Any conspiracy in all these terrorist attacks?

conditioned games

I would research various sites and youtube videos. Any of the links I posted could be replaced with multiple other sites that say the same message. To personally prove or disprove the minutes of the meeting would require me to be at that meeting all those years ago. I agree that the meeting took place and the protocols are the minutes of the meeting, as what has transpired in the world since then matches back to the goals they set in that meeting.

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

I would research various sites and youtube videos.

Again you have not answered the question:
HOW do you research these sites and verify they are trustworthy? By Reading historical documents? Going to libraries to read first editions and obscure books? Reading other sites and watching other youtube videos?
Please detail exactly all of the research you did to confirm the protocols are real.

What did you do to ensure that Real Jew News was being honest and accurate and not the awful, disgusting, hate-filled propaganda pit it appears to be on first glance?

conditioned games wrote: »

Any of the links I posted could be replaced with multiple other sites that say the same message.

Assuming this is true, so?
Also isn't this exactly what you where using a few pages ago to decry the mainstream media?

conditioned games wrote: »

The mainstream media is controlled by the illuminati. It is used to brainwash the masses. All over the world from Canada to Australia the controlled mainstream media outlets use the same version of events and blame the same people.

Why now does this same thing make your sites trustworthy?

conditioned games wrote: »

I agree that the meeting took place and the protocols are the minutes of the meeting, as what has transpired in the world since then matches back to the goals they set in that meeting.

So... Hitler was right when he claimed the exact same thing?

Overheal

conditioned games wrote: »

I would research various sites and youtube videos. Any of the links I posted could be replaced with multiple other sites that say the same message. To personally prove or disprove the minutes of the meeting would require me to be at that meeting all those years ago. I agree that the meeting took place and the protocols are the minutes of the meeting, as what has transpired in the world since then matches back to the goals they set in that meeting.

So you WOULD research them but you just don't?

It seems clear that you didn't even perform a smell-test on these pages to ensure any sense of credibility. While it is horribly under-cited, there are a few things that stick out:

"Upon Cherevin’s death in 1896, he willed a copy of his memoirs containing the Protocols to Tzar Nicholas II. (View Sources Here, Here & Here.)"

- First link is to a library entry for a book from 1938, no quotations or anything. Not helpful in the least.
- 2nd is to a Wikipedia article about Leslie Fry which neither mentions Cherevin or memoirs
- The third is the same book supposedly, for sale via PayPal...

Another area of the article uses the protocols itself as a citation of a quote, which does nothing to convey the veracity of the protocols.

Often the links the article cites are themselves unsourced. It would be like making a Wikipedia entry for Donald Trump saying he was born as a brown horse and linking it to a webpage I launched that said "Donald Trump used to be a brown horse".

I could go on, but nah.

Your source for 40% higher IQ itself doesn't cite its source for this statistic or the methodology in calculating it. It's also just a message board thread.

Your claim for how much jews control the mass media itself cites a single source which is abjectly broken.

Also, even though the article is dated 2015 it missed the fact that Michael Eisner, Disney's CEO, left the company in 2005. Not off to a great start even if you believed what was being written there. And again, there is no methodology presented for claiming 96% control.

Your link claiming zionists run the reserve is just terribly outdated. Most of those names have already left the Reserve. Further I'm pretty dissapointed you couldn't have just pulled the list of active personnel/those who have served since the 80s and done your own manual research, rather than just google-pasting this crap into the forum, which is just the height of laziness and earns you no favors.

So while you "would" do research, you clearly haven't.

o personally prove or disprove the minutes of the meeting would require me to be at that meeting all those years ago. I agree that the meeting took place and the protocols are the minutes of the meeting, as what has transpired in the world since then matches back to the goals they set in that meeting.

bullsh*t. Historians were able to disprove the protocols as a forgery almost a century ago. Perhaps you should start by reading into their methodology for reaching those conclusions so that you can criticize and attempt to disprove them for yourself. Just as been done here with your sources and your methodology - the lightest amount of factchecking and your sources became unraveled.

