Another rape and grooming gang busted in the UK

Manny89

Twenty-nine people have appeared in court as part of an inquiry into child sex abuse and neglect in Huddersfield.

The alleged offences took place in the town between 2004 and 2011 and involved girls aged between 11 and 17.

Twenty-seven men appeared before magistrates accused of offences against 18 people, including rape and trafficking. Two women are charged with child neglect.

In all the 29 defendants face a total of more than 170 charges.

Protestors shouted abuse as the defendants arrived at the town's court.


One defendant, Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 34, is charged with 54 separate counts, including 21 counts of rape.

Other charges faced by the accused include trafficking with intent to engage in sexual exploitation, sexual activity and supply of drugs.

Most of the defendants came from Huddersfield, but others came from Bradford, Dewsbury, Dudley, Manchester and Sheffield.

They appeared in groups before district Judge Michael Fanning during a lengthy court sitting and are next due to appear at Leeds Crown Court on 11 May.

I made the mistake of mocking the "Muslamic ray guns" chap years ago. What did he know? An edl, drunken northern working class chav?

And turns out he was right. Terribly sad tales of abuse that the UK ignored.

Systemsdarken

All religions that claim they have a special knowledge from god about how we should behave are bull****. Islam included with Judaism and Christianity. Pedophilia and organized pedophile rings are not unique to Islam. We know this well in Ireland.
If someone has evidence of muslamic ray guns I'd like to see it peer reviewed. (Irony warning)

Pkiernan

I wonder if they will be charged with racist hate crimes.
Probably not since as we all know it's simply not possible that they're racist.

hytrogen

These aren't even recognised Muslims, more like rejects from their own society and home countries for being outlandish, brash and dishonest. It's a sad brush to paint but the majority of those economic migrants coming across the Med are quite the same. We see how the jungle camp became it's own outlawed society, hence why it was shut down.
Acknowledging the true minority refugees fleeing conflict and persecution, but the majority of rest of them are their societies rejects unfortunately bringing with them their foul ways.

Pkiernan wrote:

I wonder if they will be charged with racist hate crimes. Probably not since as we all know it's simply not possible that they're racist.

No sure you have to be a pink skinhead to earn that title

ancapailldorcha

Manny89 wrote: »

And turns out he was right.

Clearly, that's the important thing in this case.

Ralf and Florian

The guys name in that link sounds Sikh to me. No denying though there sems to be a major issue with these grooming gangs of mainly Pakistani/Bengali extraction, theres also been a lot of cases involving Somalis. I remember reading an article about this issue in The Sunday Times ten years ago, it's been ongoing for years but it seems only to have become widely known after the Rotherham case.

biko

Great song altogether

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

Hande hoche!

biko wrote: »

Great song altogether

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

Nowadays Press TV is banned in the UK.

Annasopra

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Clearly, that's the important thing in this case.

Of course it is. Nothing to do with the kids no. We just have to prove all rayguns in Europe are Muslamics.

CoolHandBandit

Sick fcukers. Hope they all die screaming for their mammies.

Tom Mann Centuria

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

The guys name in that link sounds Sikh to me.

Singh is absolutely a Sikh name so you could be right.

myshirt

My question is this:

Do liberals have something to answer for here?

To what extent did police being afraid of (or police being restrained from) the risk of being labeled racist or xenophobic have an impact here? The volume of kids defiled here is too high for me to support any contention that the systems and processes of the police force and our society are set up to catch these things early enough.

Are we gone too PC?

Frankly, this is disgusting. Ffs. What evil b#stards. You do not find this in other cultures, this familial gang rape practice where fathers cousins brothers all go out and rape young boys and girls together. Its becoming way too common in the news now, including more instances of bacha bazi aswell. What the hell is going on?

ancapailldorcha

myshirt wrote: »

My question is this:

Do liberals have something to answer for here?

Nope. The people who are responsible for public safety certainly do though. Blaming liberals is like blaming Nigel Farage for Jo Cox's murder. Completely ridiculous and polarising.

myshirt wrote: »

Are we gone too PC?

Anything to suggest that whole cultures have gone "too PC?" Trump was elected despite saying appalling things about Muslims, Mexicans and Women. Brexit was brought about partly because of scaremongering about waves of Muslims possibly immigrating to the UK. If anything, I'm more inclined to have a go at the so-called anti-PC crowd.

myshirt wrote: »

Frankly, this is disgusting. Ffs. What evil b#stards. You do not find this in other cultures, this familial gang rape practice where fathers cousins brothers all go out and rape young boys and girls together. Its becoming way too common in the news now, including more instances of bacha bazi aswell. What the hell is going on?

No but you're posting on a website based in a country where the state colluded with the Catholic Church to protect paedophiles.

Ralf and Florian

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nope. The people who are responsible for public safety certainly do though. Blaming liberals is like blaming Nigel Farage for Jo Cox's murder. Completely ridiculous and polarising.



