Buses and bicycles - whats the story

dashcamdanny

Just looking for a bit of input from cyclists.

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

Does this include bikes? A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday. And took exception to it. Swearing and making plonker out of himself infront of a packed bus.

Just wondering who is in the right. Are bikes considered traffic?

The reason I dont ask in the motors forum is that it will be 90% anti-cycle ..

Cantona's Collars

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Just looking for a bit of input from cyclists.

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

Does this include bikes? A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday. And took exception to it. Swearing and making plonker out of himself infront of a packed bus.

Just wondering who is in the right. Are bikes considered traffic?

The reason I dont ask in the motors forum is that it will be 90% anti-cycle ..

Bikes are considered to be a vehicle and are classed as traffic, they are liable to the same rules as cars,buses etc.

mr spuckler

cyclists are treated as normal traffic.

i wasn't aware however that any traffic had to yield to a bus pulling out from a stop?

Pinch Flat

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Just looking for a bit of input from cyclists.

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

Does this include bikes? A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday. And took exception to it. Swearing and making plonker out of himself infront of a packed bus.

Just wondering who is in the right. Are bikes considered traffic?

The reason I dont ask in the motors forum is that it will be 90% anti-cycle ..

My understanding Is that and indicator does not give automatic right of way, the onus is still on you to make sure no other traffic is approaching (including a bike - we're traffic as well ) before pulling out.

A bit of cop on always goes a long way as well, so if I see a bus pulling out as I'm approaching, I'll hold back to let him continue - not point in me overtaking for me to either hold him up or risk a close pass when he tried to overtake and there's not enough room.

Seaswimmer

Pinch Flat wrote: »

My understanding Is that and indicator does not give automatic right of way, the onus is still on you to make sure no other traffic is approaching (including a bike - we're traffic as well ) before pulling out.

A bit of cop on always goes a long way as well, so if I see a bus pulling out as I'm approaching, I'll hold back to let him continue - not point in me overtaking for me to either hold him up or risk a close pass when he tried to overtake and there's not enough room.

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way too early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

dashcamdanny

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way to early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

Rules of the road clearly state that traffic should yield to an indicating bus pulling back into traffic.

danmanw8

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way to early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

No, I've noticed this too. When I'm in my car, I think they're about to pull out and I wait for them and nothing happens.

Seaswimmer

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Rules of the road clearly state that traffic should yield to an indicating bus pulling back into traffic.

Should.......not must:)

amcalester

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Rules of the road clearly state that traffic should yield to an indicating bus pulling back into traffic.

Rules of the road or Statute? Only one of these has any legal bearing.

Edited:
I still wouldn't try to pass a bus that was half way through a maneuver.

dashcamdanny

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Should.......not must:)

Ahh.. you know the rules of the road!!:pac::pac::pac::D

Should is a very gray area!!

mr spuckler

the rotr says...

Taking care with buses and pedestrians
You should allow signalling buses back into the stream of traffic after they let passengers on and off.

funnily enough on the same page of the rotr as the above we have...

Taking care with cyclists
If you are at a junction where there is an advanced stop line for cyclists, you should allow cyclists to move off ahead of you.

so yeah, "should" does seem to be very subjective!

dashcamdanny

If I think they can stop safely or move away from me, I pull out. If they are passing me or about to pass, I yield to cycles (or cars) .

SOme cyclist go mental and start swearing like crazy though.

I just found a thread on it. Here on boards.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006771

Danbo!

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way too early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

I've noticed this for quite a while. Not all drivers do it, but I do understand why some do. It can be pretty frustrating to check behind, signal, go for the overtake, see the indicator before you clear the back of the bus, abandon the manoeuvre, move back to kerb, only to see a few passengers still waiting and sit and wait for the bus to actually move off.

dashcamdanny

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way too early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

This does happen. There are reasons for it. The two main reasons are

1. The door brake on the bus. We hit the close door button and indicator at the same time. Some buses close the door quick and its never a problem. Other buses with 2 doors or a slow door that will not release the brakes until everything is shut up tight. a few seconds.
2. A passenger thumbing for change or asking questions when you expect them to be in their seat and you are letting the hand brake off.. ..