The mainstream media is controlled by the illuminati. It is used to brainwash the masses. All over the world from Canada to Australia the controlled mainstream media outlets use the same version of events and blame the same people.

How is that claim in any way different from "Any of the links I posted could be replaced with multiple other sites that say the same message.?" Not to mention you're missing the whole function of consensus. If your methodology was the Scientific Method, people would still be claiming that cold fusion can be made to happen in your kitchen; however, since no one has been able to reproduce those results, it hasn't been proven out to be true. Similarly, flat-earthers think they have a good game, but science wins on that too. Historians across the world agreeing the protocols are a forgery isn't necessarily a conspiracy or a coverup, such things are the result of multiple independent studies.

conditioned games

Overheal wrote: »

So you WOULD research them but you just don't?

It seems clear that you didn't even perform a smell-test on these pages to ensure any sense of credibility. While it is horribly under-cited, there are a few things that stick out:

"Upon Cherevin’s death in 1896, he willed a copy of his memoirs containing the Protocols to Tzar Nicholas II. (View Sources Here, Here & Here.)"

- First link is to a library entry for a book from 1938, no quotations or anything. Not helpful in the least.
- 2nd is to a Wikipedia article about Leslie Fry which neither mentions Cherevin or memoirs
- The third is the same book supposedly, for sale via PayPal...

Another area of the article uses the protocols itself as a citation of a quote, which does nothing to convey the veracity of the protocols.

Often the links the article cites are themselves unsourced. It would be like making a Wikipedia entry for Donald Trump saying he was born as a brown horse and linking it to a webpage I launched that said "Donald Trump used to be a brown horse".

I could go on, but nah.

Your source for 40% higher IQ itself doesn't cite its source for this statistic or the methodology in calculating it. It's also just a message board thread.

Your claim for how much jews control the mass media itself cites a single source which is abjectly broken.

Also, even though the article is dated 2015 it missed the fact that Michael Eisner, Disney's CEO, left the company in 2005. Not off to a great start even if you believed what was being written there. And again, there is no methodology presented for claiming 96% control.

Your link claiming zionists run the reserve is just terribly outdated. Most of those names have already left the Reserve. Further I'm pretty dissapointed you couldn't have just pulled the list of active personnel/those who have served since the 80s and done your own manual research, rather than just google-pasting this crap into the forum, which is just the height of laziness and earns you no favors.

So while you "would" do research, you clearly haven't.

bullsh*t. Historians were able to disprove the protocols as a forgery almost a century ago. Perhaps you should start by reading into their methodology for reaching those conclusions so that you can criticize and attempt to disprove them for yourself. Just as been done here with your sources and your methodology - the lightest amount of factchecking and your sources became unraveled.

How is that claim in any way different from "Any of the links I posted could be replaced with multiple other sites that say the same message.?" Not to mention you're missing the whole function of consensus. If your methodology was the Scientific Method, people would still be claiming that cold fusion can be made to happen in your kitchen; however, since no one has been able to reproduce those results, it hasn't been proven out to be true. Similarly, flat-earthers think they have a good game, but science wins on that too. Historians across the world agreeing the protocols are a forgery isn't necessarily a conspiracy or a coverup, such things are the result of multiple independent studies.

I would look at material from various sources and form my own conclusion. Based on what has happened in the world since the protocols were drawn up, it has shown history has verified those original goals.

Richard Lynn did a study called The chosen people, a study of Jewish intelligence and achievement which measured IQ levels of people from different races. The results highlighted the high IQ levels of Ashkenazi Jews. There are many separate studies done by other people in the US that support the result.

Walt Disney is Jewish controlled, after Michael Eisner left as CEO, his replacement was Bob Igar whose also Jewish.

Current chairperson and deputy chairperson of the US federal reserve are Janet Yellon and Stanley Fischer, before them it was Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan, which are all Jewish.

It was you that said historians were used to discredit the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, therefore it is up to you to investigate their methodology before taking it at face value. So far the protocols have proven accurate.

