Aviation Maintenance salaries

lufties

Hi all, not sure if this is under the right topic for discussions but I'll go ahead anyway.
Having recently returned to Ireland as a Licensed Engineer, Im shocked by how low the salaries are, it seems the recession has hit hard and various companies have exploited people as a result.
In Shannon I've heard of an MRO offering less than 30k for B1 engineers. I'm not sure about Dublin but I know EI certainly doesn't pay well. There literally seems to be nothing decent out there, unless you get into leasing and devote your life to hotel visits.
Sad state of affairs, being a tradesman would be far more rewarding it seems.

Bussywussy

lufties wrote: »

Hi all, not sure if this is under the right topic for discussions but I'll go ahead anyway.
Having recently returned to Ireland as a Licensed Engineer, Im shocked by how low the salaries are, it seems the recession has hit hard and various companies have exploited people as a result.
In Shannon I've heard of an MRO offering less than 30k for B1 engineers. I'm not sure about Dublin but I know EI certainly doesn't pay well. There literally seems to be nothing decent out there, unless you get into leasing and devote your life to hotel visits.
Sad state of affairs, being a tradesman would be far more rewarding it seems.

MRO in dub similar to Shannon,that place seemed to be the catalyst for it....prying on ppl jobless after SRT shut...Boeing and Delta pay well, other than that not sure about ryanair,etihad or stobart or the crowd who took over aviacare.direct I think they're called.
EI post 2010 joiners isn't great,loads have left and heard they're seriously depleted,especially with new aircraft and I saw a facebook video boasting of 200 new cabin crew and other departments expanding yet no new engineers,sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Contracting or uprooting to go abroad is the only game it seems.

lufties

Bussywussy wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

Hi all, not sure if this is under the right topic for discussions but I'll go ahead anyway.
Having recently returned to Ireland as a Licensed Engineer, Im shocked by how low the salaries are, it seems the recession has hit hard and various companies have exploited people as a result.
In Shannon I've heard of an MRO offering less than 30k for B1 engineers. I'm not sure about Dublin but I know EI certainly doesn't pay well. There literally seems to be nothing decent out there, unless you get into leasing and devote your life to hotel visits.
Sad state of affairs, being a tradesman would be far more rewarding it seems.

MRO in dub similar to Shannon,that place seemed to be the catalyst for it....prying on ppl jobless after SRT shut...Boeing and Delta pay well, other than that not sure about ryanair,etihad or stobart or the crowd who took over aviacare.direct I think they're called.
EI post 2010 joiners isn't great,loads have left and heard they're seriously depleted,especially with new aircraft and I saw a facebook video boasting of 200 new cabin crew and other departments expanding yet no new engineers,sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Contracting or uprooting to go abroad is the only game it seems.

Yep, you are 100% correct in that summation. Either feck off abroad or leave the industry. I don't know what it is about engineering, Is it that we don't value ourselves? Ops get treated like royalty in comparison. I personally think that when engineers get into middle management, they are happy to screw those underneath as they go to management with their own low ball standards.

jucylucy

Etihad pay well I hear,late 60K...plus perks. Cityjet are a little lower and ASL also mid 60k...there is more companies than EI and hangars.
Ryanair also pay well for engineers.
Stobart are mid table also.
Direct are using contractors so the rate is usuall late €30s an hour.
BCT is another maintenance company in Dublin.
A lot depends on your experience and type ratings.
EI have a lot of young guys who went through their training and just stay there for that money.
Ask around and you will get a better picture I think.

lufties

jucylucy wrote: »

Etihad pay well I hear,late 60K...plus perks. Cityjet are a little lower and ASL also mid 60k...there is more companies than EI and hangars.
Ryanair also pay well for engineers.
Stobart are mid table also.
Direct are using contractors so the rate is usuall late €30s an hour.
BCT is another maintenance company in Dublin.
A lot depends on your experience and type ratings.
EI have a lot of young guys who went through their training and just stay there for that money.
Ask around and you will get a better picture I think.

Etihad is probably the best of the lot in that case..Ryanair shift pattern is awful, BCT are a bit cowboyish. Good post though, puts a positive spin on it.

Bussywussy

I also don't agree with companies paying licensed certifying engineers less than non certifying mechs/staff that couldn't be bothered their hole,I don't care how long they're in a company before them.

lufties

Bussywussy wrote: »

I also don't agree with companies paying licensed certifying engineers less than non certifying mechs/staff that couldn't be bothered their hole,I don't care how long they're in a company before them.