And I nearly forgot. some buses will not release the brakes unless the suspension is full up. The driver is trying to go, but the bus says no.

magicbastarder

Mercian Pro wrote: »

Surprised no other pedant hasn't pointed this out before but this is one of the (thankfully) few "near misses". Technically, all the others are near collisions.

Sorry!

you appear to be assuming 'near' means 'nearly' - one means close proximity, the other means almost, but not quite.

magicbastarder

i.e. i can legitimately claim that i was once near the winner of the tour de france.
i cannot claim that i was once nearly the winner of the tour de france.

ThisRegard

dashcamdanny wrote: »

If I think they can stop safely

You shouldn't be pulling out in front of cyclists if they have to stop because of it.

shootermacg

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Just looking for a bit of input from cyclists.

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

Does this include bikes? A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday. And took exception to it. Swearing and making plonker out of himself infront of a packed bus.

Just wondering who is in the right. Are bikes considered traffic?

The reason I dont ask in the motors forum is that it will be 90% anti-cycle ..

You are parked for all intents and purposes and it's up to you to safely enter traffic. But you'll find cyclists will be more liable to let the bus out when they see an indicator, because you're blocking the cycle lane. Other traffic just want to be ahead of a bus, so that you're not holding them up at the next stop. That behavior becomes more ridiculous the nearer you get to town, because of the mad rush to get 10M down the road to the tail end of traffic.

check_six

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Are bikes considered traffic?

I know you're inquiring with the best of intentions, and you're just looking for the appropriate system that will keep everyone happy out on the roads, but your post has scared the sh*t out of me, if I'm honest.

I'm reminded of the other bus close passes listed in this very thread, and I'm wondering if the bus drivers in those stories are deciding if cyclists are considered traffic or something 'lesser' when they go for their poorly chosen manoeuvre.

Anyway, it looks like you've got a good steer from the other posters on here, so maybe you could spread the word with your colleagues?

dashcamdanny

ThisRegard wrote: »

You shouldn't be pulling out in front of cyclists if they have to stop because of it.

As the original question stated. Why not? The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

It also says I should pull out safely. If a bike has to stop safely, then why should I not pull out.

By not, I would have to wait with 70 odd people on board while someone lets me out.

Its black and white in any other countries. If you see an indicator , you stop and give way. Or get fined in some cases.

As Ireland seems not to prioritize public transport, it leaves the area gray.

Seaswimmer

dashcamdanny wrote: »

As the original question stated. Why not? The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

It also says I should pull out safely. If a bike has to stop safely, then why should I not pull out.

By not, I would have to wait with 70 odd people on board while someone lets me out.

Its black and white in any other countries. If you see an indicator , you stop and give way. Or get fined in some cases.

As Ireland seems not to prioritize public transport, it leaves the area gray.

This is the point. Signage on buses, an advertising campaign and a law on the statute books (with appropriate penalty points/ on the spot fines) should improve the situation.

Tombo2001

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Just looking for a bit of input from cyclists.

I drive a bus.

As you already probably know. Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

Does this include bikes? A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday. And took exception to it. Swearing and making plonker out of himself infront of a packed bus.

Just wondering who is in the right. Are bikes considered traffic?

The reason I dont ask in the motors forum is that it will be 90% anti-cycle ..

Theres the ROTR and there is what is safe.

I think in both respects, once that indicator goes on, the bike should be hanging back, should not attempt an overtake.

What I find sometimes is that I am beginning my overtake - and bear in mind it probably takes 2-3 seconds for a bike to pass a bus -I am beginning my overtake and then the indicator goes on at the same time so now I am on the RHS of the bus.

Sometimes, rarely to be honest, but sometimes....the bus will put on the indicator and pull out at the same time - and if I am on the RHS of the bus then that obviously is a problem.

I had an interesting one yesterday on Pearse St where I was cycling in the Bus Lane. A bus ahead of me was stationary, and I went to overtake it. However as I was overtaking (into the RHS lane) the bus took off, driving ahead in the bus lane. So then I had clear bus lane to my left again. I went to move back into it; however another bus was travelling fast along the lane and basically didn't slow down at all as the first bus had taken off - this was split second stuff and fortunately I had looked back and saw him coming.

mr spuckler

dashcamdanny wrote: »

As the original question stated. Why not? The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

It also says I should pull out safely. If a bike has to stop safely, then why should I not pull out.

