Why Ireland needs a domestic Intelligence organisation immediately

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

It might surprise you to know that Ireland is the only country in the EU that does not have an Intelligence organisation. Instead, we rely almost exclusively on the UK to provide accurate intelligence to us. As we have seen recently, UK intelligence is completely overwhelmed by the number of Islamic extremists. According to MI5, there are at least 23,000 terror suspects in the UK, and 400 active terror plots being investigated

There is a concept in security called 'Defence in Depth'. This means that you don't depend on one single protocol to keep you safe. This creates a bottleneck point of failure, meaning that if one security breach takes place, it will be catastrophic as there is no safety net. It's like having a house, but only locking the front gate instead of the doors. Once the front gate is breached, the attacker is in. So to mitigate this, you lock the gates, the doors and windows, and install an intruder alarm. Also, a big nasty dog helps too.

We are going to get hit. The Irish public need to get this through their skulls.

It's a matter of when, not if. There's no point in pretending our cuddly harmless leprauchan Paddy image is going to save us. It isn't. Some day in the near future, we will be looking on in disbelief as throats are cut or crowds of people are mown down in Dublin or elsewhere.

The only monitoring that takes place in Ireland is the Gardai Special Branch, and to a lesser extent, the G2 Army Intelligence, which is a relatively small organisation. Now, they are already up to their eyeballs with the domestic terrorist/criminal organisations, such as the RIRA, CIRA, Hutch/Kinehan bomb attacks etc. At least with these organisations, they are speaking English. Also, they can be infiltrated with informers.

It's not so easy with the Islamic threats in Ireland. The warning signs are starting to flash. We've had activity down in Waterford recently, and there are a number of suspects who are being investigated for having links to the recent Manchester bombing. We've already had a number of Irish Islamists killed in Iraq and Syria. We got lucky that Khalid Kelly blew himself up in Syria, instead of on a bus in Dublin at rush hour.
ISIS have already declared Ireland a target for operations. The 'yerrah it'll be grand attitude' isn't going to do anymore.

You can read the signs with your eyes closed.

We need to maximise our defences immediately, and do everything we can to minimise our threat profile. There is already suspicious activity taking place in the Clonskeagh mosque/Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland (ICCI), who have links to the radical Muslim Brotherhood. It should also be noted that the imam of the Clonskeagh Mosque/ICCI is Hussein Halawa, who just happens to be the Father of Ibrahim Halawa. Ibrahim is Ireland's current Islamist cause célèbre who is under arrest and awaiting trial in Egypt. He and his sisters just happened to go to Egypt and he found himself on stage somehow calling for violence against the Egyptian government.

Many liberal Irish websites, most notably the Journal.ie, have been consistently regurgitating propaganda and outright lies that support the families claims. Some would say collusion, and even outright collaboration: https://www.thejournal.ie/fatima-halawa-cairo-3186989-Jan2017/

When we are attacked, remember what side these 'journalists' were on. They are playing their part in subverting Irish society, make no mistake about that. Facts are being blatantly omitted when reporting on these stories.


Adding to this, even the imam of the moderate Blanchardstown mosque is telling anyone who will listen that radicalisation is now taking place in Irish mosques. You can guess which mosque that might be:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/imams-split-over-fears-irish-muslims-are-being-radicalised-in-mosques-34222983.html

How many clues do you need before the penny drops? Or will you wait until there are body parts on Irish streets before it dawns on you that this is what reality is in the West now? It isn't going away, and giving out extra cuddles and being nice on Facebook doesn't amount to jack sh1t.

What troubles me most though, is that in spite all of these warnings, all the obvious signs, and the repeated calls for action, nothing will be done until something terrible has happened. We don't take proactive measures in Ireland, we only react.


We've been lucky so far; they only need to be lucky once.

Persephone kindness

Yes we do we have G2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

Beyondgone

They were going to form an Intelligence Unit. Interviews were held. After 3 months of failing to find anyone with any,it was decided they were being too ambitious.

A panel is being formed to see if starting a new Friday 5-a-side League would be of any use in the matter. As Seargant Gilhooley commented "Sure who could even pronounce dem names for Jasus sake?"

The_Valeyard

I can blame thejournal.ie for a lot of things,

Crappy journalism,
'anonymous' articles,
Biased pieces,
Terrible presentation,
Copy and pasting stories,
Far left support,
Pontificating writers,


But cant really blame them for the rise of Islamic extremism in Ireland.

