Lotto Quick Pick has same number on every line.

Worztron

Hi.

Recently I got an Irish lotto quick pick and later looked at the ticket and saw that all 5 lines had 47 as the last number. What the hell? That's extremely unlikely to be random.

Anyone else get a quick pick like this?

dmc17

Yeah, often notice if I get 2 lines there could be 3 the same numbers on each line.

Lucena

Won't change your chances of winning, though.

evolving_doors

Lucena wrote: »

Won't change your chances of winning, though.

It will if 47 comes up :pac:

im not sure how many numbers are on the lotto or how quick pics work but it's possibly more likely that this happens than the likelihood of winning the lotto.

stimpson

Worztron wrote: »

That's extremely unlikely to be random

Actually it's just as likely as any other numbers.

Your Face

Agent 47 has been reactivated.
- ends communication -

BorneTobyWilde

I checked my ticket. I won, cool !

wylo

1,2,3,4,5,6 has the same chance of winning as any other numbers. Couldn't bring myself to using those numbers though

quadrifoglio verde

wylo wrote: »

1,2,3,4,5,6 has the same chance of winning as any other numbers. Couldn't bring myself to using those numbers though

Imagine if 10 people played those numbers around the country. You'd be delighted if you won off course, but you'd probably have to stick with island hopping

wylo

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Imagine if 10 people played those numbers around the country. You'd be delighted if you won off course, but you'd probably have to stick with island hopping

That's actually a good point I've never considered ! Now I'm definitely avoiding them.

quadrifoglio verde

wylo wrote: »

That's actually a good point I've never considered ! Now I'm definitely avoiding them.

In a quest to satisfy my curiosity 10K people in the UK play those numbers.

Also 133 people have shared a UK jackpot because they all had the same numbers.
OK they won 100K each, but imagine how ecstatic you'd be to think you were going to win 16 million and only arrive back home with 100K.
Not so life changing.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/17/national-lottery-numbers-20-years-katie-price-win-jackpot

Beyondgone

Can't say much on the quick-pick front, mainly as I'm allergic to the Lotto, but I've noticed a big upswing of people buying scratch-cards at work - them fancy ones for a fiver or more that have a few panes to scratch. Every time I sit down for a cuppa, someone's scratching away at one. I've yet to see anyone jump up roaring "Yessss! Feck all ye and yer work! I'm off to buy a plane!" So maybe they're a bit crap too?

rainbowtrout

I'd be happy enough with seeing numbers like 47 on a quick pick on the odd occasion when I buy one. A lot of people that do regular numbers pick them based on birthdays, anniversaries etc, so they tend to be in the 1-31 range. That and when the original lotto started there were only 36 numbers in it. I'm sure there are plenty who have been playing the same numbers for years. Far bigger chance of someone having duplicate numbers down that end of the number range than a set of winning numbers up in the 40s.

Atlantic Dawn

I heard if you get 2 quick pick lines the same on the one ticket you win 1 billion euro.

Ubbquittious

Where is this famous quickpick machine that has a penchant for the number 47?

Junkyard Tom

Worztron wrote: »

all 5 lines had 47 as the last number ... That's extremely unlikely to be random.

No matter how many times in a row heads is the result of a coin-flip the next flip is still 50/50. Not understanding this is why people play roulette and the house always wins.

TallGlass

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

In a quest to satisfy my curiosity 10K people in the UK play those numbers.

Also 133 people have shared a UK jackpot because they all had the same numbers.
OK they won 100K each, but imagine how ecstatic you'd be to think you were going to win 16 million and only arrive back home with 100K.
Not so life changing.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/17/national-lottery-numbers-20-years-katie-price-win-jackpot

I'd take my chances with a 100k !

sbsquarepants

Worztron wrote: »

Hi.

Recently I got an Irish lotto quick pick and later looked at the ticket and saw that all 5 lines had 47 as the last number. What the hell? That's extremely unlikely to be random.

Anyone else get a quick pick like this?

It about 100,000 / 1 coincidence (I think... I usually make a balls of working these things out:D)

So it is unusual, but in reality probably happens to somebody somewhere every day of the week.

Akrasia

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I'd be happy enough with seeing numbers like 47 on a quick pick on the odd occasion when I buy one. A lot of people that do regular numbers pick them based on birthdays, anniversaries etc, so they tend to be in the 1-31 range. That and when the original lotto started there were only 36 numbers in it. I'm sure there are plenty who have been playing the same numbers for years. Far bigger chance of someone having duplicate numbers down that end of the number range than a set of winning numbers up in the 40s.

The fact that there are 47 numbers in the lottery at all should piss you off to no end

They added 2 numbers and increased the price per line when premier lotteries took over which took your odds of winning the jackpot from 1 in 8,145,060 with 45 numbers to 1 in 10,737,573 with 47 balls in the drum.

