The Guardian's 'we hate white people' agenda backfires spectacularly today...

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Comedian and TV presenter Dara Ó Briain has taken issue with The Guardian's review of his new show.
Dara and Ed's Road to Mandalay sees Ó Briain and fellow Irish comedian Ed Byrne travel to south east Asia to sample some of the delights it has to offer.
The first episode kicked off on BBC Two on Sunday night and The Guardian's review landed on Monday morning - and it was not positive.

"It reads, "Some things, unfortunately, don't change. Neither does the increasingly dull formula of sending white British men to far-flung places in search of "strange and quirky" aspects of other cultures.

Oh deary dear. It wasn't meant to turn out like this. The Guardian were all set to score some easy virtue signalling points today with some early morning hit and run tactics against the only acceptable racist target, middle class British White people. Only things didn't turn out so easy.

It was an open goal, and somehow the Guardian have managed to screw it up spectacularly by labelling Irish comedian Dara Ó Briain a 'white British' man, and accidentally revealed their inner Colonialist attitudes:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/the-guardian-calls-dara-briain-a-white-british-man-and-hes-not-impressed-35691697.html

Funny how they were happy to lecture about Malaysia when they can't even get their Irish history right.
I look forward to the grovelling apology.

HigginsJ

How long has Dara worked and lived in the UK?

nelly17

They can have em (both)

AtomicHorror

The mislabeling of Irish people as British is annoying, but I don't know if I'd call it a spectacular anything.

Seems more like a nice chance to take an easy shot at that lefty liberal cultural marxist thingy.

osarusan

Firstly, he and Byrne are Irish, not British, so they f**ked up.

Secondly, I don't see why a white woman would have been any less bad than a white man.

Thirdly, that apart, I agree to a certain extent. I've commented before that I hate seeing programmes like this in which the presenter is somebody with no knowledge of or connection to the subject of the show. Why not somebody from that place? Or with knowledge of that place?

Why a comedian, or an actress, or some other kind of celebrity? The answer, it seems to me, is that it's more about 'watch this famous person' than 'learn about this subject' and I think that's quite sad.

My name is URL

You seem desperate to find something to be offended by OP

red ears

The contempt for white people these days in some media outlets is worrisome, its racism no matter what their intentions. Its perplexing in times of such political correctness where saying the wrong thing can get you in big trouble that disparaging white people has almost become fashionable.

ScumLord

The newspapers seem to be getting caught out at this stuff all the time, they've been doing it to youtube channels for a while now. They know exactly what they're at, they know full well they're making something out of nothing for clickbait type stories.

They seem to see any other form of media as a threat to themselves so are using their position to degrade everyone who's not print media.

tigger123

osarusan wrote: »

Firstly, he and Byrne are Irish, not British, so they f**ked up.

Secondly, I don't see why a white woman would have been any less bad than a white man.

Thirdly, that apart, I agree to a certain extent. I've commented before that I hate seeing programmes like this in which the presenter is somebody with no knowledge of or connection to the subject of the show. Why not somebody from that place? Or with knowledge of that place?

Why a comedian, or an actress, or some other kind of celebrity? The answer, it seems to me, is that it's more about 'watch this famous person' than 'learn about this subject' and I think that's quite sad.

Because the presenter has to be someone the audience can relate to, otherwise the format wouldn't work.

robindch

My name is URL wrote: »

You seem desperate to find something to be offended by OP

A lot of the alt-right spend an inordinate amount of time reading what they refer to as the "mainstream media" in order to find things which they can affect offence at in order to virtue-signal to their own virtual friends.

Such people would be better off finding some real friends :rolleyes:

NinjaKirby

osarusan wrote: »

Firstly, he and Byrne are Irish, not British, so they f**ked up.

Secondly, I don't see why a white woman would have been any less bad than a white man.

Thirdly, that apart, I agree to a certain extent. I've commented before that I hate seeing programmes like this in which the presenter is somebody with no knowledge of or connection to the subject of the show. Why not somebody from that place? Or with knowledge of that place?

Why a comedian, or an actress, or some other kind of celebrity? The answer, it seems to me, is that it's more about 'watch this famous person' than 'learn about this subject' and I think that's quite sad.

If this is a BBC show then I would have thought the reasoning behind having an Irish or British celebrity go there and document their experience would be to appeal to other potential tourists from the UK and Ireland.

