How do people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Hannibal_Smith

So, erm, did we find out how people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Barry Badrinath

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

So, erm, did we find out how people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Koka noodles and handjobs

Hannibal_Smith

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Koka noodles and handjobs

Hence the term...living hand to mouth

lmimmfn

ScumLord wrote: »

If you get into the right company they'll send you on a two day training course that covers what someone spent a few years learning in college.

I agree with the rest but i dont think its possible to condense years of experience into 2 days, for IT maybe 3 weeks for a brain dump which would obviously not cover everything but would include the main points with different tech.

givyjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

You sound like you need a holiday if someone on a forum can wind you up with their opinion. You have an opinion as do I based on friends in the career. No one said they were poor just you I did not say that. No need for cursing either it is not a sign of intelligent discussion.

Jebus wept, cursing? A little bit of delicate flower are you?! Hardly winding me up, mildly irritated by the incessant pointless nitpicking. I think you may need that holiday to broaden your mind if you're so easily irked by 'cursing'. As for intelligence, i don't think 'oh but my friend said' adds anything particularly groundbreaking, get over yourself.

You were clearly implying they (as a profession) aren't well paid, can't really see the point of your post if you weren't trying to imply just that.

Forget opinions and go look at some salary surveys, shouldn't be too hard to find and you'll see the profession is still well paid. Oh but my friend said.. give me a break. Call it an opinion if you like, you represented it as somehow relevant to the salaries ofthe overall profession, it isn't.

Glenster

Geuze wrote: »

Salaried general practice doctors (GPs) earn £55,412 to £83,617 depending on the length of service and experience.

+ bonuses

https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/general-practice-doctor

The average salary of a salaried GP is slightly less than £50K, most also do out of hours work so they might make a little more, but so would you if you drove an uber in the evening.

Avatar MIA

Geuze wrote: »

Average full-time earnings in Ireland in 2015 were 45,075

In a particular industry maybe. But average wage is really low, approx €22k I think.

Zascar

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/high-earner-ireland-755580-Jan2013/

https://lovindublin.com/news/this-is-the-average-wage-of-a-full-time-worker-in-ireland

Glenster

Glenster wrote: »

If you had a free house and someone to mind your kid all day I'd say it'd be alright.

after rent, 40% tax, pension, insurance, medical expenses, travel costs I feel the hurt. I'm sure if I had childcare costs I wouldn't be doing much better than 400 quid a week.

Not a free house, she had to pay rent. Which all council tenants do. Council house rent is more expensive if you work...

Still though I know what you mean. Myself and my partner will most likely have kids in the next few years and even though we earn good wages childcare etc will be crazy...but we will still be a lot better off than my Mother and her "free house"!

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

Average full-time earnings in Ireland in 2015 were 45,075 or 867 pw.

That's gross pay, surely. Which is more like 650ish per week.

pilly

Karsyn Ancient Bridge wrote:

It's hard to describe how pathetic posters are who stalk post history looking for information. They are too dim to understand how people's jobs, situation, outlook, plans etc change over the years and how different the current reality is compared to some random post years back.

Only it wasn't years ago. A week or 2 at most.

Avatar MIA

Avatar MIA wrote: »

In a particular industry maybe. But average wage is really low, approx ?22k I think.

Average wage across all full time employees in all industries is 45k.

Yourself isit

Glenster wrote: »

The average salary of a salaried GP is slightly less than £50K, most also do out of hours work so they might make a little more, but so would you if you drove an uber in the evening.

Well your personal anecdote has definitely convinced me that his linked and valid statistics are incorrect.

Yourself isit

Lacey Helpful Sifter wrote: »

Average wage across all full time employees in all industries is 45k.

I might be wrong but I think that's the average full time industrial wage.

The average is not a useful figure anyway. Full time when less so. One industry even less so.

Edit: the cso is all jobs not industrial. Still the mean though.

Yourself isit

dazza161989 wrote: »

Maybe 6 weeks out of 52....

So for only 6 weeks retail workers can do overtime? Wow

pilly

mariaalice wrote:

It is hard to understand why anyone would make life choices that they know are going to limit themselves in the future.

It's not hard to not be a judgemental arsehole though.

Permabear

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I'm unemployed after paying rent and bills I have average 35 euro left then 20 euro a week for food. Its livable

steddyeddy

Glenster wrote: »

Me: What's the point of learning about perabolas mr Giblin?
Mr Giblin: They're used to calculate the shine off of car headlights.
Me: *Oh I actually didn't care in the first place.

Any kid who asks an off curriculum question is a time waster, either on purpose or by accident.

So you want a child to study to pass exams, not understand the subject. In many subjects, biology for instance, the curriculum is so bad that you could come out with a worse understanding of how things work. Asking questions related to the subject area gives a better understanding of what's in the curriculum and better prepares that student for uni.

