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Safety/emergency tip

  • 10-05-2017 9:22am
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I putting this up as we face into the silage season.in the event you need to call the emergency services and you dont know your location ,go to your nearest esb pole and give the pole number to the operater and they will have your exact location.use 911 as it will be picked by any available network or satelite


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Sticky this for a bit maybe? A lot of spots with poor coverage or hard to describe areas. Only heard this from a neighbour the other day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Can you use the Eircode for your house?
    We had a family emergency a while back. Needed an ambulance. When I was on the phone to the operator, it sounded like she was on Google Earth or similar when I was telling her where we were.
    We got someone to go to the main road exit too and told them the type of car to follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Eircode is grand if help is needed to a house, but pole is excellent one if out the field or in yard where most farm accidents occur.

    Thanks for posting OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭mikeoneilly


    How accurate is an eircode?

    For anyone with smartphones what's the handiest way to get co-ordinates?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    How accurate is an eircode?

    Right to the house site. Open the eircode site and find your own house on it and you'II see.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭dazed+confused


    How accurate is an eircode?

    For anyone with smartphones what's the handiest way to get co-ordinates?


    The Eircode is specific to the house, I've never come across one that has been off target.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭mikeoneilly


    What's the handiest way to get GPS coordinates on a fone if there's no pole handy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    What's the handiest way to get GPS coordinates on a fone if there's no pole handy

    Open up Google. Turn on your location and tap where you are. It should come up on the bottom of the screen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Man down alarm thingy is what you need

    Send GPS text message to a few people, should be a few different apps out there

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=and.dev.mandown.alert


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Man down alarm thingy is what you need

    Send GPS text message to a few people, should be a few different apps out there

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=and.dev.mandown.alert

    We used mam down alarms at work and threw them out.
    Hunker under a machine to adjust something and next thing you know alarm goes off and annoys themhell of everyone. Result was no one took them seriously, kinda like the boy who cried wolf.

    I'd also imagine anything that "constantly monitors" anything on your phone will war up battery life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 WoollyDot


    Guys, afaik the emergency services don't use eircode.
    I live a bit in the country – no name on road or number on house – and had to phone for an ambulance last November (2016).
    When I tried to give them the eircode they said to just give them directions, they don't use eircode.
    Crazy, I know, but that was my experience.
    I had to give them directions as they were getting to me but the ambulance was there in 20 mins and they were brilliant. All well in the end thank heavens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Autoaddress is an app used by a lot of first responders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 479 ✭✭mikeoneilly


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    Open up Google. Turn on your location and tap where you are. It should come up on the bottom of the screen

    I don't understand that

    Any chance you could explain it again?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Boaty


    WoollyDot wrote: »
    Guys, afaik the emergency services don't use eircode.
    I live a bit in the country – no name on road or number on house – and had to phone for an ambulance last November (2016).
    When I tried to give them the eircode they said to just give them directions, they don't use eircode.
    Crazy, I know, but that was my experience.
    I had to give them directions as they were getting to me but the ambulance was there in 20 mins and they were brilliant. All well in the end thank heavens.

    I was told that the ambulances use Eircodes, I'd suggest that everyone learns theirs as it could mean the difference between an ambulance getting there on time and saving a life or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    The National Ambulance Service, have Eircodes loaded into their Computer Aided Dispatch System (CAD) and went live in operation in February 2016.

    From;
    http://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/Postcodes/latest-news/Pages/National-Ambulance-Services.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭PDVerse


    WoollyDot wrote: »
    Guys, afaik the emergency services don't use eircode.
    I live a bit in the country – no name on road or number on house – and had to phone for an ambulance last November (2016).
    When I tried to give them the eircode they said to just give them directions, they don't use eircode.
    Crazy, I know, but that was my experience.
    I had to give them directions as they were getting to me but the ambulance was there in 20 mins and they were brilliant. All well in the end thank heavens.
    National Ambulance Service do use Eircode.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvwSE4IpnIA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    K.G. wrote: »
    I putting this up as we face into the silage season.in the event you need to call the emergency services and you dont know your location ,go to your nearest esb pole and give the pole number to the operater and they will have your exact location.use 911 as it will be picked by any available network or satelite

    Does "911" definitely work in Ireland? I'd always have just thought 999 or 112.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    _Brian wrote: »
    We used mam down alarms at work and threw them out.
    Hunker under a machine to adjust something and next thing you know alarm goes off and annoys themhell of everyone. .........