Are you referring to EI? A mate of mine said he was offered 27k for a B1 job with LHT in SNN, not far off a graduate salary.  LHT seem to be the epitomy of globalist exploitation, they strategically go to countries that have few resources and pay less than the going rates while maximising their labour output. Kind of like new age slavery. We only have ourselves to blame by taking the outrageous conditions.

Bussywussy

lufties wrote: »

Are you referring to EI? A mate of mine said he was offered 27k for a B1 job with LHT in SNN, not far off a graduate salary.  LHT seem to be the epitomy of globalist exploitation, they strategically go to countries that have few resources and pay less than the going rates while maximising their labour output. Kind of like new age slavery. We only have ourselves to blame by taking the outrageous conditions.

Both actually....look at the places where LHT opened ie puerto rico,also they recruit loads of Bangladeshi lads for SNN through some farce of a course they pay thousands for

lufties

Bussywussy wrote: »

Both actually....look at the places where LHT opened ie puerto rico,also they recruit loads of Bangladeshi lads for SNN through some farce of a course they pay thousands for

They wouldn't get away with that carry on in Germany, and they know it!

Bussywussy

lufties wrote: »

They wouldn't get away with that carry on in Germany, and they know it!

Absolutely..anytime there was a dispute in SNN big bad German LHT would put the staff on protective notice to bully them.

lufties

Bussywussy wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

They wouldn't get away with that carry on in Germany, and they know it!

Absolutely..anytime there was a dispute in SNN big bad German LHT would put the staff on protective notice to bully them.

So much so that when it was SAL, they bullied the workers into voting out a good pension..Then lht moved in and the name changed to lht snn.
I've worked for them in Germany and its the handiest number you could imagine.

Bussywussy

lufties wrote: »

So much so that when it was SAL, they bullied the workers into voting out a good pension..Then lht moved in and the name changed to lht snn.
I've worked for them in Germany and its the handiest number you could imagine.

They gave some different coloured badge that finally gave them priority over sub contracted cleaners for standby flights instead😂 I worked for them as well in sofia your right...

donkey balls

While I don't work in the aviation industry anymore on a full time basis I still have indirect dealings with the industry and have friends working for various airlines etc , The exploitation of people working in the MX end of things is not industry specific and this race to the bottom has happened in the transport and logistics sector.
Take truck drivers as an example before the crash they earned a decent wage then companies like Stobart along with others including some Irish companies , Started to slash the wages down to the min wage along with the cutting of OT/ shift allowance etc.
What ended up happening was experienced drivers left the industry over the last few years some moving into other aspects of the industry, Or like a friend of mine who is a paramedic now.
The transport and logistics companies cannot get good experienced drivers now and they wonder why maybe something similar needs to happen in the engineering/ maintenance industry.

Bussywussy

donkey balls wrote: »

While I don't work in the aviation industry anymore on a full time basis I still have indirect dealings with the industry and have friends working for various airlines etc , The exploitation of people working in the MX end of things is not industry specific and this race to the bottom has happened in the transport and logistics sector.
Take truck drivers as an example before the crash they earned a decent wage then companies like Stobart along with others including some Irish companies , Started to slash the wages down to the min wage along with the cutting of OT/ shift allowance etc.
What ended up happening was experienced drivers left the industry over the last few years some moving into other aspects of the industry, Or like a friend of mine who is a paramedic now.
The transport and logistics companies cannot get good experienced drivers now and they wonder why maybe something similar needs to happen in the engineering/ maintenance industry.

Correct It will happen...was told that EI won't be able to recruit/attract licensed engineers unless they up the pay significantly and of an MRO that couldn't recruit contractors on poor rates to do heavy maintenance checks.

Bazzy

I've a friend in the industry who has suffered the same

I have seen it happen in another industry

The company get rid of the employees sub the work out and screw the sub contractor on the rates

A race to the bottom is a polite description of it no winners whatsoever apart from the big corporate and they have the unions paid off so the man on the shop floor gets rode plain and simple

lufties

Bazzy wrote: »

I've a friend in the industry who has suffered the same

I have seen it happen in another industry

The company get rid of the employees sub the work out and screw the sub contractor on the rates

A race to the bottom is a polite description of it no winners whatsoever apart from the big corporate and they have the unions paid off so the man on the shop floor gets rode plain and simple

I think Ireland is a tough place to work also as the industry is small and highly competitive, piss the wrong person off and you could kiss your career in Ireland goodbye. I've been away since 2009 and its the best thing I've ever done. That's not me being bitter for any reason, its just being objective.

donkey balls

Yep while the industry might seem big to someone looking in from the outside, Just like the one I work in everyone knows someone.

kona

The us equivalent of a unrestricted b1 in the easa system can expect to earn in the region of 100k us.

