Men or Women, who has a harder life?

bee06

buried wrote: »

Life is hard for everybody. Everyone you know or love is going to die. Every mortal is subservient to nature's will. Best not to divide people into groups and try claim who has it more tough, or who is the better victim just get on with it. What's the point of that pathetic f**king noise? Get on with it. It's hard enough as it is.

This. Why does it have to be men v women!

Wibbs

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Are women stronger than men when it comes to major life issues? Are they too scared to go through it? Who knows, its just another weird series of unanswered questions in our tough harsh world.

Good question. It would be my humble and mark me just my humble, that women often feel an instinct that society sees them as more "valuable", more supported by the group(not necessarily in a positive way and often not), so they feel there is more support for their "weakness" in real practical terms. Plus it has been my experience and again mark me, I say my experience, that women are more likely to fire out warning shots looking for help. I've buried too many men and women to that bloody finality and the men in most cases it was the first and sadly last cry for help. Very little overt warning.

Even in basic brass tacks biology women are more valuable. If a group of humans has a disaster and all but a few of the men are killed, but the women remain unscathed, that group will survive. If another group of humans has a disaster and all but a few of the women are killed, that group faces extinction.

wakka12

January wrote: »

Women.

On periods and childbirth alone, let's not get into the inequalities in the workplace etc.

Women have it harder.

Right off the bat I could name two worse things men experience that both of those
Longer sentences in prison for same crimes for men in comparison to women
Higher rates of depression and suicide in men
Men are the majority of the workforce in practically every 'undesirable' job going, nor is there any incentive to encourage women to partake in these jobs. Only initiatives to encourage women to take part in more desirable and higher paid jobs in science/engineering etc jobs which have traditionally been male dominated.
Also women arent forced to have children.

GingerLily

Until Ireland gives women the right to bodily automony then I have to say women have to harder.

That aside, there are definetly pros and cons for both genders and I think it depends on the personality whether they'd find life easier as a male/female.

AllForIt

Pac1Man wrote: »

I have to shave twice a week.

Are you male or female ?

pangbang

_Brian wrote: »

There's no one answer to this, everyone's life is different and everyone is equipped different to cope with life.

It's a typical juvenile AH question expecting an A or B answer to a hugely complex topic.

People have tough lives, some tougher than others, best we can do is hope we're capable of dealing with whatever life throws at us because not everyone can.

But its not a complex question in many ways. The simple fact of the matter, if you were god and knew everything, you would be able to state, "yes, its men", or "yes, its women". Its not like asking is the glass half-full or empty, its not that complex, its not philosophical. It is quite easy to take the general state of play, such as a job, pop a man into the situation or pop a woman into the situation and come to an overall opinion. You just run a good few scenarios through your mind based on your life experiences.

Imagine you are a first time parent. Baby girl arrives, exact same situation in life regarding family, finances etc....would you not have an opinion as to whether that girl will have an easier or harder life is she was born a boy?

Its status quo stuff, as things are. Nothing about what to do about it, or trends, or what will happen in x amount of years, or victimhood, or trophies, or getting a sly dig in.

Jobs OXO

January wrote: »

Women.

On periods and childbirth alone, let's not get into the inequalities in the workplace etc.

Women have it harder.

I think men dealing with their birds' PMT/PMS is very much overlooked. In fact I would say they have the worst of it when it comes to periods.

pangbang

bee06 wrote: »

This. Why does it have to be men v women!

My question has nothing to do with pitting men against women. Its just a simple observation of life as it is, that's all. If someone wants to turn it into a backhanded way to put men/women down....that's not the topic.

wakka12

Jobs OXO wrote: »

I think men dealing with their birds' PMT/PMS is very much overlooked. In fact I would say they have the worst of it when it comes to periods.

Well depends on the woman I guess. I live with my sister and mother and have been away/lived with close female friends on holidays that lasted several months and Ive never known when any of them were having their periods honestly.

Pac1Man

AllForIt wrote: »

Are you male or female ?