Persephone kindness

The_Valeyard wrote: »

But cant really blame them for the rise of Islamic extremism in Ireland.

When and IF such a thing happens. I will blame....Joe Duffy.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Yes we do we have G2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

G2 is a military organisation, primarily concerned with military threats such as overseas missions etc. They are not a dedicated domestic intelligence service, nor are they tasked for such a mission.

Persephone kindness

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

G2 is a military organisation, primarily concerned with military threats such as overseas missions etc. They are not a dedicated domestic intelligence service, nor are they tasked for such a mission.

The Directorate operates domestic and foreign intelligence sections, providing intelligence to the Government of Ireland concerning threats to the security of the state and the national interest from internal and external sources.[

Yes they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

Also some of these guys do it.
And these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_%26_Information_Services_Corps

And special branch detective branch of the guards.

Ireland is unusual in one case. All our intelligence people are recruited from military or the guards. Usually anyhow as far as i know.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Yes they are.

The key word is dedicated. And if you read my OP, you will see I noted that they monitor domestic organisations such as RIRA, CIRA etc. But this would be on an ad-hoc basic. Nor would they have the tools or capabilities of an organisation such as MI5, CIA, DGSE etc.

The fact is they are not a fully functional intelligence organisation. That is indisputable.

EDIT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

Also some of these guys do it.
And these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...Services_Corps

And special branch detective branch of the guards.

ARW are counter-terrorism and surveillance, not intelligence.

CIGS are communications monitoring, not intelligence. They operate the hardware, they don't centralise or plan reactions.

Special Branch are probably the closest thing we have to an intelligence organisation, but they are more of a multi-role task including intelligence. And the number of Arabic speakers they have within the Garda pool would probably be single figures.






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Persephone kindness

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

The fact is they are not a fully functional intelligence organisation. That is indisputable.

Yes they are. And they are internationally well respected I assure you.

Persephone kindness

Now ..I can't say anything more. This thread will self destruct.

Persephone kindness

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everlast75

How did I know that the first link provided by OP was the daily mail...

myshirt

How many times in history were the silent majority irrelevant? That's what people don't realise. It absolutely doesn't matter a sh't that the majority of Muslims are peace loving people. There is still at least 200million who are a gazillion percent dedicated to the destruction of western society.

There are serious problems amongst a significantly large minority of Muslims, and it is horrifying. We need to see more Muslims hitting out at this, like the below

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty

Peregrine

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Yes we do we have G2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(Ireland)

I think the OP is aware of that and wants a dedicated intelligence service rather than making military intelligence cover it.

TheAnalyst_

We do but its part of AGS. What difference does it make if it were separate organisation?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

everlast75 wrote: »

How did I know that the first link provided by OP was the daily mail...

How did I know someone was going to try and score smug points by making some point about the Daily Mail. Give it a rest fella, it's the internet version of 'did you know I'm a vegan? Make sure you know I'm a vegan'. It's the mentality of first year soc and pol university students who've just read their first Chomsky book. We get it.

Now, here are two other links from a liberal and conservative paper respectively if you'd like to make some useful contribution instead of dragging this thread off topic:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/security-mi5-23000-subjects-interest-counter-terrorism-manchester-abedi-police-a7758671.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/27/23000-people-have-subjects-interest-scale-terror-threat-emerges/

Zaph

Peregrine wrote: »

I think the OP is aware of that and wants a dedicated intelligence service rather than making military intelligence cover it.

But sure what difference does it make who's doing it as long as there's an intelligence service?

Peregrine

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

We do but its part of AGS. What difference does it make if it were separate organisation?

Well, you wouldn't need to be a fully trained garda or a soldier to be part of the intelligence service.

You can be translator..or a engineer. They could hire any civilian they want rather than training soldiers to learn Arabic or sharing classified info with consultants.

TheAnalyst_

Peregrine wrote: »

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

We do but its part of AGS. What difference does it make if it were separate organisation?

Well, you wouldn't need to be a fully trained garda or a soldier to be part of the intelligence service.

You can be translator..or a engineer. They could hire any civilian they want rather than training soldiers to learn Arabic or sharing classified info with consultants.

They have "civilians" working for them.