The irish equivalent can expect to start on low to mid 30s and stay in this region for most their career.

But sure when people will pay the taxi driver more than their airfare what do you expect?

lufties

kona wrote: »

The us equivalent of a unrestricted b1 in the easa system can expect to earn in the region of 100k us.

The irish equivalent can expect to start on low to mid 30s and stay in this region for most their career.

But sure when people will pay the taxi driver more than their airfare what do you expect?

Its actually the low cost airlines like ryr and ezy pay the most. OK be prepared to work like a dog and be treated like ****. Legacy carriers tend let their arrogance get in the way. 10 years from now the likes of EI will be scratching around for engineers.

aviator7

lufties wrote: »

Its actually the low cost airlines like ryr and ezy pay the most. OK be prepared to work like a dog and be treated like ****. Legacy carriers tend let their arrogance get in the way. 10 years from now the likes of EI will be scratching around for engineers.

It will be a lot sooner than that with aer lingus
I would imagine. Seems like every week someone is handing in their notice at this stage - with plenty more planning on jumping ship this summer.

Sad to see, but if the pay isn't there anymore, that's the way it's going to be I suppose.

If pay and conditions don't improve very soon it's hard to see how they are going to manage maintenance in Dublin.

kona

lufties wrote: »

Its actually the low cost airlines like ryr and ezy pay the most. OK be prepared to work like a dog and be treated like ****. Legacy carriers tend let their arrogance get in the way. 10 years from now the likes of EI will be scratching around for engineers.

EI wont be scratching around for engineers, there will always be somebody who wants to come home and tip away for a few years after earning the bulk of their wages abroad.
Aer lingus are taking on apprentice this year too so theres a few places in the future covered.

What do people think is a fair wage for a fully approved engineer?

Stovepipe

13 experienced engineers and engineering planning staff have left EI in recent times, most going to leasing companies and ALL have doubled their salaries/wages and ALL have improved their terms and conditions. EI are now in the dubious position of being one of the bottom payers in Dublin Airport, alongside Dublin Aerospace. Conditions for aptces have also gone down the pan and anyone who asks me about joining EI as a mech, I tell them to apply for the cadets instead or go to college. A cadet fresh from Jerez in EI has better Ts and Cs from day one than any mech, no matter how much service he has got. A new pilot in EI enjoys strong Union protection, a decent pay scale, a decent pension and infinitely better career path. The only use there is now for an apprenticeship as an aircraft mech is as a stepping stone to something better. It really galls me to say that, but I could not, in conscience, encourage any school leaver to take it up.

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

13 experienced engineers and engineering planning staff have left EI in recent times, most going to leasing companies and ALL have doubled their salaries/wages and ALL have improved their terms and conditions. EI are now in the dubious position of being one of the bottom payers in Dublin Airport, alongside Dublin Aerospace. Conditions for aptces have also gone down the pan and anyone who asks me about joining EI as a mech, I tell them to apply for the cadets instead or go to college. A cadet fresh from Jerez in EI has better Ts and Cs from day one than any mech, no matter how much service he has got. A new pilot in EI enjoys strong Union protection, a decent pay scale, a decent pension and infinitely better career path. The only use there is now for an apprenticeship as an aircraft mech is as a stepping stone to something better. It really galls me to say that, but I could not, in conscience, encourage any school leaver to take it up.

100% correct. I've nearly 20 yrs experience in aircraft maintenance. I'm doing an MSC currently with a yr left of it. The writing is on the wall. The trade has gone down the pan rapidly.

lufties

kona wrote: »

EI wont be scratching around for engineers, there will always be somebody who wants to come home and tip away for a few years after earning the bulk of their wages abroad.
Aer lingus are taking on apprentice this year too so theres a few places in the future covered.

What do people think is a fair wage for a fully approved engineer?

A start of 60k as a newly qualified B1 with one type is fair IMO.