So if we have an ad on TV and it's some guy from Greece saying "come to Greece, our country is great" then I feel like a much more effective advert for vacationing in Greece is my neighbor or friend telling me about their awesome vacation to Greece.

Surely the point of this show it to showcase Malaysia from the perspective of a tourist?

Glenster

"Its the differences of which there are none that makes the sameness exceptional."

-Trying to deal with Irish people who've lived in London for 10+ years

wes

robindch wrote: »

A lot of the alt-right spend an inordinate amount of time reading what they refer to as the "mainstream media" in order to find things which they can affect offence at in order to virtue-signal to their own virtual friends.

There either doing that or threatening to murder girl scouts:

Girl Scout threatened after confronting neo-Nazi protesters in striking photo

RGDATA!

red ears wrote: »

The contempt for white people these days in some media outlets is worrisome, its racism no matter what their intentions. Its perplexing in times of such political correctness where saying the wrong thing can get you in big trouble that disparaging white people has almost become fashionable.

Examples? Single example even?

ScumLord

robindch wrote: »

A lot of the alt-right spend an inordinate amount of time reading what they refer to as the "mainstream media" in order to find things which they can affect offence at in order to virtue-signal to their own virtual friends.

I'm not alt-right, and I don't read newspapers, but there's some youtubers I like to watch and I've been shocked by the hatchet job that they've done to people taking their videos completely out of context and they know full well they're falsifying the story. The slingshot channel being a recent one where the daily mail did what can only be described as a hatchet job on the poor guy trying to take his livelihood away from him over nothing, just because it would get people worked up after the terrorist attack that happened outside the houses of parliament in London.

I don't think they're expressly against white people, they'll stitch up anyone if they think it'll sell papers.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Britain's biggest social issue, the one that truly divides the people living there is its centuries old class system. A wealthy British man or woman in Britain is massively better off than a poor British man or woman.

Having a pop at Dara and Ed for simply being men is stupid nonsense, coming from a newspaper (which I like ) whose primary readership comes from people in places of privilege relatively speaking (middle class and up).

DEFTLEFTHAND

wes wrote: »

There either doing that or threatening to murder girl scouts:

Girl Scout threatened after confronting neo-Nazi protesters in striking photo

Czech Neo Nazis are alt right?

AtomicHorror

Speaking as a white guy, I don't feel at all hated when the "MSM" expresses the view that people who share my gender and skin colour are over-represented pretty much everywhere in the media. I feel like that's obviously true.

Why does OP feel hated? Does OP consider himself to be just like the targets of this criticism? Is that not buying into the race thing bigtime?

ohnonotgmail

red ears wrote: »

The contempt for white people these days in some media outlets is worrisome, its racism no matter what their intentions. Its perplexing in times of such political correctness where saying the wrong thing can get you in big trouble that disparaging white people has almost become fashionable.

apart from describing them as British what is disparaging about the guardian article?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Czech Neo Nazis are alt right?

I doubt any Czech Neo Nazis has even heard of the term alt right.

Richard Hillman

The paper will be bust soon. We can then rejoice.

donegal.

am i missing something, wheres the spectacular backfire?

Sham Squire

osarusan wrote: »

I don't see why a white woman would have been any less bad than a white man.

Go home, you're drunk.

NinjaKirby

red ears wrote: »

The contempt for white people these days in some media outlets is worrisome, its racism no matter what their intentions. Its perplexing in times of such political correctness where saying the wrong thing can get you in big trouble that disparaging white people has almost become fashionable.

I think it's just a way to make money through click bait stuff.

As a white person, I don't really feel disparaged and if someone was giving out to me because I went to Vietnam and said I thought the food was gross I'd probably just laugh at them and, depending on how far they take it, never talk to them again.

There are certain parts of the internet that get really riled up by all this "anti-white" stuff and I think people just get a kick out of winding them up. It's click bait.

I don't really agree that saying the wrong thing can get you into trouble. Just don't talk about race and/or gender if you are talking in public or in a large group. Most of the things people get pulled up for they honestly should have more sense in the current climate.

It seems like "the left" are doing a fantastic job of shutting down any kind of debate or dissenting opinion but there was Trump and Brexit so...?

It's white people who are mostly consuming this content (The Guardian is UK based, right) so I think it's more that White Guilt (TM) has become fashionable among certain people.

