Why are we hating all the men?

Wibbs

cloudatlas wrote: »

'h:rolleyes: 'hysteria' is always a word that is associated with females, which implies that they are over emotional and irrational as opposed to their male counterparts who are calm collected unemotive, that is also a tool used to put down discussion.

Going by the usual suspects in the media's reaction to this non existent scandal, hysterics and histrionics were and remain the order of the day. IIRC one was primal screaming about it, while running to daddy, while questioning her grandfathers affection for her. If the cap fits...

Indeed many such public "feminist" pundits closely follow, even promote the old misogynistic view of women as weak over emotional child adults without personal agency or responsibility in need of near constant protection from above(usually men). Irony all over the place.

cloudatlas

Foxhound38 wrote: »

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The point is that it wasn't true, but even in the face of this fact nobody backed down from the hysteria because "it could have been true". Do you honestly not see a problem with this?

I don't remember them continuing to write articles about the UCD story after it was judged not to be true maybe you can link to the articles.

silverharp

OldNotWIse wrote: »

if they align themselves with what seems to be the current "feminist" ethos but I mean more that they are feminist in terms of what feminism actually meant before it was taken over by those who don't understand it.

Looking back to the 50's or 60's in contrast to today surely a "mission accomplished" sign should have gone up in the 90's?. Its more true to say that feminists represent feminists and its why a lot of women don't identify as feminists. The remaining feminists either want a form of supremacy or are just angry people that want to drag culture and standards down to their level because they aren't capable of competing.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

IMH any man who buys into modern "feminism" is a turkey voting for Christmas. He has either not read into it and/or has bought into the BS involved. And I'm including the mainstream movement too BTW. The usual response is the daftness is at the fringes, but it's not just the fringes anymore. The fringe has become ever more mainstream.

A couple of women I know who would call themselves feminists also hate the "fringes" but every week I have another example of how it's mainstream, despite me not paying much attention to TV/radio/papers. The other day on George Hook (not my choice :P ) they were discussing the interview Theresa May and her husband did. They were talking about housework and taking out the bins and May made a throwaway comment about there being "Boy jobs and Girl jobs". The rent-a-gob took massive umbridge to this, saying May had set back Feminism by 30 years and that her comments were "an absolute disgrace". This is on a national radio station at lunchtime.

Even aside from the "mainstream" thing, her reaction showed the major issue with "feminists" and the "left", and it's something that would usually have been associated with conservatives; everything is either great or it's the biggest deal possible. I thought May's comment was a bit silly and without context I instantly wondered if it was down to her usual lack of awareness or if maybe it was just tongue-in-cheek. I was wrong. A woman who's become the leader of the UK and likely to give the Tories their best election result in 30 years is actually in favour of reinforcing traditional gender roles.

conorhal

Contrarian feminist Camille Paglia has zero time for the politics of victim hierarchies.
Her general point in this very interesting video is that feminism used to be about women wanting the right to take risks, now the neuroticism of third wave feminism means that it has become about the right to be protected from risk, in a rather ironically 'paternalistic manner'.

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

A couple of women I know who would call themselves feminists also hate the "fringes" but every week I have another example of how it's mainstream, despite me not paying much attention to TV/radio/papers. The other day on George Hook (not my choice :P ) they were discussing the interview Theresa May and her husband did. They were talking about housework and taking out the bins and May made a throwaway comment about there being "Boy jobs and Girl jobs". The rent-a-gob took massive umbridge to this, saying May had set back Feminism by 30 years and that her comments were "an absolute disgrace". This is on a national radio station at lunchtime.

Even aside from the "mainstream" thing, her reaction showed the major issue with "feminists" and the "left", and it's something that would usually have been associated with conservatives; everything is either great or it's the biggest deal possible. I thought May's comment was a bit silly and without context I instantly wondered if it was down to her usual lack of awareness or if maybe it was just tongue-in-cheek. I was wrong. A woman who's become the leader of the UK and likely to give the Tories their best election result in 30 years is actually in favour of reinforcing traditional gender roles.

