9/11 - the real truth

Dubh Linn

I don't understand all these conspiracy theories.

The real truth of 9/11 was, 4 hijacked aircraft were flown into the WTC, Pentagon and a Pennsylvanian field.

That is the truth.

What makes people think different?

Is it just because of the shock of it all?

Could something like it ever happen again?

What are the most common conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

The bottom line, they are all UNTRUE.

Noddyholder

I love you OP.

Jobs OXO

And in other news I did the mother of all farts this morning. Guess a dinner of refried beans and sauerkraut with a 6 pack of Guinness really does mess with the aul gullet

pjohnson

Its was the LIZARD PEOPLE. Dont believe the FAKE NEWS. Mass Media is all LIES.



etc. etc. etc.

Dubh Linn

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

tomwaterford

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

Your going well kidd

Dubh Linn

Can somebody answer my question? This is by far the most pathetic conspiracy theory I've ever come across.

It was al-Qaeda, nobody else!

So why do people come up with these unfounded theories?

Muppet Man

You'll find the truth all in its own subforum....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1489

Have fun!

Muppet man

Dubh Linn

I still don't get it...

tomwaterford

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I still don't get it...

I
Have
Confused

pjohnson

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I still don't get it...

Open your mind man. Release yourself from the shackles of the Illuminati controlled media.

El Weirdo

Jobs OXO wrote: »

And in other news I did the mother of all farts this morning. Guess a dinner of refried beans and sauerkraut with a 6 pack of Guinness really does mess with the aul gullet

You fart through your throat?

D0NNELLY

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I still don't get it...

Doesn't say anywhere that you have to.

pjohnson

El Weirdo wrote: »

You fart through your throat?

This thread is full of confessions

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Can somebody answer my question? This is by far the most pathetic conspiracy theory I've ever come across.

It was al-Qaeda, nobody else!

So why do people come up with these unfounded theories?

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I still don't get it...

Everybody knows it was Mossad with the help of Sinn Fein & some auld bloke on the dole here who was living with a separated mother of 11 & working at the same time , We all know there involved as were MI19 & some arab that sells dodgy camels.

Nabber

How do you know the truth? you can't even get the date right. Happened on 11/9

Dubh Linn

Two 767s, two 757s, operated by AA and UA, which is in hot water at the mo anyway, crashed into four locations killing thousands. That's the real truth.

Noddyholder

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Two 767s, two 757s, operated by AA and UA, which is in hot water at the mo anyway, crashed into four locations killing thousands. That's the real truth.

Are you trying to say hot water brought down them planes

Dubh Linn

Noddyholder wrote: »

Are you trying to say hot water brought down them planes

Have you not heard of the man being dragged off the United flight?

Anyway, I thought that B767-200's were quite small planes that could cause a lot of damage.

They were just 767s for God's sake.

Your Face

It was retaliation for Wrestlmania 7.
Know your history sheeple.

purple hands

Free your mind and your ass will follow

The kingdom of heaven is within

darkdubh

It was the Jews wot did it. Conspiracy theorists generally blame them for everything.

CoolHandBandit

First iv'e heard of it.

Samaris

Huh, I was just mulling over a similar post about why do people believe such ridiculous stuff in the face of all available evidence. I was looking at it from a climate change point of view, but it works as well for 9/11, Sandy Hook, vaccinations, evolution, etc. It was the same thirty, forty years ago for smoking and probably the ozone layer.

There are patterns, if you'll excuse my going on a wider viewpoint of all of these "contentious" subjects. They're roughly split in two, science-based [evolution, vaccination, climate change, smoking] and non-science/social/political [9/11, Sandy Hook, anything being called a "false flag".

Frankly, the science-based ones interest me more, but the political ones are more relevant to the topic. Two driving factors work across both - people don't want to believe it (that something like Sandy Hook or 9/11 could hurt ordinary people like them, that sometimes, no matter what precautions you take or how good a parent or person you are, bad stuff can happen to you and your family) and people in positions of influence lie (which has reached a peak with an outpouring of "fake news"). And as we've all seen in the last year or so, confirmation bias is strong, we prefer to believe what we read if we agree with it.

Eventually, it does have to lead to a very stretched view of reality and a glorious ability to ignore logic and the huge organisational difficulties of producing X effect with no-one blowing a whistle on it.

Of course, it's pretty important to acknowledge that we all have unfounded beliefs and ridiculous foibles that do not stand up to the reality of the situation - I have a totally unreasonable phobia of crabs, jellyfish and scorpions, ignoring that I've never encountered any scorpions and crabs have never harmed me. Others are absolutely convinced of every word of their religious texts. Other phobias, half-remembered lessons from school that were taken up wrong, etcetera.