We have an intelligence unit. It's part of SDU.
They could increase the size maybe, but it's there.
And they have many many years of experience.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I can blame thejournal.ie for a lot of things,

Crappy journalism,
'anonymous' articles,
Biased pieces,
Terrible presentation,
Copy and pasting stories,
Far left support,
Pontificating writers,


But cant really blame them for the rise of Islamic extremism in Ireland.

I haven't claimed for one second that thejournal.ie are responsible for the rise of Islamic extremism in Ireland. I want to make that clear.

But they appear to have a certain...'fondness' for their favourite pet Islamist, Ibrahim Halawa. And they are working around the clock to give him the best possible PR. This is straying into collusion territory, in my opinion. Why they are doing this is anyone's guess, although I have my suspicions. Certain mosques have deep pockets, and the media is a business first and foremost. Make of that what you will.

Peregrine

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

They have "civilians" working for them.

Although I know such information is usually not freely available, I'd need some more evidence or official suggestions to believe that the Defence Forces or Gardai actively recruit qualified civilians to work in their intelligence sections. That their recruitment pool isn't restricted to less than 0.5% of the population. I presume that they do regularly consult with people who aren't simply a garda or a soldier.

RayM

Immediately? It's a bank holiday weekend. It'll have to wait until Tuesday, I'm afraid.

njs030

bubblypop wrote: »

We have an intelligence unit. It's part of SDU.
They could increase the size maybe, but it's there.
And they have many many years of experience.

I'm sure if they decided to have a recruitment drive and increase the size it wouldn't be advertised to the general public.
They have a counter terrorism unit though.

TheAnalyst_

Peregrine wrote: »

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

They have "civilians" working for them.

Although I know such information is usually not freely available, I'd need some more evidence or official suggestions to believe that the Defence Forces or Gardai actively recruit qualified civilians to work in their intelligence sections. That their recruitment pool isn't restricted to less than 0.5% of the population. I presume that they do regularly consult with people who aren't simply a garda or a soldier.

Why have an opinion if you know close to zero about a subject? That always puzzles me.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Peregrine wrote: »

Well, you wouldn't need to be a fully trained garda or a soldier to be part of the intelligence service.

You can be translator..or a engineer. They could hire any civilian they want rather than training soldiers to learn Arabic or sharing classified info with consultants.

I was about to post something similar. Also, you open up to a wider selection pool by making it a civilian agency.

There is also the aspect of corruption within the Gardai. They should not be in the position to regulate intelligence AND policing. Most countries keep their organisations separate for this reason. That's too much power for one group.

It should also be noted that there is quite a rivalry between the Army and Gardai. So there can be various agendas and interests that compromise overall service. Although turf wars are not uncommon in the intelligence world, see MI5 vs MI6, CIA vs FBI, GRU vs FSB etc.

Here we go

We have access to the British and other European intelligence services all spend far far more then e could ever afford. I'd be far more worried about are response capability last night from first call to Last terriost put down was 8 minutes. By any measurement a swift and effective response. Yet still 7 dead 50 in hospital. Imagine this in Ireland by the time an adiqute response was mobilised. They would have run out of people to kill and on there way back to what ever hope they came out from

Ave Sodalis

bubblypop wrote: »

We have an intelligence unit. It's part of SDU.
They could increase the size maybe, but it's there.
And they have many many years of experience.

Exactly. We're one of the few countries in the world that have had a long standing terrorism group based within our shores, even if it's primarily in the North. Why would people think we, of all countries, wouldn't have some sort of effective intelligence unit?

pangbang

We do need a specific intelligence agency. But why do we need an intelligence agency in the first place?

The order of priority is messed up due to the policing of the majority population by a minority of nutters via media. The "no borders" crew, the "don't step out of line" crew, the "outrage" crew. As things stand, priority goes something like this.

1) "Other" people and minorities
2) They must, at all cost, be welcomed by your country. No limit on numbers.
3) Your exact language, behaviour and actions must be modified to accommodate 1 and 2
4) Set up intelligence agency that wont be allowed do anything proactive, merely react to your own people being murdered.
5) Keep everything as is, don't dare deviate or you'll be ostracised by -isms

So yeah, we need an intelligence agency, but there are quite a few things that need changing upstream. Otherwise what good will it be? Someone gets their name put on a list, then they go out and kill people anyway.