I was watching sky news last night and some female presenter brought up the jobs thing with Michael Gove (an MP) and be basically had to give the grovelling answer that his wife was the boss. so its like everyone has to play along with the fantasy or else invite a gaggling sh1t storm into your space.

conorhal

conorhal wrote: »

Contrarian feminist Camille Paglia has zero time for the politics victim hierarchies.
Her general point in this very interesting video is that feminism used to be about women wanting the right to take risks, now the neuroticism of third wave feminism has become about the right to be protected from risk in a rather ironically 'paternalistic manner'.

Even at that, in a lot of ways to me it seems like there's an attempt to infantilise the men also. Came across an article about how it's because of "immature" men that women are having kids later in life. It goes on about men not being settled in their careers being "immature", which I don't quite understand, I would've thought not having a kid until firm structures to support a family were in place was a pretty mature, responsible attitude to have.
And of course it mentioned young women making 8% more than men but saw no issue with it. :pac:

B0jangles

I'd just like to point out that yet again a thread which might actually have started out talking about issues facing men in the modern world has turned into a thread to talk about how terrible and ****ty feminism is; with a fun sideline on how women are crap at sport!

Serious question: Does the modern men's movement and those who support it have any idea or plans for how to improve the lot of unhappy men beyond getting feminists to shut up?

Do any of you have any original ideas for creating support networks for abused men, or for helping men struggling to cope with changed societal expectations of them, to throw out a couple of starting points?

Feminists saw and still see societies with a wide range of inequalities and fought to change them; as far as I can see men's rights activists see a changing world and want to make it all stop - a fundamental difference which I think has led to the conspicuous absence of ideas the movement has for positive actions which would actually help men.

NinjaKirby

B0jangles wrote: »

I'd just like to point out that yet again a thread which might actually have started out talking about issues facing men in the modern world has turned into a thread to talk about how terrible and ****ty feminism is; with a fun sideline on how women are crap at sport!

Serious question: Does the modern men's movement and those who support it have any idea or plans for how to improve the lot of unhappy men beyond getting feminists to shut up?

Do any of you have any original ideas for creating support networks for abused men, or for helping men struggling to cope with changed societal expectations of them, to throw out a couple of starting points?

The Men's Rights Movement has shot itself in the foot so many times that the chances of "MRA" ever being seen as anything other than "woman hating" are probably zero.

I think it's interesting though that people are so unforgiving of the Men's Rights Movement while seemingly able to give Feminist failings a free pass or to just dismiss them with a bit of the old "whataboutery".

In a thread entitled "why are we hating all the men" it would seem obvious to me that Feminism would be prominently mentioned.

The modern mens movement has LOTS of ideas for how to improve the lot of men (you have access to Google, yes?) but people are so determined to take the worst of the movement and brand the whole thing "woman hating".

Meanwhile the Feminist movement gets treated far more leniently.

silverharp

B0jangles wrote: »

I'd just like to point out that yet again a thread which might actually have started out talking about issues facing men in the modern world has turned into a thread to talk about how terrible and ****ty feminism is; with a fun sideline on how women are crap at sport!

Serious question: Does the modern men's movement and those who support it have any idea or plans for how to improve the lot of unhappy men beyond getting feminists to shut up?

Do any of you have any original ideas for creating support networks for abused men, or for helping men struggling to cope with changed societal expectations of them, to throw out a couple of starting points?

Feminists saw and still see a set of societies with deep inequalities and fought to change them; as far as I can see men's rights activists see a changing world and want it to stop the changes - a fundamental difference which I think has led to the conspicuous absence of ideas the movement has for positive actions which would actually help men.

do something about the educational disadvantage that boys and men face instead of tweaking to perfection every area where women think they want to be. At the end of the day if boys and men are left behind and/or men check out then women lose out too. Men might be able to deal with a strictly egalitarian society but men cant take on women and a State that wants to take them down or doesn't respect them

B0jangles

B0jangles wrote: »

I'd just like to point out that yet again a thread which might actually have started out talking about issues facing men in the modern world has turned into a thread to talk about how terrible and ****ty feminism is; with a fun sideline on how women are crap at sport!