The odds of winning the Euromillions jackpot is 1 in 116,531,800 (50 balls, 5 numbers but there are two 'lucky stars' that you need to get to win the jackpot)

Akrasia

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It about 100,000 / 1 coincidence (I think... I usually make a balls of working these things out:D)

So it is unusual, but in reality probably happens to somebody somewhere every day of the week.

If you buy a quick pick ticket, the odds of those numbers being chosen by the quick pick are 1 in about ten million, and the odds of those numbers being also picked in the lottery draw are 1 in about ten million.

Using common sense, you need to multiply those two numbers together so odds of those two draws happening to pick the same numbers by pure chance is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000

But the odds of me picking my telephone number as my lottery numbers is 1 in 1, so if I pick the same numbers every week, I improve my odds of winning by a factor of 10 million.

And that my friends, is why I am a multi millionaire.
#publogic

paulbok

Worztron wrote: »

Hi.

Recently I got an Irish lotto quick pick and later looked at the ticket and saw that all 5 lines had 47 as the last number. What the hell? That's extremely unlikely to be random.

Anyone else get a quick pick like this?

I've been noticing this for years with quickpicks. I don't always do the lotto, but might for a few draws if the jackpot is huge. I also tend not to check the tickets straight away, so might have 4-5 tickets to check when I do, and I notice that around 3/4 of the tickets will have a number repeating.

Always wondered if that gave the Lotto a statistical advantage (I know the probability is still the same)

Worztron

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Where is this famous quickpick machine that has a penchant for the number 47?

Cork City.

dilallio

My buddy is a bit of a conspiracy theorist.

He reckons that while any single ticket has the same odds of winning as any other ticket, quick picks tend to repeat some numbers a lot.

His theory is that this reduces the chances of random jackpot wins, and results in fewer wins, higher jackpots, and more people playing.

SEPT 23 1989

It's all gone to the dogs since the Canadians got their filthy paws on it

wylo

dilallio wrote: »

My buddy is a bit of a conspiracy theorist.

He reckons that while any single ticket has the same odds of winning as any other ticket, quick picks tend to repeat some numbers a lot.

His theory is that this reduces the chances of random jackpot wins, and results in fewer wins, higher jackpots, and more people playing.

I don't know how this could be scientifically possible unless some of the balls themselves are fixed to prevent them from coming through as often , i.e. The ones that reappear in a quick pick.

Naaa I'm not buying it! It's a pretty far fetched scam and would require far too many people to stay quiet!

Worztron

Of all the biggest jackpot wins -- how many were quick picks?

Of the jackpot wins in recent years -- were most quick picks?

sbsquarepants

wylo wrote: »

I don't know how this could be scientifically possible unless some of the balls themselves are fixed to prevent them from coming through as often , i.e. The ones that reappear in a quick pick.

Naaa I'm not buying it! It's a pretty far fetched scam and would require far too many people to stay quiet!

Nah, there's no scam. There's just no need for one, the owners can't loose - it's set up so that the prize is a percentage of the sales - by definition, no matter what the prize there's always money left over for them to keep. There's a minimum jackpot but you can be sure that if they ever need to add money to the kitty, it's comes straight back out on the next rollover.

It's like Vegas, people assume it's run by the mob so there must be a fiddle - but it's all perfectly above board. They can make so much money legit and hassle free, that there is just no need to swindle and invite trouble and complications.

Winterlong

Why is it that the winning ticket for either Lotto or euromillions in ireland seem to be bought in shops. And not online?
Scam!

Captain_Crash

I had a quick pick for the Euromillions once where one number matched and each other number was only 2 or 3 away from the drawn number. So close yet so far.

learn_more

Winterlong wrote: »

Why is it that the winning ticket for either Lotto or euromillions in ireland seem to be bought in shops. And not online?
Scam!

Just a guess - I'd say only 10% of tickets are bought online. Wild guess as I say.

ConnyMcDavid

Lucena wrote: »

Won't change your chances of winning, though.

It does really. If the lottery construct's tickets that are not random there must be a purpose to making an effort.

The last 6 tickets I've bought, all the lines have had;

-Same particular number on each lines of one ticket on all 6 tickets.
- Have had at least one row with a couple, even 3 consecutive numbers.
-3 lines of euro million all had numbers in common in the star number.

Pugzilla

Lotteries are a fool's game. Just becomes another form of tax.

Grayson

stimpson wrote: »

Actually it's just as likely as any other numbers.

No it's not. But at the same time it kinda is.

Lotto machines don't randomise numbers. they use a random number generator (RMG). Most random number generators generate a number by taking an input and scrambling it through a load of processes before spitting out a number at the end.

But it's not quite random. Everything it does is based on the number that's inputted. In the case of an RMG the input number that it uses is normally the time. That way if you run it twice you get two different set of numbers because you're running it at different times.