There are a ton of white people willing to hear the latest sermon about how we have the modern equivalent of original sin. The internet ruined religion for a lot of people in western countries so it makes sense that the replacement "religion" would be a bit more subtle and/or effective. Confess your privilege or something, I dunno.

Like I said, the USA has Trump and the UK has Brexit so it definitely doesn't seem like political correctness is winning at all.

Sham Squire

red ears wrote: »

The contempt for white people these days in some media outlets is worrisome, its racism no matter what their intentions.

You can't be racist to white people. There's whole libraries full of books on this subject. Read some.

NinjaKirby

robindch wrote: »

A lot of the alt-right spend an inordinate amount of time reading what they refer to as the "mainstream media" in order to find things which they can affect offence at in order to virtue-signal to their own virtual friends.

Such people would be better off finding some real friends :rolleyes:

I think you've almost become self aware there, robindch. :rolleyes:

Glenster

Sham Squire wrote: »

You can't be racist to white people. There's whole libraries full of books on this subject. Read some.

Watch me be racist to Poles. I'll do it all day.

Sham Squire

Glenster wrote: »

Watch me be racist to Poles. I'll do it all day.

That's Xenophobia, not racism. Polish people are (in the majority) racially white.

NinjaKirby

Sham Squire wrote: »

You can't be racist to white people. There's whole libraries full of books on this subject. Read some.

How much difference is there between Racism and Racial Prejudice though?

It seems like both are pretty bad.

I'm not sure that "I'm not Racist, I just have racial prejudice towards some people" is a convincing defense in any circumstances.

PopePalpatine

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Czech Neo Nazis are alt right?

If they can figure out how to use the Internet, then yes.

Glenster

Sham Squire wrote: »

That's Xenophobia, not racism. Polish people are (in the majority) racially white.

The idea of race is 100% cultural.

Sham Squire

Glenster wrote: »

The idea of race is 100% cultural.

So what? That doesn't help those being racially discriminated against.

Glenster

Sham Squire wrote: »

So what? That doesn't help those being racially discriminated against.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!

YOU CAN BE RACIST AGAINST ANYONE YOU IDENTIFY AS DIFFERENT CULTURALLY!

Sham Squire

Glenster wrote: »

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!

YOU CAN BE RACIST AGAINST ANYONE YOU IDENTIFY AS DIFFERENT CULTURALLY!

NO, THAT'S CALLED XENOPHOBIA NO MATTER IF YOU USE CAPITALS OR NOT.

Wibbs

Glenster wrote: »

The idea of race is 100% cultural.

That's a nonsense. The idea of ethnicity is far more cultural. However while the idea of "race" itself has issues, it can hardly be denied that there exists a diverse range of populations within modern humans and that range has physical characteristics that can be roughly drawn into what most think of as "races". There's nothing "cultural" about melanin levels as an example. That's in the phenotypes, similar can be seen within such groups on the genetic level. Genetically those populations also show commonalities within the populations. Obviously there are overlaps between populations and it can get quite fuzzy and has become fuzzier in various locations like the New World, where as people will, different populations got jiggy with each other. If we were any other species we would describe humans as one species alright, but with a few sub divisions within them.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

My name is URL wrote: »

You seem desperate to find something to be offended by OP

Nope, I'm not even remotely offended. I just love to see a bully's plan backfire in their face. And that's exactly what this journalist was trying to do, bully someone by labelling them in a patronising manner.

robindch wrote: »

A lot of the alt-right spend an inordinate amount of time reading what they refer to as the "mainstream media" in order to find things which they can affect offence at in order to virtue-signal to their own virtual friends.

Such people would be better off finding some real friends :rolleyes:

So I'm now 'alt-right' for calling out a crap journalist, who very clearly fcuked up and used colonial language? I'm just saying they ought to practise what they preach. They're the ones insisting in this hyper-fanatical culture of political correctness, so now they can fall on their own sword.

wes wrote: »

There either doing that or threatening to murder girl scouts:

Girl Scout threatened after confronting neo-Nazi protesters in striking photo

Why am I being associated with the knuckledraggers who threatened a girl scout? (And they are knuckledraggers, just to be clear.)
It's idiotic posts like this, where anyone who dares to dissent against the narrative is immediately labelled 'far-right', that has driven a huge amount of people to vote for Trump, Le Pen, Geert Wilders etc. Hasn't that worked out well for you.

Nice job.

neverever1

It's not really offensive but who wants to be labelled as British? Especially with their morals and history.