Well unfortunately the two issues are related.

Serious question: Does the modern men's movement and those who support it have any idea or plans for how to improve the lot of unhappy men beyond getting feminists to shut up?

Hard to see much actually being done but I would consider the following ideas:
- School needs to reflect that a lot of kids aren't going to thrive when they have to sit still for 5-6 hours a day.
- In Ireland specifically (bringing another issue in) we have too many charities, especially in things that should be provided by the state rather than funded by the state on an ad-hoc, who shouts the loudest, basis.
- Honesty. A gender pay gap report was put together. Shows that some cohorts of women earn more than equivalent men. Instead of saying that, it's reported that they earn -x% less than men. When domestic violence stats show men are pretty much as likely as women to experience it, it's ignored in favour of 1 in 4. Where men outnumber women in a field something has to change, but not the other way (see the first point about school).

Do any of you have any original ideas for creating support networks for abused men, or for helping men struggling to cope with changed societal expectations of them, to throw out a couple of starting points?

It's hard to see anything changing. There's a large group of men who've given up. There's some who sit near the top of the income pyramid and make their money for pointing out how hard women have it. There's some who (unfortunately myself included) don't like the idea of having to align with people (almost half the population) because of their genitals, despite having little to nothing else in common. Then there's those who try to argue and are shut down for being sexists, and probably racists because **** 'em.

B0jangles

NinjaKirby wrote: »

The Men's Rights Movement has shot itself in the foot so many times that the chances of "MRA" ever being seen as anything other than "woman hating" are probably zero.

I think it's interesting though that people are so unforgiving of the Men's Rights Movement while seemingly able to give Feminist failings a free pass or to just dismiss them with a bit of the old "whataboutery".

In a thread entitled "why are we hating all the men" it would seem obvious to me that Feminism would be prominently mentioned.

The modern mens movement has LOTS of ideas for how to improve the lot of men (you have access to Google, yes?) but people are so determined to take the worst of the movement and brand the whole thing "woman hating".

If there are all these great ideas why are they never ever mentioned in the relevant threads on boards? From this thread alone it is apparent that there are a great many people concerned with the well-being of men in the modern world but they appear not to have any idea of how to do anything about it beyond complaining about feminism. To be a tad cynical, it seems like they are far happier complaining than actually making even a minimal effort towards doing something positive.

Wibbs

cloudatlas wrote: »

We all acknowledged that it wasn't true but asking someone who thought it was true before it was found not to be true to apologise because the newspapers ran with it is a bit silly.

Maybe in your worldview. Certainly not mine. If I was to go off and demonise a particular group because of information that I later found out it was bogus, I would a) feel like an ass b) retract my previous statements and c) apologise for my error. That's what adults do, or should.

The UCD college newspaper was at fault.

Another major trend in "feminism", it's always somebody else's fault*. Again the position taken by children.




*usually men, or the "Patriarchy", but they really mean men. Women are almost never at fault and if they are, again it's because of the "Patriarchy", IE men.

cloudatlas

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe in your worldview. Certainly not mine. If I was to go off and demonise a particular group because of information that I later found out it was bogus, I would a) feel like an ass b) retract my previous statements and c) apologise for my error. That's what adults do, or should.

Another major trend in "feminism", it's always somebody else's fault*. Again the position taken by children.




*usually men, or the "Patriarchy", but they really mean men. Women are almost never at fault and if they are, again it's because of the "Patriarchy", IE men.

How exactly would a broadsheet newspaper apologise to a fictional group?