It is also just possible that a push towards individualism in western nations has something to do with it too. It went through "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and has, the last few years, settled firmly into "everyone has the right to their own facts". Everyone does have the right to their own opinion, sure, but is it so much to ask that legislation is written on the basis of objective facts rather than opinions?

I suppose certain facts like the hijackers passports surviving a crash that had the intensity to bring down a skyscraper with slightly charred edges and there being no actual undisputable visual footage of a plane hitting the pentagon despite it being one of the most surveyed buildings in the world gives credence to such theories existing

Canis Lupus

Look some people on the internet said that jet fuel couldn't melt steel or something like that therefore it was a controlled demolition. What's not to believe?

corner of hells

Samaris wrote: »

Huh, I was just mulling over a similar post about why do people believe such ridiculous stuff in the face of all available evidence. I was looking at it from a climate change point of view, but it works as well for 9/11, Sandy Hook, vaccinations, evolution, etc. It was the same thirty, forty years ago for smoking and probably the ozone layer.

There are patterns, if you'll excuse my going on a wider viewpoint of all of these "contentious" subjects. They're roughly split in two, science-based [evolution, vaccination, climate change, smoking] and non-science/social/political [9/11, Sandy Hook, anything being called a "false flag".

Frankly, the science-based ones interest me more, but the political ones are more relevant to the topic. Two driving factors work across both - people don't want to believe it (that something like Sandy Hook or 9/11 could hurt ordinary people like them, that sometimes, no matter what precautions you take or how good a parent or person you are, bad stuff can happen to you and your family) and people in positions of influence lie (which has reached a peak with an outpouring of "fake news"). And as we've all seen in the last year or so, confirmation bias is strong, we prefer to believe what we read if we agree with it.

Eventually, it does have to lead to a very stretched view of reality and a glorious ability to ignore logic and the huge organisational difficulties of producing X effect with no-one blowing a whistle on it.

Of course, it's pretty important to acknowledge that we all have unfounded beliefs and ridiculous foibles that do not stand up to the reality of the situation - I have a totally unreasonable phobia of crabs, jellyfish and scorpions, ignoring that I've never encountered any scorpions and crabs have never harmed me. Others are absolutely convinced of every word of their religious texts. Other phobias, half-remembered lessons from school that were taken up wrong, etcetera.

It is also just possible that a push towards individualism in western nations has something to do with it too. It went through "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and has, the last few years, settled firmly into "everyone has the right to their own facts". Everyone does have the right to their own opinion, sure, but is it so much to ask that legislation is written on the basis of objective facts rather than opinions?

If I rearrange the letters in your name , I come up with the word "airmass".

Akrasia

Hey op. 2002 called, they want their thread back

Samaris

corner of hells wrote: »

If I rearrange the letters in your name , I come up with the word "airmass".

Damn, aerofoiled again.

Richard Hillman

I find the pentagon one strange.

The white house is not too far from the Pentagon. It's genuinely about 30 to 60 seconds away on a jet plane.

It sticks out like a sore thumb and has a massive open area in front of it, how it would be visible on a clear day (of which it was).

Why on earth did they go for the Pentagon and not the white house? I know the pentagon is probably strategically more important but The White House would have been bigger. Strange.

biko

Yes
No
No
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Raging_Ninja

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I find the pentagon one strange.

The white house is not too far from the Pentagon. It's genuinely about 30 to 60 seconds away on a jet plane.

It sticks out like a sore thumb and has a massive open area in front of it, how it would be visible on a clear day (of which it was).

Why on earth did they go for the Pentagon and not the white house? I know the pentagon is probably strategically more important but The White House would have been bigger. Strange.

They reckon the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was going to target either the White House or the Senate.

This was a coordinated attack, so the planes were all assigned targets which 3 of the 4 managed to strike.

Pac1Man

Pizzagate

storker

Samaris wrote: »

There are patterns, if you'll excuse my going on a wider viewpoint of all of these "contentious" subjects. They're roughly split in two, science-based [evolution, vaccination, climate change, smoking] and non-science/social/political [9/11, Sandy Hook, anything being called a "false flag".

The trouble is that patterns are seen by the viewer, and are not actually proof of anything. Like the guys who looked at Mars through telescopes years ago and saw canals that weren't really there. Or that optical illusion with a grid of grey squares where you see spots at the corners that aren't really there either.