What use is that?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Here we go wrote: »

We have access to the British and other European intelligence services all spend far far more then e could ever afford. I'd be far more worried about are response capability last night from first call to Last terriost put down was 8 minutes. By any measurement a swift and effective response. Yet still 7 dead 50 in hospital. Imagine this in Ireland by the time an adiqute response was mobilised. They would have run out of people to kill and on there way back to what ever hope they came out from

I'm sure you wouldn't be quite so casual with people's lives if it was your child lying on the ground with her throat cut.

Read paragraph 2 of the OP for why I think an extra layer of security is warranted. There might also come a point post-Brexit where the UK decides the won't share intel with us anymore.

Or if Corbyn gets elected, he has indicated he would shut down the intelligence services :eek:

Mrs OBumble

Ireland has more experience with domestic terrorists that most countries.

Peregrine

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Why have an opinion if you know close to zero about a subject? That always puzzles me.

Then an even smaller percentage of the population who are part of intelligence could have an opinion on national security.

I don't claim to be privy to how it's run but I think the citizens deserve more than vague assurances because they're getting more of articles such as these and I don't think it's helping.

A number of sources have said that neither section has members who can speak or read Arabic, posing obvious limitations: from monitoring Arabic communications — both online and in phone taps — to reading any Arabic documentation.

Now, I have reason to believe that may not be entirely true either. I don't think I need to be an expert at national security to explore the advantages or confidence a dedicated service would give. Like I said, I need more concrete assurances and I don't need to be effectively told to shut up because I'm not part of the small percentage who run it.

riffmongous

Peregrine wrote: »

Well, you wouldn't need to be a fully trained garda or a soldier to be part of the intelligence service.

You can be translator..or a engineer. They could hire any civilian they want rather than training soldiers to learn Arabic or sharing classified info with consultants.

I wonder if they avoided use of civilians to minimise the risk of infiltration by Republican sympathisers? Go back a few years and a huge amount of the population would have had general sympathy for The Cause, even if they didn't have actual links.

riffmongous

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ireland has more experience with domestic terrorists that most countries.

And in the last few years has been very successful too

Your Face

Now ye're talking - to a domestic terrorism expert.

kupus

nuff said.

10000maniacs

Here we go wrote: »

We have access to the British and other European intelligence services all spend far far more then e could ever afford. I'd be far more worried about are response capability last night from first call to Last terriost put down was 8 minutes. By any measurement a swift and effective response. Yet still 7 dead 50 in hospital. Imagine this in Ireland by the time an adiqute response was mobilised. They would have run out of people to kill and on there way back to what ever hope they came out from

The elephant in the room yet again is discussion of assimilation within the ranks of the Muslim communities in Europe. When a Muslim comes out and says Islam is a religion of peace, what do they mean? Do they mean when sharia law is in place then we will have peace. That is certainly what the Koran seems to be saying.

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Political correctness is the biggest ally of these Muslim radicals.
These questions need to be asked. In Ireland it is politically incorrect to ask them, but they should be asked nonetheless.
If it was one of my family lying dead on London Bridge or in that concert hall hall in Manchester, I would at the very least need these questions asked.








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Biggest lickspittle on boardz

riffmongous wrote: »

I wonder if they avoided use of civilians to minimise the risk of infiltration by Republican sympathisers? Go back a few years and a huge amount of the population would have had general sympathy for The Cause, even if they didn't have actual links.

Yes there was probably an element of this. But the Guards very much have an 'us versus the rest' mentality, so they probably didn't want dirty laundry being exposed to the public. Although the Gardai were still infiltrated by the IRA, the 2 RUC officers murdered after crossing back across the Border was almost certainly a tip off from a serving Garda.

But that attitude needs to change fast. There's a new player in town, and they are intent on causing mass casualties.

Here we go

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

I'm sure you wouldn't be quite so casual with people's lives if it was your child lying on the ground with her throat cut.

Read paragraph 2 of the OP for why I think an extra layer of security is warranted. There might also come a point post-Brexit where the UK decides the won't share intel with us anymore.