BTW I assumed it was true as did others should I go round apologising to all the people I discussed it with. Sorry that the thing we thought was true was not true, and that I thought it was true and I feel apologetic towards the fictional group who were effected by...

:rolleyes:

Yourself isit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But then we just disagree. I think rape culture is the trivialisation of the association of sex and violence, and I think it's rampant in Ireland. You have a different standard of what constitutes rape culture, so naturally we will disagree.

Everytime I hear feminists complain about a rape culture that includes locker room talk, they also include the guys who say nothing for allowing that kind of talk to be normalised.

That be you. You're the one with the locker room banter all around you. I haven't heard "smash it" since I was 20, if not younger.

It's maybe because you are in more locker room situations with younger guys than most people your age. In which case speak up. No point complaining about a culture that surrounds you (but clearly not is universal) on the Internet if your don't in real life.

NinjaKirby

B0jangles wrote: »

If there are all these great ideas why are they never ever mentioned in the relevant threads on boards? From this thread alone it is apparent that there are a great many people concerned with the well-being of men in the modern world but they appear not to have any idea of how to do anything about it beyond complaining about feminism. To be a tad cynical, it seems like they are far happier complaining than actually making even a minimal effort towards doing something positive.

Hey, if you want to go ahead and declare yourself a Men's Rights Activist and vocally support the Men's Rights Movement then you go ahead and let us all know how that works out for you.

Did it occur to you that threads like this maybe exist because people are frustrated by a situation where it's all just fine to vilify men in mainstream media and equally fine to shut down people who do want to make a point about men's rights?

I wonder what would happen if someone made a documentary doing EXACTLY what you have suggested here...

https://twitter.com/Cassie_Jaye/status/862410809795686400

Oh. Right.

Some of this could be self inflicted because, as I said, the Men's Rights Movement has shot itself in the foot many, many times and the online community is so unforgiving of any and all mistakes.

Your criticisms could easily be applied to the Feminist Movement but they very rarely are. Maybe it's this disparity between the treatment of the two groups that leads to threads such as this one?

silverharp

B0jangles wrote: »

If there are all these great ideas why are they never ever mentioned in the relevant threads on boards? From this thread alone it is apparent that there are a great many people concerned with the well-being of men in the modern world but they appear not to have any idea of how to do anything about it beyond complaining about feminism. To be a tad cynical, it seems like they are far happier complaining than actually making even a minimal effort towards doing something positive.

men are pragmatic as well, you just look at it and go "nothing will change step aside, life is too short". Maybe a societal crash of some sort down the way is needed as a reset so enjoy the decline in the meantime.
Even with the feminism thing, its not like the end of a Scooby Doo episode where the guy says "I would have got away with it if it wanst for you pesky feminists" . Japan for example doesn't have a western style feminist movement but a whole section of men are giving up and seem happy enough to live on minimum ways jobs . So you have declining birth rates which in their case might work out in the end.

One eyed Jack

B0jangles wrote: »

If there are all these great ideas why are they never ever mentioned in the relevant threads on boards? From this thread alone it is apparent that there are a great many people concerned with the well-being of men in the modern world but they appear not to have any idea of how to do anything about it beyond complaining about feminism. To be a tad cynical, it seems like they are far happier complaining than actually making even a minimal effort towards doing something positive.

I'd be equally as cynical as yourself though of both "movements". I would have addressed it in Outlaw Pete's reply to my earlier post but the thread has moved on since.

I would suggest that the modern feminist movement has become more about complaining than actually doing anything, and that the MRA movement has in turn chosen to ape this model, rather than as you rightly suggest, actually doing anything to address issues of men's welfare.

I don't see anything positive in either 'movement', which is why I don't associate myself with either movement, and I am as critical of one as the other, equally, because both movements as I suggested earlier, have disconnected themselves from the people they claim to represent.