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

I would look at material from various sources and form my own conclusion.

What material?
Stop being coy, you are fooling exactly no one.

Your "research" simply is "read nonsense on internet"

conditioned games wrote: »

It was you that said historians were used to discredit the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, therefore it is up to you to investigate their methodology before taking it at face value. So far the protocols have proven accurate.

No, you tell us.
I don't believe you actually understand what you are claiming and I need you to demonstrate you do.
I want you to explain 1) how every historian has concluded that the Protocols are fake.
And 2) How you can show for a fact that these method is invalid, incorrect or otherwise fabricated.

Experience tells me that you will be unable to do either of these things and you will be unable to admit it.

Right now, you're just spitting out racist nonsense you've swallowed whole.

Overheal

No if established wisdom is that they are fake it's up to you to prove they are not.

You will not be allowed to come in here and make an unfounded claim and then task others with disproving it for you. You have to prove it first. And you haven't yet.

You cite several studies in your last post but don't link to or provide them, hence no one here has the ability to acredit them.

conditioned games

Overheal wrote: »

No if established wisdom is that they are fake it's up to you to prove they are not.

You will not be allowed to come in here and make an unfounded claim and then task others with disproving it for you. You have to prove it first. And you haven't yet.

You cite several studies in your last post but don't link to or provide them, hence no one here has the ability to acredit them.

Established wisdom?? What does this mean?

The unfounded claim was that you said historians said the document was a forgery but yet you wanted me to prove it, which again doesn't make sense.

Wiki provides references for some of the IQ studies supporting their high IQ per below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Link to wiki about Jannet Yellon and her Jewish religion, same can done for the rest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Yellen

Here's link to Bob Igar as CEO of Walt Disney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Iger

Overheal

Established wisdom?? What does this mean?

Exactly what it says. Water is wet, g ~= 9.81 m/s^2, Trump is the President, Global Warming is Real, the earth isn't flat, and the Protocols were established by historians to be a forgery.

Again, being Jewish != being Zionist, being Zionist != part of the Illuminati.

Wikipedia doesn't cite 40% anything.

B_Wayne

I also have to point out that rense.com is literally a site to push a white supremacist and neo nazi agenda. Eg their homepage seems to have a love of David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK. Sample content linked to homepage...
http://www.tomatobubble.com/david_duke_mike_king.html

So it would seem as if you're pretty undiscerning of what content you link to. You claim a global conspiracy but link to hate sites as proof.

conditioned games

B_Wayne wrote: »

I also have to point out that rense.com is literally a site to push a white supremacist and neo nazi agenda. Eg their homepage seems to have a love of David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK. Sample content linked to homepage...
http://www.tomatobubble.com/david_duke_mike_king.html

So it would seem as if you're pretty undiscerning of what content you link to. You claim a global conspiracy but link to hate sites as proof.

There's plenty other sites that all say the same thing. The below also describe the Jewish control of the US federal reserve and consequently the money supply

http://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/4889.html

https://rehmat1.com/2013/12/31/federal-reserve-century-of-zionist-control-of-us-dollar/

http://forward.com/culture/325447/the-man-behind-the-fed/

You are again avoiding questions that you are unable to answer. And you again demonstrate that you are guilty of every single thing you have accused everyone else of.
It would be funny if you weren't linking to racist propaganda.

Can we just gauge how much racist nonsense you're willing to swallow?
Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

conditioned games

King Mob wrote: »

You are again avoiding questions that you are unable to answer. And you again demonstrate that you are guilty of every single thing you have accused everyone else of.
It would be funny if you weren't linking to racist propaganda.

Can we just gauge how much racist nonsense you're willing to swallow?
Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

Time and time again for some that don't like what they're hearing, they resort to insult words.

You are a ... (insert insult word here). So instead of asking meaningful questions you use words like racist and anti Semitic, then comes the bigot, sexist, homophobe, pedophobe, xenophobe, etc... I guess you call yourself progressive by trying to shut down debate with insults.

How about you list out your questions and I will try answer them.