Of course many around here would be spineless about this even. 'Oh sorry we're not British, you can call us what you like'. 'Sorry for gaining part independence, you didn't kill enough of us really'. Pathetic creatures.

riffmongous

Guardian is pretty good for sport imo, they often have interesting and well written football articles

neverever1

riffmongous wrote: »

Guardian is pretty good for sport imo, they often have interesting and well written football articles

I've never read the guardian. Who do they have writing their football articles? I like Dara O'Se's stuff and even Brolly sometimes.

riffmongous

neverever1 wrote: »

I've never read the guardian. Who do they have writing their football articles? I like Dara O'Se's stuff and even Brolly sometimes.

Whoops, that should be 'soccer' articles

B_Wayne

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Nope, I'm not even remotely offended. I just love to see a bully's plan backfire in their face. And that's exactly what this journalist was trying to do, bully someone by labelling them in a patronising manner.




So I'm now 'alt-right' for calling out a crap journalist, who very clearly fcuked up and used colonial language? I'm just saying they ought to practise what they preach. They're the ones insisting in this hyper-fanatical culture of political correctness, so now they can fall on their own sword.



Why am I being associated with the knuckledraggers who threatened a girl scout? (And they are knuckledraggers, just to be clear.)
It's idiotic posts like this, where anyone who dares to dissent against the narrative is immediately labelled 'far-right', that has driven a huge amount of people to vote for Trump, Le Pen, Geert Wilders etc. Hasn't that worked out well for you.

Nice job.

Okay, so you cite people voting for fascists or wannabe fascists after just denying being alt right. Would you agree Wilders and LaPen are racist fascists? Would you agree that Trump engages in plenty of appeals to racism?

neverever1

riffmongous wrote: »

Whoops, that should be 'soccer' articles

fxotoole

So The Guardian called Dara and Ed British. Big Whoop.

They've worked there and based themselves there for many years, to the extent that The Guardian, at least, now consider them British, rather than Irish.

Talk about a storm in a f**king teacup, OP

Ol' Donie

fxotoole wrote: »

So The Guardian called Dara and Ed British. Big Whoop.

They've worked there and based themselves there for many years, to the extent that The Guardian, at least, now consider them British, rather than Irish.

Talk about a storm in a f**king teacup, OP

It's not even that bad, the point they were making was simply that the format is tired.

The hatred for white people sends shivers down your spine.

Harry Palmr

One of the more threads on After Hours recently!

I see the article has been amended (unacknowledged)

Neither does the increasingly dull and unedifying formula of sending white men to far-flung places in search of “strange and quirky” aspects of other cultures. The latest are Irish comedians Dara O'Briain and Ed Byrne

Glenster

Wibbs wrote: »

That's a nonsense. The idea of ethnicity is far more cultural. However while the idea of "race" itself has issues, it can hardly be denied that there exists a diverse range of populations within modern humans and that range has physical characteristics that can be roughly drawn into what most think of as "races". There's nothing "cultural" about melanin levels as an example. That's in the phenotypes, similar can be seen within such groups on the genetic level. Genetically those populations also show commonalities within the populations. Obviously there are overlaps between populations and it can get quite fuzzy and has become fuzzier in various locations like the New World, where as people will, different populations got jiggy with each other. If we were any other species we would describe humans as one species alright, but with a few sub divisions within them.

"Race is a social concept. It's not a scientific one. There are no bright lines (that would stand out), if we could compare all the sequenced genomes of everyone on the planet." "When we try to apply science to try to sort out these social differences, it all falls apart."

-Craig Venter of the National Institute of Health (Dude who mapped the human genome)

Read any social science, anthropological, serious historical, or academic cultural book written in the last 30 years. You wont find reference to genetic race in it, the academic consensus now is that a race is a self identified group in the same way that ethnicity is (albeit with a stronger focus on culture than ancestry).

Race is a means of separating 'us' from 'them'.

steddyeddy

HigginsJ wrote: »

How long has Dara worked and lived in the UK?

Tell that to the Ulster Scots that lived in Ireland for centuries.

Annasopra

My name is URL wrote: »

You seem desperate to find something to be offended by OP

Poor snowflake

Annasopra

donegal. wrote: »

am i missing something, wheres the spectacular backfire?

No. You're really missing nothing.

Peregrine

Posts by re-reg and quotes deleted.

Sham Squire

Why have those posts and their quoted posts been deleted? Is the user banned?