That's why I would suggest that neither 'movement' will ever bring anything positive to the table, nor IME do they intend to. They are too focussed on 'issues' rather than people, and both 'movements' have chosen the perspective of playing the victim and blaming each other, setting themselves up in direct opposition to each other, rather than focussing on providing leadership to the people they claim to be advocating for.

B0jangles

NinjaKirby wrote: »

Hey, if you want to go ahead and declare yourself a Men's Rights Activist and vocally support the Men's Rights Movement then you go ahead and let us all know how that works out for you.

Did it occur to you that threads like this maybe exist because people are frustrated by a situation where it's all just fine to vilify men in mainstream media and equally fine to shut down people who do want to make a point about men's rights?

I wonder what would happen if someone made a documentary doing EXACTLY what you have suggested here...

https://twitter.com/Cassie_Jaye/status/862410809795686400

Oh. Right.

Some of this could be self inflicted because, as I said, the Men's Rights Movement has shot itself in the foot many, many times and the online community is so unforgiving of any and all mistakes.

Your criticisms could easily be applied to the Feminist Movement but they very rarely are. Maybe it's this disparity between the treatment of the two groups that leads to threads such as this one?

You have GOT to be joking?

Feminism gets a free pass online but the Men's Right Movement has a hard time?

Try posting anything even vaguely positive about feminism on boards and see how far you get

irishman86

Its funny how rape culture is thrown around, when Irish men may say crude stuff, the women can be just as bad if not worse in some instances.
Theres a big ignoring of what one side says just to make a point.
If I went around saying there is a rape culture with Irish women Id be chased out of the country.
Regarding feminists, the most famous ones dont want equal rights they want to be classed higher, they in turn ruin it for the ones who want everyone to be equal

B0jangles

silverharp wrote: »

men are pragmatic as well, you just look at it and go "nothing will change step aside, life is too short". Maybe a societal crash of some sort down the way is needed as a reset so enjoy the decline in the meantime.
Even with the feminism thing, its not like the end of a Scooby Doo episode where the guy says "I would have got away with it if it wanst for you pesky feminists" . Japan for example doesn't have a western style feminist movement but a whole section of men are giving up and seem happy enough to live on minimum ways jobs . So you have declining birth rates which in their case might work out in the end.

What you describe is not pragmatism, it's apathy.

NinjaKirby

B0jangles wrote: »

You have GOT to be joking?

Feminism gets a free pass online but the Men's Right Movement has a hard time?

Try posting anything even vaguely positive about feminism on boards and see how far you get

I meant to say in the mainstream. Sorry.

"MRA" is basically a toxic label and a lot of that is their own damn fault.

Feminists get to promote their agenda in mainstream media, and in academia, despite some seriously toxic elements within the movement. Sometimes outright hatred of men is part of that promoted agenda.

This is not fair treatment and that's why you have threads such as this.

I get what you are saying. Why don't people just get out there and fight for men's rights? The problem is that the well has already been poisoned against any men's rights movement. A large part of that is this men vs women dichotomy that seems so prevalent.

General Butt Naked

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again, I'm comfortable with the term, others may disagree. Again, I think you confuse the crime of rape with the term rape culture, as the poster above said surely it's only semantics, it's hardly the big issue.



I think the association of sex and violence is unhealthy and trivialises the crime of rape.

Take your user name. I think the use of "General Butt Naked" trivialises the depraved crimes he stands accused of.
You may disagree, that is your prerogative.

You may be comfortable with saying Ireland has a rape kulture but your uncritical acceptance of American feminism will always be challanged.

But if as you say, crude talk is evidence of rape culture, you accept women are guilty of perputating rape culture too?

One night I was smacked in the backside by drunk woman. Am I a victim of rape culture?

silverharp

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'd be equally as cynical as yourself though of both "movements". I would have addressed it in Outlaw Pete's reply to my earlier post but the thread has moved on since.

I would suggest that the modern feminist movement has become more about complaining than actually doing anything, and that the MRA movement has in turn chosen to ape this model, rather than as you rightly suggest, actually doing anything to address issues of men's welfare.