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

There's plenty other sites that all say the same thing. The below also describe the Jewish control of the US federal reserve and consequently the money supply

http://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/4889.html

To quote from this:

They are not just control FED. Jewish bankers stole trillions dollars from FED. The Federal Reserve has kinda, sorta misplaced $9,000,000,000,000 as shown by a recent video surfaced on you tube. Rep. Alan Grayson questioned the Federal reserve Inspector General where $9 Trillion dollars went... um...ahhh...err Inspector General Elizabeth Coleman hasn't a clue...Kinda misplaced it did you?

Cash was never missing. They had older, incompatible systems that weren't up to the required standards.

You're referencing a blog, which posts pictures like this, as a source

https://rehmat1.com/2013/12/31/federal-reserve-century-of-zionist-control-of-us-dollar/

Another personal blog. Again it's someone who "lists" the number of Jewish people who have ever worked in an institution

It's all disturbing anti-Semitic stuff

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

Time and time again for some that don't like what they're hearing, they resort to insult words.

You are a ... (insert insult word here). So instead of asking meaningful questions you use words like racist and anti Semitic, then comes the bigot, sexist, homophobe, pedophobe, xenophobe, etc... I guess you call yourself progressive by trying to shut down debate with insults.

1. I have been asking you questions constantly, you have been ignoring them because they are too difficult for you to answer. If anyone is trying to shut down debate, it's you.
2. You are the one using sources (for a very loose definition of the term) that are very obviously disgustingly racist. You are the one who is repeating disgustingly racist claims that you have appeared to swallowed uncritically.
If you can't handle people pointing out how they are disgustingly racist, then maybe stop.

conditioned games wrote: »

How about you list out your questions and I will try answer them.

Oh, so many that you've left hanging...

1. How did you personally verify the protocols were true? What research specifically did you do? What historical text did you read? What original sources did you personally track down? What qualifications do you have that let you verify historical documents with any accuracy or authority?
If you only read stuff on the internet, please be honest and just say so.
2. Why do trust random anonymous sources that are obviously biased, have no standards and every reason and opportunity to lie and are disgustingly racist?
3. Do you believe the Holocaust happened?
4. Do you agree with Hitler's Statements about the Protocols? Does it bother you at all that he and the nazis used it as justification for their evil acts?
5. How is your claims of Jewish world domination any different to the claims made by the Nazis?

BrokenArrows

NIMAN wrote: »

Now before I start, I have to say that I wouldn't be a great believer in most conspiracy theories.

But over the last couple of years, seeing all these attacks in France, Belgium and the UK, it is shocking that in most of the cases "the attackers were known to police".

It would be incredibly hard to stop unknowns carrying out acts, but so many of these nuts seem to have been on a radar. I also appreciate how hard it is to keep track of potential terrorists.

Some might say they are being allowed to carry out a certain number of attacks so that the Gov can introduce harsh laws, states of emergency etc, or to get the general public to see more military spending and invasions as necessary? All done with a relatively small number of the public killed?

In the latest attack, one of the guys even appeared in a TV documentary basically saying "look at me, I'm a mad Jihadi". Yet he was able to go out and crash a van into people then stab others to death!

Most of these people are known to police because normal law abiding citizens dont do stuff like this. Its the crazies and criminals that do this.

The government has also investigated thousands and thousands of Muslims and have a insanely large watch list. Without mass incarceration of Muslims who have any links to terrorism then they will remain on the street. And my "any links" like distant cousins.

So NO, there is no conspiracy.

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

I would research various sites and youtube videos.

I'm not sure if you are grasping the crux of the points being made here

If an event happens, and for whatever reason one hundred of your family, friends, colleagues, their friends, etc were there. And they all came back and told you what happened, in detail. And the stories matched. Corroborated each other.

Then there was one website, written by one guy on the internet, who you have no idea of, saying the event didn't happen

Are they both equal sources of information? no


So when an attack happens, and hundreds of people are directly involved

Why would you side with a couple of people who weren't there, weren't involved (who all coincidentally have a passion for conspiracies)?