Pac1Man has all the willys.

lazybones32

No one has it harder or easier. We all have different amounts of the same abilities and opportunities. The difference is how we choose to think and act.

bee06

pangbang wrote: »

My question has nothing to do with pitting men against women. Its just a simple observation of life as it is, that's all. If someone wants to turn it into a backhanded way to put men/women down....that's not the topic.

Unfortunately that's the way these threads always end up.

buried

Wibbs wrote: »

I agree 100% B. I only rev up when I see the all too mainstream "feminist" rhetoric of spurious but holy givens springing up, as it will, as night follows day(just like the red pill muppets, but with better PR and coverage). And my very marrow screams out to say;

I know Wibbs, but in all absolute fairness, those types only exist on the faceless internet and the noisy branch of mainstream public media where anything can be anything, where you be a nothing but a actor or noisemaker looking for ratings, and these things scream like a pathetic, spoilt victim.
No actual person, male or female, that I actually know of in my circle, even tries to scream - "I got it more difficult!!" or "Ima bigger victim!!".
If any of the people I know, both male or female, said some pathetic $hit like that on a regular basis in my community, or anyone's actual community, the real community that everyone interacts with in reality, they'd be booted out of it so fast their heads would melt.
Because no-one in the real world wants to listen to that pathetic victim-porn BULL$hit. Everyone is living, everyone knows they will die. There is the real tragedy for EVERYONE. Trying to claim or create some sort of actual hierarchy to that is absolutely PATHETIC.
Claiming to be a victim is dangerous business. Very dangerous, and 9 times out of ten its based on absolute bull$hit.

pangbang

lazybones32 wrote: »

No one has it harder or easier. We all have different amounts of the same abilities and opportunities. The difference is how we choose to think and act.

So are you saying that when you add up the gigantic array of different issues that face men and women, they just so happen to precisely, EXACTLY balance out?

And its not about our choices. A man cant simply pull out a purse when about to be attacked by a gang and they'll go away, and a woman cant choose to be 50% stronger when trying to fight off a rapist.

The world isn't nearly as balanced as youd like it to be. This isn't an idealism question I posed, its a realistic question, based on the here and now.

January

January wrote: »

Women.

On periods and childbirth alone, let's not get into the inequalities in the workplace etc.

Women have it harder.

inequalities in the workplace?

Any examples?

I ask because the only inequality in the workplace that I have ever seen was when I was 15, working in Tesco, and the girls would never have to sweep the floors or empty the bins :-)

Seriously though, maybe I have been lucky in every single job I've ever had, ranging in a wide variety of industries, but not once have I worked for a company that would even tolerate any form of inequality(in Ireland), so I assume this is not a wide spread issue

Am I wrong? Anyone have examples

RayM

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman... childbirth, ovulation, the menopause, the fact that your bodily autonomy is disregarded by the state if you get pregnant... giving all your love to just one man.

It can hard to be a man too. The suicide problem is partly down to the fact that we're better at it (haha, take that, ladies), but also because we're brought up to believe that we're supposed to be oh-so-tough and that crying or talking about your problems and vulnerabilities is a girly thing (and girly=bad, obviously).

ToddyDoody

There's a quote somewhere about how men have to be made but women are given as they are.

It's to do with how girls were reared by their own sex but men by the opposite, and so at puberty needed to enter the world of men.

How that translates to today's less gender role defined bondaries is one for the (anti) social sciences.

pangbang

RayM wrote: »

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman... childbirth, ovulation, the menopause, the fact that your bodily autonomy is disregarded by the state if you get pregnant... giving all your love to just one man.

It can hard to be a man too. The suicide problem is partly down to the fact that we're better at it (haha, take that, ladies), but also because we're brought up to believe that we're supposed to be oh-so-tough and that crying or talking about your problems and vulnerabilities is a girly thing (and girly=bad, obviously).

So what do you reckon then, one has to be worse than the other, no? Be a man about it! :P

osarusan

It's me, I am the biggest victim of all. Nobody has it worse than me, why can't you all see that?

GritBiscuit

Wibbs wrote: »

Just for fun and by your leave I added two letters to your post
How well do you think that opinion would go down in the mainstream media? Hint: It wouldn't.