I don't see anything positive in either 'movement', which is why I don't associate myself with either movement, and I am as critical of one as the other, equally, because both movements as I suggested earlier, have disconnected themselves from the people they claim to represent.

That's why I would suggest that neither 'movement' will ever bring anything positive to the table, nor IME do they intend to. They are too focussed on 'issues' rather than people, and both 'movements' have chosen the perspective of playing the victim and blaming each other, setting themselves up in direct opposition to each other, rather than focussing on providing leadership to the people they claim to be advocating for.

they are completely different in scale though , and the latter is more a critique of the former. Surely its good to have a well of discussion on feminism/society from an uncensored male perspective, something which would be impossible in the media.

tritium

cloudatlas wrote: »

How exactly would a broadsheet newspaper apologise to a fictional group?

BTW I assumed it was true as did others should I go round apologising to all the people I discussed it with. Sorry that the thing we thought was true was not true, and that I thought it was true and I feel apologetic towards the fictional group who were effected by...

:rolleyes:

Maybe by not allowing one of their journalists to run a piece after it was debunked where they basically said " its palusible so i dont believe something like this didnt happen".......

Foxhound38

cloudatlas wrote: »

How exactly would a broadsheet newspaper apologise to a fictional group?

The male students doing agriculture at UCD are a fictional group? Someone would want to let the faculty know...

General Butt Naked

A Gentleman’s Guide to Rape Culture

If you are a man, you are part of rape culture. I know ... that sounds rough. You’re not a rapist, necessarily. But you do perpetuate the attitudes and behaviors
commonly referred to as rape culture.

You may be thinking, “Now, hold up, Zaron! You don’t know me, homey! I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let you say I’m some sorta fan of rape. That’s not me, man!”

I totally know how you feel. That was pretty much exactly my response when someone told me I was a part of rape culture. It sounds horrible. But just imagine moving through the world, always afraid you could be raped. That’s even worse! Rape culture sucks for everyone involved. But don’t get hung up on the terminology. Don’t concentrate on the words that offend you and ignore what they’re pointing to — the words “rape culture” aren’t the problem. The reality they describe is the problem.

Men are the primary agents and sustainers of rape culture.

Rape isn’t exclusively committed by men. Women aren’t the only victims — men rape men, women rape men — but what makes rape a men’s problem, our problem, is the fact that men commit 99 percent of reported rapes.

How are you part of rape culture? Well, I hate to say it, but it’s because you’re a man.

So, first of all, I have to ignore the fact that you're defining behaviour and attitudes you find objectionable as an indication of 'rape culture', and then I have to accept a definition so broad that I can be accused of perpetuating this behaviour simply by virtue of the fact that I'm a man! That's called 'guilt by association', and that's where the objection to the use of the term lies -

In order for us to have a conversation about the behaviour you're describing, I first have to accept using your terms which you can casually say are semantics, but the behaviour your terms imply is not the same as the behaviour you're describing, and then I must accept that by virtue of the fact that I am a man, I am guilty of perpetuating the behaviour you're talking about!

Conor I'm Catholic, but even that level of self-flagellation is beyond the pale.[/quote]

If you ever run into one of the collective guilt types just say 'thousands of German women were raped and assaulted by North Africans on New Years Eve. Are you saying all North Africans are collectively responsible?' These types get very uncomfortable when race is brought up.

Ironic because rape culture does exist in North Africa, taherrush etc.

tritium

NinjaKirby wrote: »

I meant to say in the mainstream. Sorry.

"MRA" is basically a toxic label and a lot of that is their own damn fault.

Feminists get to promote their agenda in mainstream media, and in academia, despite some seriously toxic elements within the movement. Sometimes outright hatred of men is part of that promoted agenda.

This is not fair treatment and that's why you have threads such as this.