By not, I would have to wait with 70 odd people on board while someone lets me out.

Its black and white in any other countries. If you see an indicator , you stop and give way. Or get fined in some cases.

As Ireland seems not to prioritize public transport, it leaves the area gray.

it's a deliberately narrow interpretation to use this as your logic but ignore the other rules that might disagree with it.

bearing in mind you started out by saying that other traffic must give way and are now saying that your 70 passengers give you the right to do things that the rules of the road don't.

HivemindXX

I'm a little surprised this is an issue when it seems to me that cars are a far bigger problem in this situation. I would generally prefer to have a bus ahead of than behind me so I almost always wait behind one that is indicating. I very frequently see the bus, which has been indicating, start to pull out and then have to stop while a steady stream of cars, all of whom would much rather be the ones ahead, go past.

As was already mentioned I have often enough found that even though the driver is indicating they are not yet ready to pull out. On occasion they will pull out anyway when I am passing, which is very annoying. Check your copy of the rules of the road, drivers must make sure it is clear before they pull out. Not should. Must.

I have also experienced busses which start to indicate and then pull out after I have already started to pass. Once again nobody should have any problem understanding why a cyclist would be annoyed by this sort of dangerous driving.

Most cyclists seem to be very happy to wait to let busses out.

dashcamdanny

HivemindXX wrote: »

I'm a little surprised this is an issue when it seems to me that cars are a far bigger problem in this situation. I would generally prefer to have a bus ahead of than behind me so I almost always wait behind one that is indicating. I very frequently see the bus, which has been indicating, start to pull out and then have to stop while a steady stream of cars, all of whom would much rather be the ones ahead, go past.

As was already mentioned I have often enough found that even though the driver is indicating they are not yet ready to pull out. On occasion they will pull out anyway when I am passing, which is very annoying. Check your copy of the rules of the road, drivers must make sure it is clear before they pull out. Not should. Must.

I have also experienced busses which start to indicate and then pull out after I have already started to pass. Once again nobody should have any problem understanding why a cyclist would be annoyed by this sort of dangerous driving.

Most cyclists seem to be very happy to wait to let busses out.

I would never delibratly put anyone in any danger, I would wishfully hope all the driver would be on the same line of thought.

You are correct , most cycles do let us out.

But what you said about the rules. This is the area that needs to be clear.

Say I have a soild line of traffic to my right. travelling at 30kph. If I was to wait till it was clear, I would have to wait in my stop till the end of rush hour. Unless I get let out.
So its written in that other traffic should yield to me.

So what is it? Do I ignore one rule..

I know common sence prevails, but what about the black and white. Waiting on charity from other road users has no place in court if there is an accident.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

dashcamdanny wrote: »

As the original question stated. Why not?

Because it's dangerous and stupid. I hope that's clear enough for you. It doesn't matter if you are driving a bus, car or motorbike.

The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

Should, as in, "I should really go to the gym today". Rules of the road are not law, show us where it states that traffic must (not should) yield to traffic.

Buses should also stop at red lights and don't have the right to block a yellow box, but that's an every day occurrence in Dublin.

It also says I should pull out safely. If a bike has to stop safely, then why should I not pull out.

By not, I would have to wait with 70 odd people on board while someone lets me out.

Its black and white in any other countries. If you see an indicator , you stop and give way. Or get fined in some cases.

As Ireland seems not to prioritize public transport, it leaves the area gray.

But we are not discussing any other country, we are discussing Ireland. You can't just pick and chose rules from other countries to compare to Ireland, that's just not logical.

Indicator does NOT give you right of way.

magicbastarder

dashcamdanny wrote: »

The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

the issue here though is that the ROTR is not the law.
that said, i do try to be courteous to buses. what goes around, etc.

dashcamdanny

Helen Some Codfish wrote: »

Because it's dangerous and stupid. I hope that's clear enough for you. It doesn't matter if you are driving a bus, car or motorbike.