Anything to suggest that whole cultures have gone "too PC?" Trump was elected despite saying appalling things about Muslims, Mexicans and Women. Brexit was brought about partly because of scaremongering about waves of Muslims possibly immigrating to the UK. If anything, I'm more inclined to have a go at the so-called anti-PC crowd.



No but you're posting on a website based in a country where the state colluded with the Catholic Church to protect paedophiles.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

MysticMonk

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nope. The people who are responsible for public safety certainly do though. Blaming liberals is like blaming Nigel Farage for Jo Cox's murder. Completely ridiculous and polarising.



Anything to suggest that whole cultures have gone "too PC?" Trump was elected despite saying appalling things about Muslims, Mexicans and Women. Brexit was brought about partly because of scaremongering about waves of Muslims possibly immigrating to the UK. If anything, I'm more inclined to have a go at the so-called anti-PC crowd.



No but you're posting on a website based in a country where the state colluded with the Catholic Church to protect paedophiles.

What appalling things did trump say about Muslims, Mexicans and women?

And then tell me what it's got to do with Muslim child rapists in the UK?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Manny89 wrote: »

I made the mistake of mocking the "Muslamic ray guns" chap years ago. What did he know? An edl, drunken northern working class chav?

And turns out he was right. Terribly sad tales of abuse that the UK ignored.

Just to balance things, there have organised groups of Catholic men systematically raping children too, ya know...

Your Face

Very little on the welfare of the victims.
As always.

MysticMonk

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Just to balance things, there have organised groups of Catholic men systematically raping children too, ya know...

Have these groups been in court lately?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

myshirt wrote: »

My question is this:

Do liberals have something to answer for here?

No. Stop tyrying to shoe-horn. As I poitned out in a previous post, this is nothing to do with religion.

To what extent did police being afraid of (or police being restrained from) the risk of being labeled racist or xenophobic have an impact here? The volume of kids defiled here is too high for me to support any contention that the systems and processes of the police force and our society are set up to catch these things early enough.

None. You haven;t even managed to create a link here.

Are we gone too PC?

Absolutely - but this didn't happen because of PC.

Frankly, this is disgusting. Ffs. What evil b#stards. You do not find this in other cultures, this familial gang rape practice where fathers cousins brothers all go out and rape young boys and girls together. Its becoming way too common in the news now, including more instances of bacha bazi aswell. What the hell is going on?

Oh, yes - yes you do.

The social angle isn't liberal, it's conservative. It's the belief that a someone has thaht they are better than you, more moral than you and therefore have the right to do with you what with and to you. And if you ever speak out against them, society will ignore you and punish you even further because THEY are more "upstanding" and therefore can not be questioned.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MysticMonk wrote: »

Have these groups been in court lately?

All the time - do you ever read the news?

A Little Pony

Saw Tommy Robinson mention this going on years ago, people said it was just a mad thing to say, and yet here we are, it absolutely is happening. He seems to be right consistently.

ancapailldorcha

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I never made that claim.

MysticMonk wrote: »

What appalling things did trump say about Muslims, Mexicans and women?

And then tell me what it's got to do with Muslim child rapists in the UK?

The question was asking if we had become too PC. I think the two examples I gave prove otherwise.

donegal.

haven't read much on this case but is there any evidence so far to suggest they were muslim ?
the only name i've heard is definitely not muslim

Sofiztikated

donegal. wrote: »

haven't read much on this case but is there any evidence so far to suggest they were muslim ?
the only name i've heard is definitely not muslim

They're brownish, and have funny names.

Therefore, muslim.

Will I Am Not

donegal. wrote: »

haven't read much on this case but is there any evidence so far to suggest they were muslim ?
the only name i've heard is definitely not muslim

You'll find most of their names here

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/29-men-women-court-after-12886770

donegal.

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

You'll find most of their names here

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/29-men-women-court-after-12886770

theres a fair amount of Mohammeds in there

biko

I'd say these gangs might be all muslim but that's not why the have raped local girls.
It's probably a) because they can and b) because they think less of white girls than MENA girls.
That said there have been some non-whites also raped so there are variations.

Canis Lupus

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Singh is absolutely a Sikh name so you could be right.

The names are easily found online. It's a mix of sikh and probably muslim names.

A Little Pony

biko wrote: »

I'd say these gangs might be all muslim but that's not why the have raped local girls.
It's probably a) because they can and b) because they think less of white girls than MENA girls.
That said there have been some non-whites also raped so there are variations.

Not aware of how Muslim countries treat women and women's rights?

Day Lewin

Manny89 wrote: »

I made the mistake of mocking the "Muslamic ray guns" chap years ago. What did he know? An edl, drunken northern working class chav?

And turns out he was right. Terribly sad tales of abuse that the UK ignored.