The thing is that random number generators aren't random. They just generate the appearance of randomness. The idea is that we can't predict what's going to come out so it appears random. And because they're not truly random, they wouldn't be exactly the same distribution of results. So the odds of a particular number set appearing on a lotto ticket are not the exact same as any other, but they're so close that we wouldn't notice the difference. It's statistically insignificant.

However it would be possible to input a particular set and retrieve a very similar set of results. For that to happen with the lotto machine it just means buying a ticket at a precise millisecond. And the chances of doing that are so fecking minuscule. In fact it's probably random. Although the number generator spits out results you can track if you know the input, we can't predict to the millisecond when the OP was going to walk up and ask for a ticket.

The reason the OP asks if there's anything up with the lotto system is because although the numbers are as close to random as a human can generate on a machine, humans are designed to see patterns. And we're designed to read into patters so we can find deeper meaning. The problem is that we read into stuff when there's nothing to read into.

Capt'n Midnight

wylo wrote: »

1,2,3,4,5,6 has the same chance of winning as any other numbers. Couldn't bring myself to using those numbers though

But you'd win far less if you pick a common combination.

Wasn't there a lottery where the match 4 winners got more than the match 5 winners because of this ?

4068ac1elhodqr

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

It does really. If the lottery construct's tickets that are not random there must be a purpose to making an effort.

The last 6 tickets I've bought, all the lines have had;

-Same particular number on each lines of one ticket on all 6 tickets.
- Have had at least one row with a couple, even 3 consecutive numbers.
-3 lines of euro million all had numbers in common in the star number.

Pugzilla wrote: »

Lotteries are a fool's game. Just becomes another form of tax.

Agree all standard lotteries are no good, but the one exception of 'hotpick' type' of ball selection markets (difficult to access), for Euromillions.

The other posters points are all invalid, stars have no correlation on main balls, sequential can also be an advantage (ask jcool) who spotted a gap in 1500/1 seq-triple last year.

Also having the same ball across lines can also be an advantage, well depending on what ball it is exactly, and the application of 'fuzzy logic systems' to determine primary selections.

e.g. I'm purposefully runnning #18 in EM's, across 4/5 of the HP lines until it shows up again.

dreamers75

A quick pick is playing the lotto odds twice tho, why would you do that?

4068ac1elhodqr

dreamers75 wrote: »

A quick pick is playing the lotto odds twice tho, why would you do that?

A quickpick with just one or two, or even three numbers matching across two or more lines makes no difference.

Aside from (very very small advantage) using systems, each and every number has an equal chance.

And as above, certain numbers might even be good idea to have repeated on lines.

Best solution, don't do quickpick, which is just a math.random(); machine script anyway.
Even better still: don't do the regular lotto(s), use the hotpicks type markets for better %ROI.

Outlaw Pete

Every lotto I do the same numbers in about a hundred different newsagents just so that if I ever win I can troll the Lotto HQ when they tell me 'Sorry Sir, but 99 other people in Dublin also did those numbers'. I'll tell them that's just too much for me to handle and play the sound of gunshot down the line and then go silent for a couple of minutes, before then saying 'Ah, I'm only messing with yas'.

Pac1Man

The OP's ticket is probably out of date now.

Akrasia

spotify and other music streaming services have a 'shuffle' or a 'random' option. But they found that when they left it at random, people complained that they were hearing the same songs too often so they had to add in a clause to say if a song has been played, it is excluded from the playlist for a certain length of time.

Random sequences create the illusion of patterns in a pattern identifying brain like we have.

The most apparently random lists are deliberately engineered to not be fully random

juneg

They test the lotto machines between draws too. So your preferred numbers could have come up during the mid week test.

dxhound2005

Aitana Important Clothespin wrote: »

Even better still: don't do the regular lotto(s), use the hotpicks type markets for better %ROI.

When was the last time someone won a million on that game?

Worztron

Pac1Man wrote: »

The OP's ticket is probably out of date now.

Hi Pac1Man. No, they are good for 90 days AFAIK. I won little or nothing anyway on that ticket.

4068ac1elhodqr

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When was the last time someone won a million on that game?

Not sure, the 1m for x5 main EM balls is a very new offering (26th Jan), from the folks over at Camelot, so not nearly as many players as the regular one.

In their last draw, there was 1 winner in every 60 and total just 300k players. The cost is 60% of the regular game and some goes to good causes also, unlike regular EM.

Hopefully it will be introduced to Ire after the successful trial across the water, but many folks just use the bookie shop anyway.

Worth noting every week there is usually a single 5 main ball winner in Ire's EM main draw (none last night, but x12 across the EU).

... and the prize for that x5 in the regular EM lotto?

Well it's not 1m(stg), it's usually only about €30k! But 30k actually is what you get for 'x4 balls' using Hotpicks, so the math speaks for itself.

I've managed x1 single and x3 (100/1) doubles so far. Another chap here (jacool) managed a triple (1500/1) using a sequential prediction.