Should, as in, "I should really go to the gym today". Rules of the road are not law, show us where it states that traffic must (not should) yield to traffic.

Buses should also stop at red lights and don't have the right to block a yellow box, but that's an every day occurrence in Dublin.





But we are not discussing any other country, we are discussing Ireland. You can't just pick and chose rules from other countries to compare to Ireland, that's just not logical.

Indicator does NOT give you right of way.

I was being very clear. I would not pull out if it was dangerous. That means it would be safe to stop behind me.

Are you trying to turn this into some sort of angry argument? We all see silly stuff everyday on Dublin roads, From suicidal cycles to raging bus drivers.

The question was the interpretation of this

"You should allow signalling buses back into the stream of traffic after they let passengers on and off. Be especially careful of pedestrians getting on and off buses and of children near schools, and when near schools always be prepared to stop."

And whether cycles and other road users should or do abide by it. By overtaking you put enlightening passengers at risk.

Should it be written into law to make it compulsory? Like other counties. Which does have bearing as Ireland seems to be behind other counties with regard public transport. And we need to model ourselves on systems that work.

Being not written into law does as much weight as you think as lots of road practice in the ROTR are not in the irish statute book yet if you disobey them you will be blamed in an accident.

cjt156

The 'rules of the road' are easy to quote without any reference to any legal source material.
I'd be very interested in seeing the legislation that says traffic must stop for an indicating bus. I'd happily admit to being wrong if anyone can point me to it.

Annie get your Run

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I was being very clear. I would not pull out if it was dangerous. That means it would be safe to stop behind me.


"You should allow signalling buses back into the stream of traffic after they let passengers on and off. Be especially careful of pedestrians getting on and off buses and of children near schools, and when near schools always be prepared to stop."

And whether cycles and other road users should or do abide by it. By overtaking you put enlightening passengers at risk.

Should it be written into law to make it compulsory? Like other counties. Which does have bearing as Ireland seems to be behind other counties with regard public transport. And we need to model ourselves on systems that work.

Being not written into law does as much weight as you think as lots of road practice in the ROTR are not in the irish statute book yet if you disobey them you will be blamed in an accident.

I'm not sure you can make this call yourself though, how do you know whether its safe for someone else to stop or not? My understanding of the rules of the road are that you shouldn't do anything that causes another road user to have to stop suddenly.

For what it's worth putting something on the statute books won't mean it's followed either, unfortunately there are very many people on our roads who don't care a whit about the 'rules' or the law for that matter.

I will yield to a bus if I can, if I haven't yielded to you it's because it was not safe for me to do so. Sometimes drivers will recognise that and stay stopped, sometimes they don't care less about me or my safety and they'll continue the manouver putting me in further danger.

NeedMoreGears

As far as I can see from SI 294 of 1964 (I cant seem to locate a more up to date version)

22.—(1) When starting from a stationary position a driver shall yield the right of way to other traffic and pedestrians

This appears to be the legal requirement - I couldn't locate a provision that gave an exemption to buses or imposed an obligation on other drivers (which definition includes the person cycling a bike) to yield when a bus has signalled an intent to pull out. Having said that , it makes sense to me that drivers should let buses out as a matter of courtesy - but the fact remains that other drivers are not obliged to yield the right of way to a bus in the circumstances described.

I love Sean nos

dashcamdanny wrote: »

By overtaking you put enlightening passengers at risk.

Could you give examples of how this is done? Do you give lectures or hand out audiobooks for the journey?

plodder

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Exactly this. Except there seems to be a bit of a trend where bus drivers put on their indicator way too early and you wait patiently only to find people still standing paying their fare. Or maybe I have just noticed it a bit recently.

I emailed Dublin Bus about this exact issue several months ago, and in fairness whoever replied got that it's not acceptable behaviour. It only annoys people who are happy to let buses out (drivers and cyclists) with the result they don't bother in future. They said they would put up a notice in the depot about it.

As far as I was aware, there isn't any legal obligation to let buses pull out. The relevant statement in the ROTR would say "must" rather than "should" if there were. Though I think it should be mandatory.

