How do people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Glenster

Glenster wrote: »

The Phd thing was an absolute joke. They spend their day teaching spellings, why do they need an intricate knowledge of humanist principles as they apply to medieval teaching strategies?

And the salary thing? they already start on ?40K FTE. If he govt tries to raise 60,000 ps worker's salaries by 5K at least each, they'd better fortify Leinster house because the working people of Ireland will burn it to the ground.

They start on about 28k and they wouldn't really be raising the salaries they would be putting the starting salary back to where it should be.

I was referring to secondary school teachers mostly. In science and maths it is far better to have a person with an indpeth understanding of the subjects teaching them. Other counties are doing their best to get highly qualified people into these jobs like the UK who offer higher pay to people teaching maths etc.

Glenster

Geuze wrote: »

Teachers start on 30k approx.

Summers off mate.

Glenster

Glenster wrote: »

Summers off mate.

Totally irrelevant.

Glenster

Lacey Helpful Sifter wrote: »

They start on about 28k and they wouldn't really be raising the salaries they would be putting the starting salary back to where it should be.

I was referring to secondary school teachers mostly. In science and maths it is far better to have a person with an indpeth understanding of the subjects teaching them. Other counties are doing their best to get highly qualified people into these jobs like the UK who offer higher pay to people teaching maths etc.

28K for 9 months work = 37K FTE

And lets not get into the fact that their hours are 9 to 4.


And explain to me why geography teachers need to be really smart. Or PE teachers. Or Irish Teachers.

You'd swear they were researching DNA to find new gene therapies to reverse aging or something. They read from a book, same thing they did last year, same thing they'll do next year.

And they're teaching to a level that most of us found doable/understandable 15 years ago.

Rubberchikken

i think if someone does well enough in college to earn any letters after their name, then chooing to use them or not is ok with me.

i survive on minimum wage on a 24 hour shift, hoping to get more hours by working harder. that's the plan anyway:)
never had the opportunity to go to college and haven't the time/energy at this stage so i'll soldier on;)

Murrisk

Glenster wrote: »

28K for 9 months work = 37K FTE

And lets not get into the fact that their hours are 9 to 4.


And explain to me why geography teachers need to be really smart. Or PE teachers. Or Irish Teachers.

You'd swear they were researching DNA to find new gene therapies to reverse aging or something. They read from a book, same thing they did last year, same thing they'll do next year.

And they're teaching to a level that most of us found doable/understandable 15 years ago.

Teachers need an in-depth knowledge of their subject to aid the bright kid in the class who asks them an advanced question, beyond the curriculum. You might think "So they can't answer the kid, so what?" but then that kid gets disillusioned with education, bored, unchallenged, begins to lose interest, grades drop and their potential is not met.

You want teachers that are able to spot potential greatness in a student and have the ability to nurture that potential.

I know somebody teaching secondary maths who did NOT do Honours LC Maths and who did NOT study for a degree with a maths component. That is all kinds of wrong.

Glenster

Murrisk wrote: »

Teachers need an in-depth knowledge of their subject to aid the bright kid in the class who asks them an advanced question, beyond the curriculum. You might think "So they can't answer the kid, so what?" but then that kid gets disillusioned with education, bored, unchallenged, begins to lose interest, grades drop and their potential is not met.

You want teachers that are able to spot potential greatness in a student and have the ability to nurture that potential.

Its not their job to answer questions outside the curriculum.

Here's what their response should be, "Look it up".

Now that's a valuable lesson.

Murrisk

Glenster wrote: »

Its not their job to answer questions outside the curriculum.

I disagree, the best teachers I had did just this, went beyond. A big complaint with our education system is the rote learning element. Teachers who just stick to curriculum are as much rote-learners as the students.

Telling a child to "look it up" isn't helpful if they don't have a good foundation of knowledge that a teacher can teach to them.

To say it's not their job to go beyond the curriculum is to think like a jobsworth. And everyone hates jobsworths.

