Attack on Syrian refugee convoy bus

Dubh Linn

By rwbug

More horrific images from Syria today after rebels targeted buses carrying Assad supporting civilians from besieged villages near Idlib to Assad held areas. They had been promised safe passage as part of an agreement which also allowed besieged rebel supporting civilians safe passage to rebel held areas.

I thought I'd create a new thread about this because it is a huge breaking news story at the moment...

At least 41 people have now died after a car bombing attack on a convoy of buses carrying refugees from Aleppo and other besieged Syrian towns in the area.

People have been stuck there for about 35 hours with no food, water or place to go to the toilet.

Apparently, a large vehicle rammed the side of one of the buses and a suicide bomber blew himself up inside, causing a huge explosion. Photographs from the scene show a number of buses burning and quite a lot of injured evacuees, stranded by the blast.

There are unconfirmed reports that IS has claimed responsibility for the bombing, but the finger of blame is being pointed at rebels instead.

It is believed the buses involved were carrying residents evacuated from two pro-government villages in northern Syria when they were hit in Rashidin.

Terrible news all the same, who do you think they did it and why?

Will there ever be a resolution to this long and bloody war?

Beyondgone

If the US assisted Russia and Assad in actually crushing these cnuts instead of supporting them, it would end very rapidly. That doesn't fit the US/Israeli agenda though, so it will drag on bloodier than ever.

It needs to be mentioned the "Rebels" agreed to a cease-fire in order for the civilians to be evacuated, then broke that cease-fire by attacking the busses. The pictures on line are grim. Very grim.

Anyone who still doubts that "The Rebels" wouldn't stoop so low as to use stolen chlorine gas barrels as weapons against civilians ought to have a bit of a think on.

Collie D

This is the one of those stories where all sides will blame each other and the truth will be another victim. If it was IS I'd imagine they'll "take credit" for it for want of a better phrase.

Syria: An absolute cluster****

wakka12

Wow, its just so strange when you think about how much humanity is developing in other ways but then theres so much stuff like this happening around the world too, may as well be 1900

Gatling

Another syria thread ,

It's hardly​ a huge story but it seems at least 20 rebels were killed who were escorting the buses which would likely mean isis who carried out another horrendous attack.


*Mods can this thread be merged with the other Syria thread *

CoolHandBandit

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I thought I'd create a new thread about this because it is a huge breaking news story at the moment...

At least 41 people have now died after a car bombing attack on a convoy of buses carrying refugees from Aleppo and other besieged Syrian towns in the area.

People have been stuck there for about 35 hours with no food, water or place to go to the toilet.

Apparently, a large vehicle rammed the side of one of the buses and a suicide bomber blew himself up inside, causing a huge explosion. Photographs from the scene show a number of buses burning and quite a lot of injured evacuees, stranded by the blast.

There are unconfirmed reports that IS has claimed responsibility for the bombing, but the finger of blame is being pointed at rebels instead.

It is believed the buses involved were carrying residents evacuated from two pro-government villages in northern Syria when they were hit in Rashidin.

Terrible news all the same, who do you think they did it and why?

Will there ever be a resolution to this long and bloody war?

The region is a feckin mess. IS/Rebels/Al Nusra nobody seems to be able to control these savages. Imo every country in that region seems to be more stable with a dictator type figure in charge and the Americans keeping their big size 12's out of it.

Dubh Linn

They are now saying that over 100 people are now dead, with the death toll expected to rise "substantially". Jesus, just when you thought things just couldn't get any worse...

Atoms for Peace

The more this mess goes on the more I think Al-Assad is the only hope remaining to bring any kind of stability back to that region.

Gatling

Dubh Linn wrote: »

They are now saying that over 100 people are now dead, with the death toll expected to rise "substantially". Jesus, just when you thought things just couldn't get any worse...

It's syria hundreds die on a daily basis unfortunately

Yourself isit

Gatling wrote: »

It's syria hundreds die on a daily basis unfortunately

Yeh. Just unfortunate (like an accident) when the rebels kill civilians. Horrendous and evil when assad supposedly does.

Depp

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The more this mess goes on the more I think Al-Assad is the only hope remaining to bring any kind of stability back to that region.