Stovepipe

No offence, but a newbie B1 with one TR is not experienced enough, to generate 60K. You'd be getting late 30s, early 40s and you'd be stuck on permie nights or such like.

kona

Stovepipe wrote: »

No offence, but a newbie B1 with one TR is not experienced enough, to generate 60K. You'd be getting late 30s, early 40s and you'd be stuck on permie nights or such like.

And a experienced b1?

Also what should a unapproved mechanic get?

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

No offence, but a newbie B1 with one TR is not experienced enough, to generate 60K. You'd be getting late 30s, early 40s and you'd be stuck on permie nights or such like.

Well given the responsibility, experience doesn't really come into it. 60k is what is fair, the reality however is the pay is peanuts especially in Ireland. The UK where i work is not much bettert, but your money goes further overall, and there's a lot more opportunities to get ahead in various ways. Ireland is a lot more competitive,

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

No offence, but a newbie B1 with one TR is not experienced enough, to generate 60K. You'd be getting late 30s, early 40s and you'd be stuck on permie nights or such like.

Also, i used for for EI, so I know the craic there.

Stovepipe

Unapproved mech? try Eu26K, when oul sweats in DA were getting that and an alleged bonus. Some of those who left lately were on about 45K and doubled their wages in the leasing companies.

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

Unapproved mech? try Eu26K, when oul sweats in DA were getting that and an alleged bonus. Some of those who left lately were on about 45K and doubled their wages in the leasing companies.

EI is recruiting I see. Too bad its a den of ***** though.

LeakRate

Unapproved mech pay should be in the region of 45k with shift, approved b1/ b2 should be 65-70k in my opinion.
There are still a few company's at home offering this wage, Cityjet, Ryanair, Stobart.
Dub Aerospace and Lingus approval pay is beyond a joke, insulting to be honest.
We only have ourselves to blame really, ok they we're able to get away with it when SRT closed. But there is a god awful habit of engineers more than happy to sit back and ride each other, im on x amount an hour than he his, but f**k him.
The pilots would never let it happen, when lingus opened their belfast base, they tried to put the jockies on lower pay, worse conditions, the result, all pilots ready to strike, not a hope it would happen with engineers.

kona

Some interesting points! Wonder if EI will be offering a more lucrative contract to its new recruits in order to secure the required experience. Perhaps even offer courses etc.

Seems theres a big gap in unapproved pay and approved lads. And large gaps depending on experience.

Maybe the momey in da and aer lingus isnt bad for inexperienced mechs and engineers.

jucylucy

As Leakrate said there are several companies paying a reasonable salary for experienced engineers.....why are so many obsessive with what EI are paying?
If its not what you want don't apply. They are entitled to pay what they want......and they get and retain staff appropriate to that rate.

Stovepipe

@leakrate, 100% correct; engineers are dreadful at stabbing each other instead of uniting and fending off management ****e. EI has gone from being the benchmark to being third-rate.

kona

Stovepipe wrote: »

EI has gone from being the benchmark to being third-rate.

It has also gone from a basketcase to a profitable company during this time.

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

@leakrate, 100% correct; engineers are dreadful at stabbing each other instead of uniting and fending off management ****e. EI has gone from being the benchmark to being third-rate.

I hear that leasing caper is very cut throat also..

Skuxx

I work in LHT SNN at the moment. The wages are awful but a lot of people will be there for life, hopefully not me included, but there isn't many options.
I'm fairly recently qualified, within the last 5 years, have my B1 and 2 types. My problem is, like many others, I'm from the area, Limerick, am young and getting married this year. I'm also saving for a mortgage. Being a self employed contractor must make it difficult to get mortgage approval, and spending the next 20 hopping around Europe and not seeing the kids grow up doesn't sound great either. LHT know that a lot of guys won't leave for these very reasons!

Does anybody know what AAG in Shannon wages are like?

lufties

Skuxx wrote: »

I work in LHT SNN at the moment. The wages are awful but a lot of people will be there for life, hopefully not me included, but there isn't many options.
I'm fairly recently qualified, within the last 5 years, have my B1 and 2 types. My problem is, like many others, I'm from the area, Limerick, am young and getting married this year. I'm also saving for a mortgage. Being a self employed contractor must make it difficult to get mortgage approval, and spending the next 20 hopping around Europe and not seeing the kids grow up doesn't sound great either. LHT know that a lot of guys won't leave for these very reasons!