Wintergirl

happywithlife wrote: »

My husband hated school and ended up working in the job he started in at 14 years of age
Rock on 20 years he's still there and yet to hit €10 an hour. It's absolute crap. But he is so slow to change. He pulls in a decent enough wage when busy as he also gets some piecemeal pay on top of his Base wage. But it's very long hours. It was okay when it was just the two of us but realistically now with 3 kids he just about breaks even after paying for childcare but he'd rather be working which is fine. It's heartbreaking that his wage is so low though and he has been talking lots recently of leaving but with no qualifications he's loath to leave and I think he'd rather the devil he knows than the unknown

I dont understand these posts, why do people have three children when they aren't earning enough to support them, they know what childcare costs for two children so another child is going to cost a third more.

Did these people miss a lot of maths classes at school.

I was reading another thread on accommodation, one whinged posted that he was living in digs by himself while his other half was living with her parents and two children.This didn't stop man in digs and OH having a third child and he then had the cheek to complain that the council wouldn't give him a house quick enough.This head in the sand stuff is mind boggling.

Glenster

Murrisk wrote: »

I know somebody teaching secondary maths who did NOT do Honours LC Maths and who did NOT study for a degree with a maths component. That is all kinds of wrong.

All the answers are in the book.

And leaving cert maths isn't some sort of impenetrable maze, an adult doing it all day should be able to understand it without some sort of advanced degree. Jesus! s/he should at least be one step ahead of 13 year olds who are doing 8 other subjects.

Electric Sheep

skankkuvhima wrote: »

It must be just networking that these certs are important? I'm in development and I have no certs.

Same here, and salaries definitely are not based on certification around here, they are based on experience.

Graces7

Glenster wrote: »

They mark them while the class is doing an exercise. Standard tactic.

I never did. Before I got a car I used to travel home on the bus with three sets of exercise books in bag. Teaching time is for teaching .

Glenster

Murrisk wrote: »

I disagree, the best teachers I had did just this, went beyond. A big complaint with our education system is the rote learning element. Teachers who just stick to curriculum are as much rote-learners as the students.

Telling a child to "look it up" isn't helpful if they don't have a good foundation of knowledge that a teacher can teach to them.

To say it's not their job to go beyond the curriculum is to think like a jobsworth. And everyone hates jobsworths.

Me: What's the point of learning about perabolas mr Giblin?
Mr Giblin: They're used to calculate the shine off of car headlights.
Me: *Oh I actually didn't care in the first place.

Any kid who asks an off curriculum question is a time waster, either on purpose or by accident.

givyjoe

Glenster wrote: »

All the answers are in the book.

And leaving cert maths isn't some sort of impenetrable maze, an adult doing it all day should be able to understand it without some sort of advanced degree. Jesus! s/he should at least be one step ahead of 13 year olds who are doing 8 other subjects.

Thats crazy logic, and the exact kind of nonsense which drives employers in the real world nonsense. What do you do when posed with a question, that doesn't have an answer in a book, when in the real world!!

Glenster

givyjoe wrote: »

Thats crazy logic, and the exact kind of nonsense which drives employers in the real world nonsense. What do you do when posed with a question that doesn't have an answer in a book in the real world!!

Like what is the meaning of life?

Or How do I get to Dawson street from the Baggott inn?

The answer is the same, "This is school time, a time for learning the curriculum that was crafted by experts to give you the most appropriate and broadest education teachable in a 9 month school year. So stop wasting your time."

givyjoe

Glenster wrote: »

Like what is the meaning of life?

Or How do I get to Dawson street from the Baggott inn?

The answer is the same, "This is school time, a time for learning the curriculum that was crafted by experts to give you the most appropriate and broadest education teachable in a 9 month school year. So stop wasting your time."

I seriously hope you're not a teacher or in any way connected to education. Who do you think those magical experts are?!?!?! Folens?!

Graces7

Glenster wrote: »

28K for 9 months work = 37K FTE

And lets not get into the fact that their hours are 9 to 4.


And explain to me why geography teachers need to be really smart. Or PE teachers. Or Irish Teachers.

You'd swear they were researching DNA to find new gene therapies to reverse aging or something. They read from a book, same thing they did last year, same thing they'll do next year.

And they're teaching to a level that most of us found doable/understandable 15 years ago.