Or if Corbyn gets elected, he has indicated he would shut down the intelligence services :eek:

Not being casual just dout we can do better then thats already available. And even if we could last last 3 attacks in the U.K. Show no mater the intelligence attacks still happen. And we are wofuly ill equipped to respond to an attack as I said 8 minutes it took the London police to respond and stop the treat. Yet still 7 dead 50 injured. What do you think are response time would be 20 /30 mins an hour ?

bigpink

Huge amounts of muslims here illegal or on dodgy student visas.Limerick is packed with them.Not all bad but no checks

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Here we go wrote: »

Not being casual just dout we can do better then thats already available. And even if we could last last 3 attacks in the U.K. Show no mater the intelligence attacks still happen. And we are wofuly ill equipped to respond to an attack as I said 8 minutes it took the London police to respond and stop the treat. Yet still 7 dead 50 injured. What do you think are response time would be 20 /30 mins an hour ?

Sorry, my apologies. I misread your post, I thought you said 'only' 7 dead 50 injured. I'll have to lay off the toilet duck on Sunday mornings... :pac:

You are of course correct in your assessment of the response times. The UK was on full alert last night, with military deployment, so they were playing their strongest team on the field. And there was still a mass casualty attack with maximum security in place.

Our response to neutralise any threat would probably be over 1 hour at least.

TheAnalyst_

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Our response to neutralise any threat would probably be over 1 hour at least.

Based on what? How can you say something like that with zero knowledge or expertise?

Here we go

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

I'm sure you wouldn't be quite so casual with people's lives if it was your child lying on the ground with her throat cut.

Read paragraph 2 of the OP for why I think an extra layer of security is warranted. There might also come a point post-Brexit where the UK decides the won't share intel with us anymore.

Or if Corbyn gets elected, he has indicated he would shut down the intelligence services :eek:

Not being casual just dout we can do better then thats already available. And even if we could last last 3 attacks in the U.K. Show no mater the intelligence attacks still happen. And we are wofuly ill equipped to respond to an attack as I said 8 minutes it took the London police to respond and stop the treat. Yet still 7 dead 50 injured. What do you think are response time would be 20 /30 mins an hour ?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Based on what? How can you say something like that with zero knowledge or expertise?

As I said above, yesterday saw the UK on full alert. And still their earliest response was 8 minutes in the capital city. So lets say there is an incident in Ireland that requires the immediate insertion of the Army Ranger Wing. That'll mean notifying the ARW, mobilisation, and briefing. (Although the briefing can be done in transit).

Unlike the UK special forces, the ARW does not have their own 24/7 pilots or helicopters. So that will mean notifying the Air Corps. If the attack happens after 6, you'll be looking at trying to get a crew out to Baldonnel, during heavy traffic. They don't keep people on standby, as we tragically discovered during the crash of Rescue 116.

So that's a lot of time wasted already. Meanwhile, unarmed Gardai are asking the attacker politely to stop, or the might have to draw their batons. You can imagine how this will go down with an armed Islamic terrorist.

If they are lucky, an armed support unit might get in early and neutralise the terrorist. If he's not firing back, that is. And remember how the terrorists killed two armed police during the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Police are not bulletproof superheroes who will ride in and save the day for everyone like in a Hollywood movie.

It takes mountains of firepower and ammunition to take down a determined terrorist, who will probably the under the influence of drugs to reduce pain and increase their psychotic state.

Now all that is just for 1 terrorist. Imagine what will happen if there are a few of them marauding around Dublin in a mobile situation. Speaking of mobiles, I don't think we even have the capability to switch off our phone networks immediately, to ensure clear comms between the Emergency and Security services.

And if the attack is in a rural area, casualties will be enormous. The response times will be shocking.

I have more knowledge on these matters than you might think, at least academically. (I'm not claiming to be an super special agent or anything like that). And it keeps me awake at night when you realise how open we are to an attack. We have a grand total of 3 armed officers for Dublin airport.

At least the UK has a well experienced and aware population as a result of the Troubles. We haven't a clue what is about to happen.

But anyway, it makes no difference. Just like Pearl Harbour, all the information and warnings are there but most people don't care until it comes to their front door. Then and only then will the Irish public, media, and politicians take notice. By which time lives will have been needlessly lost.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

As I said above, yesterday saw the UK on full alert. And still their earliest response was 8 minutes in the capital city. So lets say there is an incident in Ireland that requires the immediate insertion of the Army Ranger Wing. That'll mean notifying the ARW, mobilisation, and briefing. (Although the briefing can be done in transit).