In much of the mainstream media your refer to, men have been awarded the title of primary oppressors of women and biggest hurdles to equality and that will always stand against them. The whole "men have found life tough for the last 5 minutes but women have had it tough for centuries so the balance can't possibly be even for generations to come" exudes...regardless of modern day statistics. They are the antithesis to the poison spouted by the red-pillers.

In the real world I think most people see society is a murky, complex shade of grey and everyone, regardless of their skill-sets, gender or opportunities suffer and cry and shoulder their fair share of heart-ache.

buried

osarusan wrote: »

It's me, I am the biggest victim of all. Nobody has it worse than me, why can't you all see that?

Get back in line buddy, I was here yesterday and I got stung by a nettle on me leg

RayM

pangbang wrote: »

So what do you reckon then, one has to be worse than the other, no? Be a man about it! :P

On balance, I prefer being a man. For example, if a woman goes on a date with a man she doesn't know very well, her biggest worry is that she might get raped. If I go on a date with a woman I don't know very well, the worst thing that could happen (hypothetically) is that she somehow might not fancy me (probably a lesbian).

koumi

I'll just leave a little pool of vomit over here. No one step in it, thanks.

pangbang

Added a poll. This isn't a political question, or for anyone to get digs in, or for anyone to wax lyrical about idealism. Just a simple observation on life as it is today in Ireland.

In fact maybe I should have called the thread "would you prefer to be a man or woman, knowing the difficulties they face through your own experience"

.....except that would be a sh^^e title.

pumpkin4life

Wibbs wrote: »

The average Irish woman of today can expect to live longer, be better educated, be better paid(before children), have more societal safety nets, more medical research aimed at her, be less likely to be physically assaulted or murdered, less likely to be homeless, far less likely to die in accidents in work(or outside) and far less likely to die by her own hand. These are statistical facts for the average. Individuals differ widely, but take from all that what you will.

You want to sum up the differences between men and women in virtually all areas in a nice bit of mathsie autism?

Variance and the the fatness of tales. Women are the blue line and men are the red line.

Men live in the extremes. Women live in the center. Intelligence, money, number of wans ye bum, take your pick.

That's what feminists or who have you get wrong about men all the time. They see the CEO of a big company, not the homeless guy passed out on the street say.

So to answer your question OP, the worst man has it worse than the worst women and the best man has it better than the best woman. The way society is structured, as said by Wibbs, the average man has it in my opinion, worse than the average women.

Modern society is ****ing nuts though.

pangbang

koumi wrote: »

I'll just leave a little pool of vomit over here. No one step in it, thanks.

Sounds like you have a very, very strong opinion here. When you bothered to post in the thread you must have forgotten to state that opinion.

koumi

pangbang wrote: »

Sounds like you have a very, very strong opinion here. When you bothered to post in the thread you must have forgotten to state that opinion.

you do realise that there are no women on the internet

pangbang

pumpkin4life wrote: »

You want to sum up the differences between men and women in virtually all areas in a nice bit of mathsie autism?

Variance and the the fatness of tales. Women are the blue line and men are the red line.

Men live in the extremes. Women live in the center. Intelligence, money, number of wans ye bum, take your pick.

That's what feminists or who have you get wrong about men all the time. They see the CEO of a big company, not the homeless guy passed out on the street say.

That's what I was getting at in the OP. Men have higher highs and lower lows....But what is better, safe middle, or potential to go higher waged against dropping lower?

pangbang

koumi wrote: »

you do realise that there are no women on the internet

?

Is that some kind of Vulcan mind trick? Or a jedi death grip youre pulling here?

Spanish Eyes

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I also know of a woman who is an alcoholic and her abusive husband tried to take all her money, she lost her job etc and is in a miserable situation.....and yet, I cant ever see her taking her life. Just a gut feeling, cant explain it.
Are women stronger than men when it comes to major life issues? Are they too scared to go through it? Who knows, its just another weird series of unanswered questions in our tough harsh world.

I would very delicately say that women talk to each other about their problems. The coven of emotional support. I am a woman so I know this. They will also go to the GP regularly if anything crops up. They are not afraid to do this.

Men do not seem to open up as much.

What do you men think of this. Am I totally wrong or partially right?