Wishbone Ash

dashcamdanny wrote: »

This does happen. There are reasons for it. The two main reasons are

1. The door brake on the bus. We hit the close door button and indicator at the same time. Some buses close the door quick and its never a problem. Other buses with 2 doors or a slow door that will not release the brakes until everything is shut up tight. a few seconds.
2. A passenger thumbing for change or asking questions when you expect them to be in their seat and you are letting the hand brake off.. ..


And I nearly forgot. some buses will not release the brakes unless the suspension is full up. The driver is trying to go, but the bus says no.

Danny - I used to drive buses and I agree that they all 'behave' differently. However the simple solution is to wait until the doors have closed, the floor has risen and the parking brake has released before activating the indicator.

As others have said, it is recommended that other road users allow buses to pull out but it is not a statutory requirement. You are legally obliged to wait until it is clear and safe.

ThisRegard

dashcamdanny wrote: »

As the original question stated. Why not? The rules of the road says traffic should give way to a bus.

It also says I should pull out safely. If a bike has to stop safely, then why should I not pull out.

Are you really a bus driver?! FWIW I more often than not let buses out when I'm driving, but you're not entitled to pull out and force cyclists or any traffic to stop to enable you do so. As a professional driver you shouldn't even have had to ask in the first place if people on bikes are traffic.

I love Sean nos

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Traffic must yield to and indicating bus pulling back into traffic from a stop.

That's not true.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

And took exception to it.

Fancy that.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Swearing and making plonker out of himself in front of a packed bus.

Unlike the driver of the bus, who almost caused a collision in front of said passengers, while supposedly transporting them safely.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Just wondering who is in the right.

Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to drive your bus into or over people. If you have any doubt about this matter, ask your company instructor/trainer.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Are bikes considered traffic?

Yes.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

A bike got a bit of a squeeze yesterday when to passed me at speed from my while I was in the middle of a maneuver yesterday.

Thanks for joining a thread in a cycling forum about near misses, holding up your hand and saying, "It's me. I cause them."

Hrududu

mr spuckler wrote: »

at some point we need to reset and remember that we're in a thread discussing near misses. it seems to get derailed very frequently!

Yes can this be taken to a new thread?

dashcamdanny

I love Sean nos wrote: »

That's not true.


Fancy that.


Unlike the driver of the bus, who almost caused a collision in front of said passengers, while supposedly transporting them safely.


Doesn't matter. You're not allowed to drive your bus into or over people. If you have any doubt about this matter, ask your company instructor/trainer.


Yes.


Thanks for joining a thread in a cycling forum about near misses, holding up your hand and saying, "It's me. I cause them."

Since ya put so much effort into that quote, I thought the least I could do is reply...
As i said .. and you quoted.. I was in the middle of a manover. Its genrally a good idea for a bike or car to stop and not continue until its safe to do so. I cant see behind the bus.
Thanks for your kind words though. You sound like a nice fella..

Corca Baiscinn

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Could you give examples of how this is done? Do you give lectures or hand out audiobooks for the journey?

I don't like this belittling of a poster who makes an error and uses the wrong word. What about all the Boards advice about not playing the man? it's clear Danny meant alighting, so why not just disagree with his point instead of making snide remarks

I love Sean nos

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

I don't like this belittling of a poster who makes an error and uses the wrong word. What about all the Boards advice about not playing the man? it's clear Danny meant alighting, so why not just disagree with his point instead of making snide remarks

I wasn't belittling him, I took his statement at face value rather than assuming he meant something different. Why do you feel the need to score points by drawing attention to my misunderstanding of what he meant to say?

dashcamdanny

I love Sean nos wrote: »

I wasn't belittling him, I took his statement at face value rather than assuming he meant something different. Why do you feel the need to score points by drawing attention to my misunderstanding of what he meant to say?

Its ok. As a bus driver I have developed a thick skin. I am using a phone so its trying to correct my bad grammmmer.

Ok. So a situation where it could be considered dangerous would be exiting passengers running in front of a bus and making a dive across the road.
School kids do this more so than others.
I believe for this very reason in the states all traffic must stop behind a bus.

punisher5112

If pulling into a stop cyclists must yield.