    Must've been sh!te ones

    Anyway the motionless timer is adjustable on this app and it has an SOS button


    http://www.mandownapp.com


    The motionless timer can be set, in hourly increments, for up to 24 hours.





    SOS Button: The ManDown App also gives users the option to proactively press the “SOS” button to send an immediate alert, unrelated to lack of mobility. This is a great tool for personal safety or medical alerts, as it immediately sends an “SOS” alert to notify others of the user’s location and convey their need for help.
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭jimmy G M


    enda1 wrote: »
    Does "911" definitely work in Ireland? I'd always have just thought 999 or 112.

    911 is the american emergency number.

    The numbers for Ireland are 999 or 112.

    112 is also used European wide, hence why it is used in Ireland as well as 999. See website below.

    https://www.112.ie/

    Another number to save into your phone is ICE (in case of emergency)

    Eg - ICE Wife Jenny, so if something happens someone can scroll down and knows who to call in an emergency. (assuming they can unlock your phone :rolleyes:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    0118 999 881 999 119 725
    …3

    .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    jimmy G M wrote: »
    911 is the american emergency number.

    The numbers for Ireland are 999 or 112.

    112 is also used European wide, hence why it is used in Ireland as well as 999. See website below.

    https://www.112.ie/

    Another number to save into your phone is ICE (in case of emergency)

    Eg - ICE Wife Jenny, so if something happens someone can scroll down and knows who to call in an emergency. (assuming they can unlock your phone :rolleyes:)


    Yeah exactly. Odd that no one seemed to blink in the thread up to now!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Sticky this for a bit maybe? A lot of spots with poor coverage or hard to describe areas. Only heard this from a neighbour the other day

    Good idea Mooooo, we'll sticky this one for a month.

    The esb emergency number is 1850 372 999

    This year in the heat the wires are going to sag a bit lower and it's easy snag one with the spout of a harvester.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,360 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    jimmy G M wrote: »
    911 is the american emergency number.

    The numbers for Ireland are 999 or 112.

    112 is also used European wide, hence why it is used in Ireland as well as 999. See website below.

    https://www.112.ie/

    Another number to save into your phone is ICE (in case of emergency)

    Eg - ICE Wife Jenny, so if something happens someone can scroll down and knows who to call in an emergency. (assuming they can unlock your phone :rolleyes:)
    My apoligies you are correct


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    On iphones ya can access ice numbers from the unlock screen once they've been set using the health app


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭tphase


    enda1 wrote: »
    Does "911" definitely work in Ireland? I'd always have just thought 999 or 112.
    911 does work in Ireland but as others have pointed out, it's the emergency number in the US.
    112 is the best number to use, it works with any network provider. 999 only works with your own provider


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    West cork rapid response if ye see it fundraising anywhere do support as they can get to some places faster than ambulances. They have a kitted out four wheel drive that costs a bit to keep manned and on the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Mooooo wrote: »
    West cork rapid response if ye see it fundraising anywhere do support as they can get to some places faster than ambulances. They have a kitted out four wheel drive that costs a bit to keep manned and on the road.

