even be on the tour going on his form this season
    Would like to see Daly given more gametime to show what he can do


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    #261
    Buer
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the average number of players used over a three test series is? I'd imagine close to 30 players will feature.

    Was 30 in the last tour, I believe. But that was increased significantly due to several guys who had no apearance before that getting a run out off the bench in the final test when the series was won. Farrell, Gray, Tipuric and Tuilagi all got 15-25 minutes as a token gesture.


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    #262
    dregin
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    .ak wrote: »
    I thought best, CJ, Warbs, Hendo, McGrath, Webb, Biggar, Henshaw all looked massive improved.

    Seymour, Joseph looked better than last showings; just!

    Joseph really mixed the sublime with the poor, so many missed tackles from a 13 is poor form.

    Cole was a liability, pretty much gifted them the game.

    I'd question this. The first scrum penalty against him was on the opposite side from the ref, but the touch judge didn't call it against their LH. The second - there was no way their LH was driving forward right in front of the ref. Very dodgy calls, imo.


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    #263
    Sangre
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    dregin wrote: »
    I'd question this. The first scrum penalty against him was on the opposite side from the ref, but the touch judge didn't call it against their LH. The second - there was no way their LH was driving forward right in front of the ref. Very dodgy calls, imo.

    That one really stumped me. Open to correction but while it looked like Highlanders got the initial nudge they then proceeded to bore in illegally.

    I wonder if the ref just took at the initial nudge and took the view that the Lions weren't taking the pressure.


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    #264
    pickarooney
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    Buer wrote: »
    Was 30 in the last tour, I believe. But that was increased significantly due to several guys who had no apearance before that getting a run out off the bench in the final test when the series was won. Farrell, Gray, Tipuric and Tuilagi all got 15-25 minutes as a token gesture.

    Given this year's options at centre, Tuilagi would play every minute at 13 if he was ever fit I reckon.


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    #265
    bluedex
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    Buer wrote: »
    Was 30 in the last tour, I believe. But that was increased significantly due to several guys who had no apearance before that getting a run out off the bench in the final test when the series was won. Farrell, Gray, Tipuric and Tuilagi all got 15-25 minutes as a token gesture.

    Wasn't it 1-1 going into the final test last time?

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



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    #266
    Podge_irl
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    bluedex wrote: »
    Wasn't it 1-1 going into the final test last time?

    Game was well won I guess. Though the fact they were on the bench means they weren't exactly unlikely to get on the pitch.


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    #267
    Mebuntu
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    The Lions were well set and reasonably comfortable to win this game at 22-13 following Warburton's try and Biggar's conversion.

    Unfortunately and crucially for what happened next, Jared Payne then (unchallenged) immediately dropped the restart (as easy a ball to catch as can be) right in front of his posts. Coming so quickly after conceding that gave the Highlanders all the momentum they needed at that juncture and a try followed within 6/7 minutes.

    There were plenty of mistakes by others but, for me, that was the one that really counted against the Lions today.


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    #268
    awec
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    Mebuntu wrote: »
    The Lions were well set and reasonably comfortable to win this game at 22-13 following Warburton's try and Biggar's conversion.

    Unfortunately and crucially for what happened next, Jared Payne then (unchallenged) immediately dropped the restart (as easy a ball to catch as can be) right in front of his posts. Coming so quickly after conceding that gave the Highlanders all the momentum they needed at that juncture and a try followed within 6/7 minutes.

    There were plenty of mistakes by others but, for me, that was the one that really counted against the Lions today.

    Actually I think a bigger factor was Alun Wyn Jones giving away the offside penalty that led directly to the lineout from which they scored their try. This came right after a fantastic counter ruck by Henderson and the Lions clearing their lines.


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    #269
    The real mccoy 91
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    After watching it again the first try was definitely crossing on henshaw surely? Completely taken out of it


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    #270
    Yeah_Right
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    dregin wrote: »
    I'd question this. The first scrum penalty against him was on the opposite side from the ref, but the touch judge didn't call it against their LH. The second - there was no way their LH was driving forward right in front of the ref. Very dodgy calls, imo.

    Cole starts both scrums with his hips angling out so he can bore in on the hooker. The Highlanders go forward which then twists him in even further and causes him to pop up or collapse.


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    #271
    Buer
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    The real mccoy 91 wrote: »
    After watching it again the first try was definitely crossing on henshaw surely? Completely taken out of it

    100% obstruction. Not to be a sook (I really do like that word), Ainley sees Henshaw coming up to make the tackle and jumps in front of him to block his path to Naholo. It's as clear as day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZ6VM6yyzk&t=1m9s


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