I find that conspiracy theorists set the bar very low for what comprises proof of their pet theory and impossibly high for anything that disagrees with it. I've researched a few of these to my own satisfaction and found that the evidence usually boils down to innuendo, bad/misunderstood science and a lot of 2+2=5, and flying in the face of Occam's Razor.

Could 9/11 have been an inside job? I suppose it could have, but I don't believe it was. If someone actually produces some real proof I'll change my position, but for now I've wasted far too much time reading articles and watching videos that claimed to be proof and turned out to be nothing of the sort.

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose certain facts like the hijackers passports surviving a crash that had the intensity to bring down a skyscraper with slightly charred edges and there being no actual undisputable visual footage of a plane hitting the pentagon despite it being one of the most surveyed buildings in the world gives credence to such theories existing

These are good examples of the kind of innuendo that fans the conspiracy flames (no pun intended). OK, the hijackers passports survived, but that means nothing unless we know how many other people's passports survived, or what other documents, driving licences and personal effects survived, because being on internal flights within the US, not all passengers are likely to have required passports anyway.

The collapse phenomenon has been gone into more than enough, but from my research, there seems to be a lot of disregarding of the Twin Towers' unusual construction.

The lack of footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon is unsprising given that it's not a location where anyone is likely to be filming anything, unlike Manhattan. Note also that the footage of the second pane hitting is much better than the footage of the first, because at that point there were already lots of cameras pointing up.

(Just pointing out that even good questions about an event don't comprise proof of skulduggery. I'm not about to get pulled into a 9/11 debate.)

Paleblood

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I don't understand all these conspiracy theories.

The real truth of 9/11 was, 4 hijacked aircraft were flown into the WTC, Pentagon and a Pennsylvanian field.

That is the truth.

What makes people think different?

Is it just because of the shock of it all?

Could something like it ever happen again?

What are the most common conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

The bottom line, they are all UNTRUE.

First off, I don't buy into those theories either.

However you began this thread by saying you don't understand the theories, then you ask is there any proof of them, before eventually arriving at the conclusion that they're untrue.

Can you see what's wrong with that approach?

weldoninhio

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

If there was proof it wouldn't be a theory.

Raging_Ninja

weldoninhio wrote: »

If there was proof it wouldn't be a theory.

No, it'd be an hypothesis. Theories in the strict scientific meaning actually do have evidence to back then up. Conspiracy theories, don't.

Turtyturd

I'm not familiar with this case op, could you fill me in?

Barry Badrinath

Ive never heard of 9/11 OP can you give me a quick summary and what are the chances of this never happening again?

The_Valeyard

Are you the new Kneemos?

Paleblood

Everyone remembers where they were on the 9th of November.

darkdubh

For an insight into the mind of a conspiracy theorist look no further than this headcase.

sjb25

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I don't understand all these conspiracy theories.

The real truth of 9/11 was, 4 hijacked aircraft were flown into the WTC, Pentagon and a Pennsylvanian field.

That is the truth.

What makes people think different?

Is it just because of the shock of it all?

Could something like it ever happen again?

What are the most common conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

The bottom line, they are all UNTRUE.

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bazz26

Paging Jim Corr.

KungPao

We all know Hitler did it.

It's the only theory that makes sense.

Beyondgone

Odd that the pentagon "plane" hit the accounts department obliterating any paper trail for the 2.3 billion that was "missing" from their accounts..and only that department..

or that wtc 7 contained all the papers pertaining to the Enron fiddle, sadly all lost in the collapse, a result of that plane hitting it.

No..wait...

Nah.. just silly conspiracy theorist nonsense.

Canis Lupus

Beyondgone wrote: »

Odd that the pentagon "plane" hit the accounts department obliterating any paper trail for the 2.3 billion that was "missing" from their accounts..and only that department..

or that wtc 7 contained all the papers pertaining to the Enron fiddle, sadly all lost in the collapse, a result of that plane hitting it.

No..wait...

Nah.. just silly conspiracy theorist nonsense.

endacl

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Lots and lots of really stupid people who don't understand they they are stupid have access to the greatest communication tool in history, and other really stupid people who don't understand that they are stupid join in = conspiracy theories.

kneemos

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I'm simply asking a question - why are there so many conspiracy theories?

Is there any proof?

The interweb has revealed the amount of gullible/unstable folk we have in society.

QED.

Yourself isit

There's plenty of reason to doubt the full official story. That said there's no firm counter narrative.

It's interesting that the term conspiracy theory gets such a bad rap. Conspiracies happen all the time. A good number of wars have historically depended on them.

storker

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's interesting that the term conspiracy theory gets such a bad rap.

I find cock-up theories to be much more compelling.