Agree with this...al-nusra are islamist scum and if theyre let take over the region it can only mean bad news...for syrians more than anyone else

Gatling

Yourself isit wrote: »

Yeh. Just unfortunate (like an accident) when the rebels kill civilians. Horrendous and evil when assad supposedly does.

save your faux outrage and dramatics snowflake

Yourself isit

Gatling wrote: »

save your faux outrage and dramatics snowflake

Why do you think my outrage is faux? And why are you so upset when rebels are criticised?

Gatling

Yourself isit wrote: »

Why do you think my outrage is faux? And why are you so upset when rebels are criticised?

Rebel's were killed in the attack do keep up ,


It's not like assad using chemical weapons against civilians

Beyondgone

Gatling wrote: »

save your faux outrage and dramatics snowflake

What an odd outburst. Do you and that poster have some sort of personal animosity?

Gatling

Beyondgone wrote: »

What an odd outburst. Do you and that poster have some sort of personal animosity?

Lol.

Depp

Gatling wrote: »

It's not like assad using chemical weapons against civilians

still on this I see...been nearly two weeks surely some evidence would have come out no?

Gatling

Depp wrote: »

still on this I see...been nearly two weeks surely some evidence would have come out no?

Autopsies have proven sarin , russia has blocked a UN investigation that they called for themselves ,oddly russia didn't even condemn it ,

Which would suggest Assad and Putin don't want the truth to come out ,

Beyondgone

Gatling wrote: »

Lol.

Still none the wiser.

I did lol too at your "Assad using chemical weapons" assertion thought. He's "a bad man" right? Like Hussein was "a bad man" when it suited and like Quaddafi was "a bad man" when it suited. Latest in a long line of "bad men" in the eyes of the US..when it suits.

Gatling

Beyondgone wrote: »

Still none the wiser.

I did lol too at your "Assad using chemical weapons" assertion thought. He's "a bad man" right? Like Hussein was "a bad man" when it suited and like Quaddafi was "a bad man" when it suited. Latest in a long line of "bad men" in the eyes of the US..when it suits.

Do you have a point other than America did this and America did that .

Noriaga (drugs trafficking​)
Saddam (used chemical weapons against Kurds , massacred more Kurds ,invaded Kuwait,) hung after trial by Iraqis
Gadaffi ( attacked his own population got killed by a Libyan )

Quite a short list really

Depp

Gatling wrote: »

Autopsies have proven sarin , russia has blocked a UN investigation that they called for themselves ,oddly russia didn't even condemn it ,

Which would suggest Assad and Putin don't want the truth to come out ,

autopsies by who? also didnt realise assad was the worlds only producer of sarin

Gatling

Depp wrote: »

autopsies by who? also didnt realise assad was the worlds only producer of sarin

Turkish and British doctors.

So who else would drop sarin gas in that area and from a fighter jet , russia ?

Depp

Gatling wrote: »

Turkish and British doctors.

So who else would drop sarin gas in that area and from a fighter jet , russia ?

any links to them? wouldnt mind reading, also, how does that prove assads involvement?

Gatling

Depp wrote: »

any links to them? wouldnt mind reading, also, how does that prove assads involvement?

Are you saying it was russian flying the same Aircraft as the Syrian Assad regeime.



Apologies mods for the off topic post just seen the thread split.

Depp

Gatling wrote: »

Are you saying it was russian flying the same Aircraft as the Syrian Assad regeime

obviously not...theres as much if not more convincing evidence that it was a false flag by the rebels as there is it was assad, why are you so convinced it was assad?

Peregrine

The chemical attack had been well and truly discussed and the thread started going off topic until the bus attack happened. Let's keep this thread to discussion on the bus attack and take discussion on which regime is responsible for the chemical attack and its aftereffects to the politics forums. Alright?

Mod

Beyondgone

I think Netherlands may have quoted the wrong poster there.. His reply appeared aimed at Gatling as opposed to the Mod? New user and all that?

Anyway. In the light of this attack, presumably by forces allied to IS, would a concerted effort by the US and Russia to attempt to bring this conflict to a speedy end to restore peace in Syria not be advisable? I know hundreds die daily, aside from this one attack, but is that endless loss of life not a reason to end this? Sit down, talk out a solution and then impose it?