Its not a rule on the pulling out but people are asked to be considerate and allow a bus out.

Yellow boxes at the end of bus lanes are fitted for the reason as most will block the bus even with the yellow box.

If a bus has indicated and already safely pulled out and is in traffic lane then bus is in lane.

Simple rule to all on the road if you can't see me or my mirror then quite simply I can't see you.

Cyclists will stay as far left to the last second then pull out which means when in a large vehicle they can't be seen and also remember the bigger the vehicle the more blind spots it has.

I love Sean nos

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I was in the middle of a manover. Its genrally a good idea for a bike or car to stop and not continue until its safe to do so. I cant see behind the bus.

This isn't a gameshow; "I've started so I'll finish" is not appropriate. If a manoeuvre is unsafe half way through, it's likely that it was unsafe at the beginning and started in error. Regardless, if a manoeuvre becomes unsafe, you cease. You don't blunder on. This is basic stuff, covered in private car and motorcycle training. I'm surprised that it's not covered in bus driver training. Taxis...they're another bunch of LOLs, but I have higher expectations of bus drivers because it's a larger vehicle and carrying people.

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Thanks for your kind words though. You sound like a nice fella..

I'm grand really. Perhaps a bit touchy if bullied by a bus as a roaduser.

punisher5112

I love Sean nos wrote: »

This isn't a gameshow; "I've started so I'll finish" is not appropriate. If a manoeuvre is unsafe half way through, it's likely that it was unsafe at the beginning and started in error. Regardless, if a manoeuvre becomes unsafe, you cease. You don't blunder on. This is basic stuff, covered in private car and motorcycle training. I'm surprised that it's not covered in bus driver training. Taxis...they're another bunch of LOLs, but I have higher expectations of bus drivers because it's a larger vehicle and carrying people.


I'm grand really. Perhaps a bit touchy if bullied by a bus as a roaduser.

If one has pulled out safely the onus is then on traffic behind to pull back or slow down to a safe speed which should be adhered to anyway.

Just because someone is on a bicycle doesn't take away from that.

ED E

Funny how those paid to drive always have the least clue how to actually do it...

Wishbone Ash

punisher5112 wrote: »

If pulling into a stop cyclists must yield....

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say there - that cyclists must yield to a bus which is pulling up to a bus stop? You think a bus may pass a cyclist and then immediately pull into a stop? How about reading the road ahead and simply waiting behind the cyclist for a second or two and then pull in?

punisher5112

ED E wrote: »

Funny how those paid to drive always have the least clue how to actually do it...

Funny how the ones that don't have a licence believe they are always right.



Look this is something everyone needs to understand no matter what people make mistakes its never going to change but pedestrians and cyclists even if in the right its not the brightest idea to take on any vehicle of any size but especially a bus or truck as usually there is only one winner.

punisher5112

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say there - that cyclists must yield to a bus which is pulling up to a bus stop? You think a bus may pass a cyclist and then immediately pull into a stop? How about reading the road ahead and simply waiting behind the cyclist for a second or two and then pull in?

I apologise I wasn't clear.

No I do not condone above.

I mean in terms of say I'm driving along and indicate and am pulling in and haven't just flown past and darted in.


That is a sh1tty thing to do and unsafe what you have said.

Wishbone Ash

punisher5112 wrote: »

Funny how the ones that don't have a licence believe they are always right..

I have a full clean driving licence in all 14 categories.

(and my bus licence is a proper unrestricted one unlike the ones most DB drivers have).

...and about 85% of cyclists are also motorists.

punisher5112

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I have a full clean driving licence in all 14 categories.

(and my bus licence is a proper unrestricted one unlike the ones most DB drivers have).

...and about 85% of cyclists are also motorists.

Excellent so what's your point.

I have a licence but not all categories but let's say a good few.

Like anything in life there are d1cks driving and cycling and walking.

Again no point been right and dead taking on a large vehicle.

punisher5112

Car license is probably the easiest to acquire and bus and truck the hardest with a cpc each year.

Driving standards are terrible and it seems lately a lot more in a hurry and highly stressed.

I find women have gotten a lot more aggressive and will not give an inch and pass in very bad situations even with oncoming traffic.