Geuze

Avatar MIA wrote: »

In a particular industry maybe. But average wage is really low, approx €22k I think.

No.

Average earnings for all full time workers in 2015 were 45K.

Look up the CSO earnings data, it's all there.

For all workers in 2015, average earnings were 36 K approx.

Geuze

Lia_lia wrote: »

That's gross pay, surely. Which is more like 650ish per week.

Yes, of course. Wages are always quoted gross.

Geuze

Yourself isit wrote: »

I might be wrong but I think that's the average full time industrial wage.

The average is not a useful figure anyway. Full time when less so. One industry even less so.

Edit: the cso is all jobs not industrial. Still the mean though.

No it's average earnings for all full time workers.

Average earnings in 2015 were 45,075 for all FT workers.

Geuze

Average hourly earnings were 21.90 in 2015.
That's all workers across all sectors, before anybody asks.

99problems

I survive pretty well , then again I don't have a high horse to feed and water.

Glenster

steddyeddy wrote: »

So you want a child to study to pass exams, not understand the subject. In many subjects, biology for instance, the curriculum is so bad that you could come out with a worse understanding of how things work. Asking questions related to the subject area gives a better understanding of what's in the curriculum and better prepares that student for uni.

Curriculums arent random collections of useless facts.
Theyre constructed in such a way to give the broadest possible knowledge of a subject in the given time.
And exams are constructed to test that knowledge to see if the curriculum (that is to say the standard knowledge that every kids *should know) has been imparted apropriately.
If kids want to know other sh*t, good on them. But do that independently, class is for teaching the curriculum.

steddyeddy

Glenster wrote: »

Curriculums arent random collections of useless facts.
Theyre constructed in such a way to give the broadest possible knowledge of a subject in the given time.

Ah now you're taking the theory of a curriculum and assuming this is the practice. Certain subjects like biology have curriculum that are simply not representative of the subject. Who designs curriculum? Teachers in the civil service.

The person who designed the biology curriculum was a botanist. There's no real biochemistry (which is what biology is all about) there's a vague description of photosynthesis and some cell stuff. Nothing of substance and at third level we tell biology students forget what you know about the biology curriculum. It's so basic as to be wrong.

The guy who designed it actually failed his exams again and again in UCD. My former supervisor tried to deny him the chance to resit again and again but he eventually got through with a 2.2. Then he went straight into the department of education because of someone he was related to and eventually designed the curriculum. He was an idiot and the curriculum is idiotic. Let scientists design science curriculum.

And exams are constructed to test that knowledge to see if the curriculum (that is to say the standard knowledge that every kids *should know) has been imparted apropriately.
If kids want to know other sh*t, good on them. But do that independently, class is for teaching the curriculum.

The bit in bold is according to you. It's wrong. So teachers should only know how to rabbit out facts and not know anything deeper. Let's test this.

Biology curriculum - photosynthesis involves plants converting sunloight into chemical energy. Student - what do you mean by chemical energy? How does it do that? How can sunlight be energy. You think a teacher shouldn't be able to answer that question.

Mister Vain

Hollister11 wrote: »

How do people live on roughly 400 quid a week. Now they all live at home with the folks but what are they going to do in the future when they need a mortgage? How are they going to afford it?

A mortgage is a pipe dream for a lot of people. Not everyone wants one either. I certainly won't be getting one anytime soon. I'll be lucky if I can rent a place in a rural area.

steddyeddy

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP to answer your question:

Anyone on that wage long term doesn't try to buy a house: they cant afford it. Best case, we provode social housing for them to have a stable address.

They pay almost no tax.

And if they have kids they get child allowsnce and FIS.

Most likely they qualify for a medical card.

And if things go wrong they go to Vincent de Paul or similar for food.

Smart ones get promoted to better jobs eg retail management.

Not true. Irish VAT is quite high relative to most of Europe. VAT is also a tax that effects the poorest in society disproportionate to their income. .

Glenster

steddyeddy wrote: »

Not true. Irish VAT is quite high relative to most of Europe. VAT is also a tax that effects the poorest in society disproportionate to their income. .

Not disproportionately. Equally.

The statistics are distorted by high net worth individuals who don't earn money and just consume luxury items.

Removing those people who don't earn any money and aren't on social welfare it is a flat tax.

And taking into account that there is a much higher proportion of unspent earnings in higher income households which we could consider deferred tax (and we might also consider is likely to have been partially transferred to and spent by the previously mentioned group) there is an argument to be made that it is a progressive tax.

Glenster

Permabear wrote: »

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Depends what you mean by overhead.

A CEO salary is technically overhead.