Depp

Beyondgone wrote: »

I think Netherlands may have quoted the wrong poster there.. His reply appeared aimed at Gatling as opposed to the Mod? New user and all that?

Anyway. In the light of this attack, presumably by forces allied to IS, would a concerted effort by the US and Russia to attempt to bring this conflict to a speedy end to restore peace in Syria not be advisable? I know hundreds die daily, aside from this one attack, but is that endless loss of life not a reason to end this? Sit down, talk out a solution and then impose it?

I agree this needs sorting but theres no chance of talking things out with IS. Only solution is wiping them out

Beyondgone

Gatling wrote: »

Do you have a point other than America did this and America did that .

Noriaga (drugs trafficking​)
Saddam (used chemical weapons against Kurds , massacred more Kurds ,invaded Kuwait,) hung after trial by Iraqis
Gadaffi ( attacked his own population got killed by a Libyan )

Quite a short list really

Well I dunno Gatling. Let's look back. Quaddafi became "a bad man" when he mooted a pan African currency. Before that, he was a member of the good lads club. Hussein was backed to the hilt by the US until he fell out of favour. They somehow managed to ignore his prior transgressions until he wasn't a good lad on whatever they expected, suddenly, he was "a bad person". Hmm.

Now Assad, he seemed palatable enough to the US until the winds turned and they decided he was a despot. Odd that. Syria went from being stable, peaceful and prosperous to a bombed-out wasteland roamed by rebels and warlords in jig time. As did Iraq. As did Libya. Notice any pattern emerging?

Which brings us neatly to several busses getting blown to pieces..by roaming rebels and warlords. Because the US/Israel decided that the current (previously palatable) ruler was no longer palatable. For reasons known only to themselves.

Perhaps this pattern needs to be recognised, acknowledged and possibly called a halt to? Before more busses get bombed. And stuff.

Beyondgone

Depp wrote: »

I agree this needs sorting but theres no chance of talking things out with IS. Only solution is wiping them out

That works for me too, but the US appear disinterested in that solution. And who is anyone to argue with their logic?

A Little Pony

The rebels are Al Qaeda and should be stopped.

mikeoneilly

The dictators kept the whole place in check


It's chaos thanks to the US

Dubh Linn

Who do you honestly think carried out this atrocity?

Elmer Blooker

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Who do you honestly think carried out this atrocity?

Your question may not be directed at me but the buses were carrying Shia civilians. Is it not obvious that the attack was carried out by western backed jihadists? This attack was 100% sectarian.

user2011

A Little Pony wrote: »

The rebels are Al Qaeda and should be stopped.

And isis

A Little Pony

Makes me think the Gas attack was staged too.

Beyondgone

A Little Pony wrote: »

Makes me think the Gas attack was staged too.

It wasn't staged. It was just spun.

CoolHandBandit

A Little Pony wrote: »

Makes me think the Gas attack was staged too.

I don't believe a word of it tbh. Assad had zero to gain from it.

A Little Pony

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Makes me think the Gas attack was staged too.

I don't believe a word of it tbh. Assad had zero to gain from it.

Yeah, at first I was for it but looking at it now, I think the gas was on the ground and not from above. The US is lying about it. Assad had **** all to gain from that.

Depp

A Little Pony wrote: »

Yeah, at first I was for it but looking at it now, I think the gas was on the ground and not from above. The US is lying about it. Assad had **** all to gain from that.

whole thing reaks! starting to see a lot of reports from people on the ground that the populace are by and large in favour of assad, also a lot of dark stuff coming out of al nusra controlled areas about girls stopped from attending schools, music being banned, sharia law the only legal system in practice and shia's/christians being slaughtered...al nusra are far from the brave freedom fighters the us/media want us to believe they are!

CoolHandBandit

Depp wrote: »

whole thing reaks! starting to see a lot of reports from people on the ground that the populace are by and large in favour of assad, also a lot of dark stuff coming out of al nusra controlled areas about girls stopped from attending schools, music being banned, sharia law the only legal system in practice and shia's/christians being slaughtered...al nusra are far from the brave freedom fighters the us/media want us to believe they are!

Remember seeing some idiot on facebook a few months ago with a picture of one of the white helmets carrying some child from the rubble of a building and a caption along the lines of "Hero's do exist" :rolleyes: A lot of gullible people out there.