Unlike the UK special forces, the ARW does not have their own 24/7 pilots or helicopters. So that will mean notifying the Air Corps. If the attack happens after 6, you'll be looking at trying to get a crew out to Baldonnel, during heavy traffic. They don't keep people on standby, as we tragically discovered during the crash of Rescue 116.

So that's a lot of time wasted already. Meanwhile, unarmed Gardai are asking the attacker politely to stop, or the might have to draw their batons. You can imagine how this will go down with an armed Islamic terrorist.

If they are lucky, an armed support unit might get in early and neutralise the terrorist. If he's not firing back, that is. And remember how the terrorists killed two armed police during the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Police are not bulletproof superheroes who will ride in and save the day for everyone like in a Hollywood movie.

It takes mountains of firepower and ammunition to take down a determined terrorist, who will probably the under the influence of drugs to reduce pain and increase their psychotic state.

Now all that is just for 1 terrorist. Imagine what will happen if there are a few of them marauding around Dublin in a mobile situation. Speaking of mobiles, I don't think we even have the capability to switch off our phone networks immediately, to ensure clear comms between the Emergency and Security services.

And if the attack is in a rural area, casualties will be enormous. The response times will be shocking.

I have more knowledge on these matters than you might think, at least academically. (I'm not claiming to be an super special agent or anything like that). And it keeps me awake at night when you realise how open we are to an attack. We have a grand total of 3 armed officers for Dublin airport.

At least the UK has a well experienced and aware population as a result of the Troubles. We haven't a clue what is about to happen.

But anyway, it makes no difference. Just like Pearl Harbour, all the information and warnings are there but most people don't care until it comes to their front door. Then and only then will the Irish public, media, and politicians take notice. By which time lives will have been needlessly lost.

It actually was 8 minutes from the initial call to the shooting dead of the suspects. So response was clearly much quicker.

There won't be a situation that requires immediate insertion of the ARW, won't happen.

There are a huge amount of armed officers on patrol in Dublin 24 hours a day. ERU, ASU, SDU, all detectives are armed. So response time would be within minutes.

There wouldn't be much point in an Islamic terrorist attacking a rural area, they seem to like the busier areas. I can't think of a reason they would.

While there maybe 3 armed detectives attached to Dublin airport, there are lots more in Dublin. You don't think those 3 armed guards work 24/7/365 do you?

And if the UK has a well experienced police force & civilian population because of the troubles, I believe Ireland surely has too.

The one issue there could be, is if like you say, there are more than one attack in different areas at the same time. We won't have enough personnel to deal with that I would imagine. I mean any emergency services

TheAnalyst_

The army ranger wing? Christ...
We have units specifically for this task.
Emergency Response Unit,
Regional Support Unit. 
We've a lot more armed gardai than most people think.

In reality. You could go to a nightclub in Carrick on Shannon on a bank holiday. Shoot people for over an hour before an armed response would get there.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The army ranger wing? Christ...
We have units specifically for this task.
Emergency Response Unit,
Regional Support Unit. 
We've a lot more armed gardai than most people think.

In a major crisis, the ARW would almost certainly be called in to take the lead role. Their firepower would be superior to the Gardai's 9mm MP-7 sub-machine guns. One of the outcomes of the Paris attacks was that the French realised the were outgunned by the 7.62mm AK-47 assault rifles versus 9mm pistols and 5.56 carbines. The 7.62 has more range, stopping power, and accuracy.


Frankly, the ARW would be fitter, better trained, more aggressive, better armed, and more experienced in urban combat fighting.

To the best of my knowledge, it was the ARW that shot Dessie O Hare in an ambush. They were also deployed, but not used, during the Mountjoy siege.

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awec

It is a shame that every time there is one of these incidents the barstool intelligence and security experts all scurry out from under their rocks for a few days pretending that they have even the smallest idea about what counter terrorism is happening in this country.

Just because Irish intelligence services don't feature in endless Hollywood movies and we don't have our very own James Bond does not mean it doesn't exist or that they're all a bunch of uncouth paddies sitting around a table drinking tea and watching Father Ted on repeat.

Strong Life in Dublin

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

We do but its part of AGS. What difference does it make if it were separate organisation?

You will get much more capable smater people if it's separate. Because to join any unit in the garda you must a regular guard for at least 2 years.

So I dont think lads with PhDs or whatever wouls join