    It's some job that wagon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭locky76


    Folks, given that we work in the most dangerous industry in Ireland should there be a re-evaluation of how we view Heath & safety?
    I have to add that I work in applying health & safety although I have done plenty of things down through the years which I'm or articulately proud of and have broken bones, suffered injuries and generally had a laidsez faire attitude to safety.
    However the general principle of health & safety is that if proporrly implemented it will cut deaths in half within a short period of time- there will be 60 people saved over a 5 year period.
    I think it would be a great service for independent safety experts from an Agri background to come in annually and carry out a complete audit of a farmer's safety system and make 5 implementable recommendations for the farmer. I think this would be a reasonable amount of improvements.
    The biggest thing with health & safety is that it's very profitable for the farmer to implement as it dramatically reduces the chances of them getting injured therefore they can keep working away.
    I'd be interested in your thoughts.

    Mod note H&S thread moved in here as we have a sticky on H&S for the Month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    An analysis of past deaths and injuries should inform any action or training.

    This is very unscientific of me but I give a couple things here.
    A good many of those killed in the last while have been elderly, often by stock.
    Farmers are working harder and longer hours, a good bit of it to do with regulations, to make a living. This makes them more vulnerable to error and accident.
    Almost all farmers nowadays work alone.

    The objective is to minimise the number of deaths and injuries. There is a danger of putting systems, more paperwork in place as a bureaucratic solution, that actually will not achieve the desired result.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Totally agree that the dept should hire an Independent safety company to audit all farms on safety.

    First 5 yrs should be allocated to getting farmers and workers up to date with the current laws and regs.

    After that a penalty for anyone that hasn't made a reasonable effort to improve.
    Deaths and serious injury needs to be reduced massively.


    It is a culture that needs replacing which will take time and money.

    I do an audit here every year with the young lads. We first talk about any incidents that happened that remains in the memory. We move on to walking around to see what looks like an accident waiting to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭alps


    You can have all the safety audits you want, it's about mindset, not necessarily facilities....

    The audit will not stop people walking under loaders, walking between the tractor and the wall, stomach tubing the calf in front of the cow, using the grinding disc without the goggles...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭dzer2


    alps wrote: »
    You can have all the safety audits you want, it's about mindset, not necessarily facilities....

    The audit will not stop people walking under loaders, walking between the tractor and the wall, stomach tubing the calf in front of the cow, using the grinding disc without the goggles...

    This is the culture I am talking about the change needs to be implemented with common place mentality. Its common sense really and a need to allocate the time properly. Loads of aged farmers around here slobbering until 10 at night but rarely ever doing anything before 8 in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    dzer2 wrote: »
    This is the culture I am talking about the change needs to be implemented with common place mentality. Its common sense really and a need to allocate the time properly. Loads of aged farmers around here slobbering until 10 at night but rarely ever doing anything before 8 in the morning.
    So if they start before 8am they will less likely have an accident?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well, that's a 14 hour day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,330 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Water John wrote: »
    Well, that's a 14 hour day.

    That has a lot to do with safety records on farms. Long days, farmers always on duty it's easy to get complacent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    dzer2 wrote: »
    Totally agree that the dept should hire an Independent safety company to audit all farms on safety.

    First 5 yrs should be allocated to getting farmers and workers up to date with the current laws and regs.

    After that a penalty for anyone that hasn't made a reasonable effort to improve.
    Deaths and serious injury needs to be reduced massively.


    It is a culture that needs replacing which will take time and money.

    I do an audit here every year with the young lads. We first talk about any incidents that happened that remains in the memory. We move on to walking around to see what looks like an accident waiting to happen.

    HSA is quite suitable. Why replicate their duties? No need for another money wasting organisation. Bord Bia are doing safety audits as it stands. Get the HSA out onto farms and let them wield a little power instead of the usual case where they carry out investigations after accidents.
    Oh yeah all the signs in the world plastered up around farm yards won't prevent people from having accidents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    From some comments on here I think a lot of older farmers would be quite content to die on their farm, so how can we prevent those deaths?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Every farmer has a responsibility to look after their own safety and the safety of their workers, but a genuine interest and commitment from the DAFM would be nice too. The farm safety scheme was a case in point. A minimum spend of over €2000 in order to apply. This ruled out a large number of small part time farmers straight away. I went ahead and carried out a number of safety measures on my own bat, but how many didn't?