Depp

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Remember seeing some idiot on facebook a few months ago with a picture of one of the white helmets carrying some child from the rubble of a building and a caption along the lines of "Hero's do exist" :rolleyes: A lot of gullible people out there.

Dont even get me started on al-nusras propoganda corp

CoolHandBandit

Depp wrote: »

Dont even get me started on al-nusras propoganda corp

But but but Sky news told me they are heros?

gitzy16v

Dont know where else to post this but I thought it was an interesting article on Syria.......make of it what you will...
https://www.returnofkings.com/119115/6-questions-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask-about-syria

Depp

gitzy16v wrote: »

Dont know where else to post this but I thought it was an interesting article on Syria.......make of it what you will...
https://www.returnofkings.com/119115/6-questions-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask-about-syria

whole thing is a us backed islamist coup to topple a secular government, just like iraq, just like libya. What I cant figure out is what the us get out of it, is it just for the money spent on the military or is it something else, why are they trying so hard to topple secular governments in the region one by one and allowing islamism to take over?

gitzy16v

Depp wrote: »

whole thing is a us backed islamist coup to topple a secular government, just like iraq, just like libya. What I cant figure out is what the us get out of it, is it just for the money spent on the military or is it something else, why are they trying so hard to topple secular governments in the region one by one and allowing islamism to take over?

De-stabilise the EU???Keep the US as top dogs.
Fcuked if I know....awful shady,shadowy goings on.

rwbug

gitzy16v wrote: »

Dont know where else to post this but I thought it was an interesting article on Syria.......make of it what you will...
https://www.returnofkings.com/119115/6-questions-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask-about-syria

Weird to think that in Sept 2001 Al-Quaeda took down the Twin Towers yet only 16 years later the Syrian government actively fighting Al-Quaeda (HTS,Al-Nusra) is being opposed by The West.

gitzy16v

rwbug wrote: »

Weird to think that in Sept 2001 Al-Quaeda took down the Twin Towers yet only 16 years later the Syrian government actively fighting Al-Quaeda (HTS,Al-Nusra) is being opposed by The West.

None of it makes sense.....Assad is swapping civilians in rebel held areas for rebels with arms and prisoners but the media is saying he's killing civilians left,right and centre.
Somebody is getting stitched up badly.
Id love for someone to come up with a better plan for who's gonna run Syria once Assad gets removed,which is looking more and more likely.
He's a bad bad man,no doubt but the alternative looks a whole lot worse,nobody has given a better alternative,there seems to be no plan other than remove Assad

Depp

gitzy16v wrote: »

None of it makes sense.....Assad is swapping civilians in rebel held areas for rebels with arms and prisoners but the media is saying he's killing civilians left,right and centre.
Somebody is getting stitched up badly.
Id love for someone to come up with a better plan for who's gonna run Syria once Assad gets removed,which is looking more and more likely.
He's a bad bad man,no doubt but the alternative looks a whole lot worse,nobody has given a better alternative,there seems to be no plan other than remove Assad

At this stage the choice is assad or islamist fundamentalist terror groups. but for some reason everyone wants to go with the terrorists

buzzerxx

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Who do you honestly think carried out this atrocity?

CIA AND MOSSAD

Mountainsandh

wakka12 wrote: »

Wow, its just so strange when you think about how much humanity is developing in other ways but then theres so much stuff like this happening around the world too, may as well be 1900

Post of the day for me.
You know I can't help it, even though it's really silly, but since the start of all these troubles, terror attacks etc... I have been thinking like a child "it's not fair, we were doing so well".

And we were, in my opinion, and from my limited Western perspective.
People are turning to science more and religion less, and to me that was another age of enlightenment.
People were trying to avoid wars, violence, and damage the planet less, while trying to fix previous damage, and improve lives not just for themselves, but also globally.

I know we can all be cynical and say : "yeah right, not so".
But it kind of is, so, a bit.
Except that now, the next idiotic wave of humanity is wrecking it all off again.

This new attack is so vile. These people were waiting ages to evacuate from what I gather. If it is indeed from rebels, suicide guy killed 4 of their own too, who were guarding the buses.
I'd wait a bit before taking any news source as fact though.