Yes but
"....something, something, feminism is not a hive mind...."
(But if youre a feminist of a certain orthodoxy youre really an anti feminist - im looking at you Christina Hoff Summers)

And

"...something, something, all MRAs are the same....."
(Warren Farrell is really the demon child of Roosh! He just hides his evil well)

Tongue in cheek but closer to truth than you might think in terms of how its argued. Theres been a fairly active smear compaign to call any moderates in the men's rights side as evil extremists. Equally the anti feminist label is casually thrown about to discredit or silence people without any real evidence

The latest weapon has been the expansion of the use of the term misogyny to mean something it never ever meant before.

mzungu

Bambi985 wrote: »

Would be an interesting experiment to see how a thread titled "why are we hating all the women?" would go down in this forum though (ever ventured into one of the many feminism-related threads around here - LOL),

Check out the PUA or "Red Pill" related threads and you will see that it goes down like a lead balloon. The cheerleaders for it have their ideas debunked pretty sharply.

Bambi985 wrote: »

which is interesting considering the fact that women statistically attract far more bile and verbal abuse on the interwebs than men do.

It is more or less an even split there. For example, PEW Research Center found that "men are somewhat more likely than women to experience at least one of the elements of online harassment, 44% vs. 37%. In terms of specific experiences, men are more likely than women to encounter name-calling, embarrassment, and physical threats."

Furthermore, when it comes to dishing out online abuse things are pretty much even there: A recent study found that "Women are responsible for half of all misogynistic Tweets using the words "slut and whore", a new study has found. The study, performed by respected UK think tank Demos, monitored UK Twitter over three weeks and found that found 6,500 unique users were targeted by 10,000 misogynistic and aggressive Tweets. 50 per cent of the aggressors were women."

NinjaKirby

A Gentleman’s Guide to Rape Culture

If you are a man, you are part of rape culture. I know ... that sounds rough. You’re not a rapist, necessarily. But you do perpetuate the attitudes and behaviors
commonly referred to as rape culture.

You may be thinking, “Now, hold up, Zaron! You don’t know me, homey! I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let you say I’m some sorta fan of rape. That’s not me, man!”

I totally know how you feel. That was pretty much exactly my response when someone told me I was a part of rape culture. It sounds horrible. But just imagine moving through the world, always afraid you could be raped. That’s even worse! Rape culture sucks for everyone involved. But don’t get hung up on the terminology. Don’t concentrate on the words that offend you and ignore what they’re pointing to — the words “rape culture” aren’t the problem. The reality they describe is the problem.

Men are the primary agents and sustainers of rape culture.

Rape isn’t exclusively committed by men. Women aren’t the only victims — men rape men, women rape men — but what makes rape a men’s problem, our problem, is the fact that men commit 99 percent of reported rapes.

How are you part of rape culture? Well, I hate to say it, but it’s because you’re a man.

General Butt Naked wrote: »

So, first of all, I have to ignore the fact that you're defining behaviour and attitudes you find objectionable as an indication of 'rape culture', and then I have to accept a definition so broad that I can be accused of perpetuating this behaviour simply by virtue of the fact that I'm a man! That's called 'guilt by association', and that's where the objection to the use of the term lies -

In order for us to have a conversation about the behaviour you're describing, I first have to accept using your terms which you can casually say are semantics, but the behaviour your terms imply is not the same as the behaviour you're describing, and then I must accept that by virtue of the fact that I am a man, I am guilty of perpetuating the behaviour you're talking about!

Conor I'm Catholic, but even that level of self-flagellation is beyond the pale.
If you ever run into one of the collective guilt types just say 'thousands of German women were raped and assaulted by North Africans on New Years Eve. Are you saying all North Africans are collectively responsible?' These types get very uncomfortable when race is brought up.

Ironic because rape culture does exist in North Africa, taherrush etc.

Thankfully, I identify as demigender.

I identify as a man mostly but with regards to any aspect of anything related to rape culture I identify as a woman.

Checkmate, Feminists.