    Health and safety checks would need to be viewed in a positive light. And any faults found should not be penalised without a sufficient time frame offered to farmer to rectify the situation.

    As someone else has also pointed out, it's as much about safe systems of work as faulty equipment. These are things that would not be picked up by an audit.

    Near misses are never recorded. Mores the pity. We only ever hear about the deaths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    locky76 wrote:
    The biggest thing with health & safety is that it's very profitable for the farmer to implement as it dramatically reduces the chances of them getting injured therefore they can keep working away. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

    I'd have to disagree with you there, at least in terms of the way profits are understood on most irish farms.

    The culture encouraged on farms is to measure profits and costs in cash terms and mitigated future risks ... whilst economically valid.. are hardly a cash profit especially when we all assume that we can control the outcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    ganmo wrote: »
    From some comments on here I think a lot of older farmers would be quite content to die on their farm, so how can we prevent those deaths?

    Why do you single out older farmers?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    emaherx wrote: »
    That has a lot to do with safety records on farms. Long days, farmers always on duty it's easy to get complacent.

    And then a wagon load of paper work on top of long days to add even more pressure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Why do you single out older farmers?
    look at the age profile of this years deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There seems to be the inevitable tendency, by some, to apply the apparent solution, that won't work.
    A bit of new thinking needed here.
    The solutions, used in an employer + employees situation, won't work here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    alps wrote: »
    You can have all the safety audits you want, it's about mindset, not necessarily facilities....

    The audit will not stop people walking under loaders, walking between the tractor and the wall, stomach tubing the calf in front of the cow, using the grinding disc without the goggles...

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,330 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Why do you single out older farmers?

    Most at risk of accidents are the youngest and the oldest. We can educate our youngest farmers to be safe. The older ones tend to be less open to change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭einn32


    emaherx wrote: »
    Most at risk of accidents are the youngest and the oldest. We can educate our youngest farmers to be safe. The older ones tend to be less open to change.

    Doing a safety audit is a good idea. Set it on a repetitive basis maybe. Take an hour to walk the farm with an audit list. Think of it as important as checking stock etc. The HSA have printable ones. Might save injury/life. Influence younger generation.

    The older generation are a tough one. How do you teach an auld lad farming all his life that he's doing unsafe practices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The problem with older people often, is that waht they have always got away with, they can't any longer as they are slowing down in reaction time. Esp with stock.
    See the BIL with the bull. You could caution, all you like, just end up closing your eyes and hoping.

    Some also don't see the diff between bravery/cowardice and stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Good to see the topic getting aired again.

    One thing to remember is the ratio of injuries too. Fatalities are awful, but in general terms it's widely accepted that for every fatality there are ~10 "permanent life altering injuries, that would be lost limb, lost eye sight, paralysis etc, there would be ~100 "lost day cases" where through a minor injury the person was unable to work for one or more days.

    A simple walk round mightn't see anything that would cause a fatality, but who knows, you might save some fellas eye or even prevent a broken finger. It all adds up to a better working environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭lakill Farm


    I bought an A frame on Saturday along with a weight box for the back of the tractor. Reduce chance of crush injuries when putting on implements on A frame and weight box to reduce chance or flipping the tractor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭onrail


    From experiences in the construction industry it's fear of financial penalties that drive change in 95% of cases. Very few construction workers honestly believe that wearing a hardhat, attending the SafePass etc actually reduces risk of injury or death.

    Nevertheless, such a fear has lead to a significant reduction in injuries/fatalities in the sector.

    Likewise, a change in farming will (unfortunately) need to be driven by fear of repercussions.

    Carry out unannounced DAFM/HSA spot-inspections, provide a reasonable timeframe for correction, enlist the assistance of Teagasc/Ag. advisors if necessary. Enforce penalties for non-compliance.

    A cynical approach - but something needs to be done


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