Does anybody know what AAG in Shannon wages are like?

It doesn't need to be like you said, LHT SNN is slave labour and nothing short of it. Although if you are a home bird then options are limited. I've seen the world with this job in the last decade. I'm in my mid thirties so I'm thinking about settling down now.

For me the bottom line is that Ireland simply doesn't have the opportunities. My advice to you would be to try study an MSC and go into something more rewarding. This caper doesn't seem to be getting any better.

The Rape of Lucretia

lufties wrote: »

 LHT seem to be the epitomy of globalist exploitation, they strategically go to countries that have few resources and pay less than the going rates while maximising their labour output.

Is that not a first class business strategy by LHT though rather than exploitation? They are not exploiting - people can decline to work for them, and going to countries with few resources is the smart way to be efficient.

lufties

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Is that not a first class business strategy by LHT though rather than exploitation? They are not exploiting - people can decline to work for them, and going to countries with few resources is the smart way to be efficient.

There's a fine line between business strategy and exploitation. Slavery throughout the centuries could be considered first class business strategy.

Its easy for people like me to vote with my feet and walk away. But for people with families its different. 27k for a B1 is unethical.

Locker10a

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

lufties wrote: »

 LHT seem to be the epitomy of globalist exploitation, they strategically go to countries that have few resources and pay less than the going rates while maximising their labour output.

Is that not a first class business strategy by LHT though rather than exploitation? They are not exploiting - people can decline to work for them, and going to countries with few resources is the smart way to be efficient.

Business strategies often(mainly) are exploitative!!

Bussywussy

lufties wrote: »

LHT SNN is slave labour and nothing short of it.

DAL is worse again...

Stovepipe

The Shannon MROs have always taken the piss, to an extent that they wouldn't dare try in their native countries. SRT pulled stuff that the Swiss unions warned them not to try at home.If you are not getting a decent wage there, change direction and have a look at maintenance jobs in other industries. I did oil and gas equipment for two years and they are always hiring techs, especially turbine experience and/or anything avo or electrical, because most of the turbines are aero-derivatives and use aircraft technology. Failing that, investigate marine engineering, which always has a heavy demand for electrical/electronic men. Apart from that, plenty of companies in Ireland use ex-aircraft techs because they are well used to detailed maintenance of equipment, scheduled servicing and troubleshooting. Friends of mine have gone into pharma companies, wind energy, eco companies doing solar installations, Marine engineering, the Coast Guard, helicopters (ALWAYS a shortage of heli mechs but you'd have to be prepared to travel) and a host of others.If all else fails, try becoming a pilot! aircraft mechs always do well in that field.....@kona, EI has long been profitable and even now is one of the better performers in IAG, yet wages and conditions have fallen drastically (pension raped, for one thing) for engineers and other staff, despite a huge leap in productivity across the board. We also sold off a lot of overhaul services, that made a great deal of money for the company, in the race to the bottom and now have to buy it back from DA, among others.....in this day and age, anything below 40K for a qualified mech is pointless because of the cost of living in Ireland. You can't buy a house, you can't save a realistic amount for pensions or a rainy day and unless your other half has a decent income, you are facing emigration.

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

The Shannon MROs have always taken the piss, to an extent that they wouldn't dare try in their native countries. SRT pulled stuff that the Swiss unions warned them not to try at home.If you are not getting a decent wage there, change direction and have a look at maintenance jobs in other industries. I did oil and gas equipment for two years and they are always hiring techs, especially turbine experience and/or anything avo or electrical, because most of the turbines are aero-derivatives and use aircraft technology. Failing that, investigate marine engineering, which always has a heavy demand for electrical/electronic men. Apart from that, plenty of companies in Ireland use ex-aircraft techs because they are well used to detailed maintenance of equipment, scheduled servicing and troubleshooting. Friends of mine have gone into pharma companies, wind energy, eco companies doing solar installations, Marine engineering, the Coast Guard, helicopters (ALWAYS a shortage of heli mechs but you'd have to be prepared to travel) and a host of others.If all else fails, try becoming a pilot! aircraft mechs always do well in that field.....@kona, EI has long been profitable and even now is one of the better performers in IAG, yet wages and conditions have fallen drastically (pension raped, for one thing) for engineers and other staff, despite a huge leap in productivity across the board. We also sold off a lot of overhaul services, that made a great deal of money for the company, in the race to the bottom and now have to buy it back from DA, among others.....in this day and age, anything below 40K for a qualified mech is pointless because of the cost of living in Ireland. You can't buy a house, you can't save a realistic amount for pensions or a rainy day and unless your other half has a decent income, you are facing emigration.