Have you ever tried standing in front of a class of kids ? And getting them to listen, stop talking etc, held their interest?

No two classes are the same either. Teaching is about TEACHING , about imparting skills and knowledge by winning their attention and interest.

"read from a book"indeed...

pilly

Hollister11 wrote: »

Plenty of people I went to school with are working full time in supermarkets. Most would be on circa €10 per hour.

How do people live on roughly 400 quid a week. Now they all live at home with the folks but what are they going to do in the future when they need a mortgage? How are they going to afford it?

I'm in college atm, and earn €50 a week, just to get by, but I'm sacrificing money now to have a good paying job for life.

Would these people not go to college and at least doubt what there on now a few years after graduating?

EDIT: Thread Title should be - How do people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

Thinly veiled "I'm so much better than all my friends" thread.

Hollister11

pilly wrote: »

Thinly veiled "I'm so much better than all my friends" thread.

All my friends are in college bar 1. The people I'm talking about were just in school with my.
Of my friends there doing the following courses.

2 * Medicine
2 * English and History
1 * Marketing
1 * Physics
1 * Engineering

The lad who isn't on college work FT in Dunnes.

Murrisk

Glenster wrote: »

Me: What's the point of learning about perabolas mr Giblin?
Mr Giblin: They're used to calculate the shine off of car headlights.
Me: *Oh I actually didn't care in the first place.

Any kid who asks an off curriculum question is a time waster, either on purpose or by accident.

Oh right, why does the US education bother with those advanced-level classes for high school students? Bunch of time-wasters.

Glenster

Glenster wrote: »

Its not their job to answer questions outside the curriculum.

Here's what their response should be, "Look it up".

Now that's a valuable lesson.

You're doing a very good job of proving the point that not everyone is cut out for teaching with comments like the above.

Tsipras

Hollister11 wrote: »

pilly wrote: »

Thinly veiled "I'm so much better than all my friends" thread.

All my friends are in college bar 1. The people I'm talking about were just in school with my.
Of my friends there doing the following courses.

2 * Medicine
2 * English and History
1 * Marketing
1 * Physics
1 * Engineering

The lad who isn't on college work FT in Dunnes.

With your grammar skills and the fact that you reckon you have exactly 8 friends, 
are you a 7 year old?

I know where the OP is coming from and people are being a bit hard on the OP.

It is hard to understand why anyone would make life choices that they know are going to limit themselves in the future.

givyjoe

givyjoe wrote: »

That's why folks pick historically stable jobs like doctors, solicitors, accountants etc. Almost guaranteed a good income after the toiling in college.

Doctors and solicitors no longer have as good an income as they once had based on friends in both careers.

Tsipras

Tsipras wrote: »

With your grammar skills and the fact that you reckon you have exactly 8 friends, 
are you a 7 year old?

What has the OP's grammar skills got to do with the question?

givyjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

Doctors and solicitors no longer have as good an income as they once had based on friends in both careers.

I also have friends in both, still excellent salaries.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Hollister11 wrote: »

All my friends are in college bar 1. The people I'm talking about were just in school with my.
Of my friends there doing the following courses.

2 * Medicine
2 * English and History
1 * Marketing
1 * Physics
1 * Engineering

The lad who isn't on college work FT in Dunnes.

Is the E & H dude in UL?

freshpopcorn

mariaalice wrote: »

I know where the OP is coming from and people are being a bit hard on the OP.

It is hard to understand why anyone would make life choices that they know are going to limit themselves in the future.

Some would view going to college getting high pressure jobs and big mortgages limiting their future happiness. When they know they can tip along and get by.

DEFTLEFTHAND

givyjoe wrote: »

I also have friends in both, still excellent salaries.

I know that small legal firms and sole practitioners were hit hard during the recession. Drop of up to 60% in income in certain cases.

There's too many solicitors in Ireland. Every Tom, Dick and Harry decided they wanted to do Law and then on to Blackhall during the boom.

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Some would view going to college getting high pressure jobs and big mortgages limiting their future happiness. When they know they can tip along and get by.

"Getting by" doesn't cut it for a lot of people though.