Good post. I've looked at wind energy, but the money isn't good in that either. 2 years ago I bit the bullet and decided to do a masters in safety management. Just gives another string to the bow. Its also a way to cross over into risk management in rail or metro. I've a year left so hopefully it will allow me to bow out of aircraft engineering once and for all.

Stovepipe

As an example, in the two years that I was in oil and gas equipment, I serviced and overhauled turbines, fitted and ran them in test cells, installed them on oil rigs and land sites and took part in commissioning them in oil refineries, gas refineries and land sites such as back up generators for banks and hospitals. I also serviced diesels (despite having only ever serviced my own car), gas pumps, chemical pumps, fans, air filtration systems, compressors and a host of other mechanical devices on oil rigs. This also included decommissioning units for overhaul, right down to nailing the crate shut. There was a huge variety of work, including NDT and the ever present scraping off rust and painting steel. Aircraft mechs have an advantage in this field because they have experience of hydraulics, pneumatics, electrics, electronics, keeping accurate records, testing, calibrating and a million other things, that a lot of other trades simply don't. So, don't be afraid to change direction and get a qualification or two in other fields.

lufties

Stovepipe wrote: »

As an example, in the two years that I was in oil and gas equipment, I serviced and overhauled turbines, fitted and ran them in test cells, installed them on oil rigs and land sites and took part in commissioning them in oil refineries, gas refineries and land sites such as back up generators for banks and hospitals. I also serviced diesels (despite having only ever serviced my own car), gas pumps, chemical pumps, fans, air filtration systems, compressors and a host of other mechanical devices on oil rigs. This also included decommissioning units for overhaul, right down to nailing the crate shut. There was a huge variety of work, including NDT and the ever present scraping off rust and painting steel. Aircraft mechs have an advantage in this field because they have experience of hydraulics, pneumatics, electrics, electronics, keeping accurate records, testing, calibrating and a million other things, that a lot of other trades simply don't. So, don't be afraid to change direction and get a qualification or two in other fields.

That's impressive. I get the impression there's plenty of bread to be made in oil and gas if your willing to travel.

Stovepipe

That was based on five months in Texas, three in Belgium (Charleroi-at the Caterpillar plant, very near the airport), one each in Australia, Italy, Azerbaijan, Syria, Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Shortest time between jobs was five days, longest was three weeks, including leave. I got very sick of air travel and the associated delays, hotels and airports and the associated grim food. I was also doing small courses and jobs in the office (assembling fuel pumps was one). The wages were ****e but you got good expenses. The work day varied from office hours to 16 hour days, trying to get engines running on oil rigs. This was Oct 1995-7. Plenty of my former Don colleagues joined that industry and are still in it. Even back then, the American companies regarded a degree as a very basic thing to have and wouldn't hire anyone for advancement beyond field service tech unless they had a degree. These days, a lot of my current colleagues are getting degrees, for any hope of advancement, as the current management don't recognise the educational and financial value of a Type Rating, as they don't have a FETAC rating. Neither does a CPL, by the way. Ironic, that. Two major cornerstones of mechanic and pilot training, yet they are percieved as having no value by the State.

donkey balls

I know of lads who worked and trained as B1/B2 engineers one went into the transport industry and hasn't looked back more money better hours etc , The other works for a large engineering company.
Saying that they are Dublin based which seems to have more work floating around.

lufties

donkey balls wrote: »

I know of lads who worked and trained as B1/B2 engineers one went into the transport industry and hasn't looked back more money better hours etc , The other works for a large engineering company.
Saying that they are Dublin based which seems to have more work floating around.

What transport industry?

donkey balls

Luas trams and the crowd that do the MX for them cannot think of the name of the top of my head, And from what I heard there were a few more lads that worked in Dub that are working on the trams.

lufties

donkey balls wrote: »

Luas trams and the crowd that do the MX for them cannot think of the name of the top of my head, And from what I heard there were a few more lads that worked in Dub that are working on the trams.

I see. I'm thinking of getting into trains/Metro down the line (no pun intended).

Just for a change of scenery, 17 years of planes and airports (and security) is getting tiresome. However, I do have an interested in airports, more to do with operations.