It wasn't ignored in England. Far from it. How do you think they got them into court?
The British Press have been talking about this case for years.
It is a sensitive subject and you can't convict without evidence - you can't even prosecute without evidence.

Yeah, they were a shower of scumbags. And Muslims don't approve of this conduct any more than you or I do. So steady on, and less of the racist, anti-religious kneejerks, please.

Ralf and Florian

Seems to be a pattern here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3894200/Three-members-Somali-sex-gang-trafficked-raped-subjected-British-schoolgirls-violent-horrible-abuse-jailed-32-years.html

Can someone please explain what their supposed religion has to do with any of it?

donegal.

bubblypop wrote: »

Can someone please explain what their supposed religion has to do with any of it?

ah come on now ? its obviously the same as when a catholic does something horrendous its your fault

Ralf and Florian

bubblypop wrote: »

Can someone please explain what their supposed religion has to do with any of it?

The Islamic worlds ambivalent take on underage sex might have something to do with it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

The Conservative worlds ambivalent take on underage sex might have something to do with it.

FYP

Widdershins

myshirt wrote: »

Its becoming way too common in the news now, including more instances of bacha bazi aswell. What the hell is going on?

Ugh, why did I go and google the meaning of bacha bazi

Ralf and Florian

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

The Islamic worlds ambivalent take on underage sex might have something to do with it.

And which part of the Islamic world made them drink and take drugs?

Widdershins

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No but you're posting on a website based in a country where the state colluded with the Catholic Church to protect paedophiles.

And now at last those evil scumbags are being held accountable. Too late to save their victims but it is being talked about all over the world. In the same way anything like it in other communities should be talked about so maybe it can be prevented in future.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Widdershins wrote: »

And now at last those evil scumbags are being held accountable. Too late to save their victims but it is being talked about all over the world. In the same way anything like it in other communities should be talked about so maybe it can be prevented in future.

Very true - but who many people potrayed it widely as bring endemic - or 'ambivalent' to quote another postet - of Catholuc Irish society?

Irish Praetorian

bubblypop wrote: »

And which part of the Islamic world made them drink and take drugs?

Presumably parts they didn't care about, it's almost as if we have an excuse to not consider them 'proper' Muslims...which means there isn't a sexual violence problem YAY!

Yourself isit

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Nowadays Press TV is banned in the UK.

Really? How free.

Yourself isit

Day Lewin wrote: »

It wasn't ignored in England. Far from it. How do you think they got them into court?
The British Press have been talking about this case for years.
It is a sensitive subject and you can't convict without evidence - you can't even prosecute without evidence.

Yeah, they were a shower of scumbags. And Muslims don't approve of this conduct any more than you or I do. So steady on, and less of the racist, anti-religious kneejerks, please.

It waa in fact ignored for years. In particular the Rotherham investigations were stymied by politically correct local councillors and police.

Irish Praetorian

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Presumably parts they didn't care about, it's almost as if we have an excuse to not consider them 'proper' Muslims...which means there isn't a sexual violence problem YAY!

Oh so your assertion is they rape because of the parts of their religion they care about, but drinking and taking drugs is because they don't care about other parts?
Riiiight!!

Maybe religion has nothing to do with it. Rape happens all the time. It's almost as if you're giving them an excuse for their behaviour...

Ralf and Florian

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

The Islamic worlds ambivalent take on underage sex might have something to do with it.

As opposed to the Catholic world's ambivalent take on underage sex..?

Irish Praetorian

bubblypop wrote: »

Oh so your assertion is they rape because of the parts of their religion they care about, but drinking and taking drugs is because they don't care about other parts?
Riiiight!!

Maybe religion has nothing to do with it. Rape happens all the time. It's almost as if you're giving them an excuse for their behaviour...

Shocker - People selectively interpreting their religion, taking and using parts they can benefit from and caring not so much for the parts that they can't use; such an utterly inconceivable prospect...

But no, maybe it's as you say, religion has nothing to do with it as presumably it has nothing to do people blowing themselves up in the name of religion, they're simply acting out some other geopolitical concerns and are too stupid to realize it. Heaven forfend the ridiculous possibility that it might have something to do with it.

Yourself isit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As opposed to the Catholic world's ambivalent take on underage sex..?

You really hate the Brazilians huh? Clearly it's not equivalent. The priests were breaking both canon and actual law.

Anyway I agree this wasn't all muslim. It was however racist.

Yourself isit

Yourself isit wrote: »

You really hate the Brazilians huh? Clearly it's not equivalent. The priests were breaking both canon and actual law.

Anyway I agree this wasn't all muslim. It was however racist.

The Brazilians ...?

Irish Praetorian

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Shocker - People selectively interpreting their religion, taking and using parts they can benefit from and caring not so much for the parts that they can't use; such an utterly inconceivable prospect...

But no, maybe it's as you say, religion has nothing to do with it as presumably it has nothing to do people blowing themselves up in the name of religion, they're simply acting out some other geopolitical concerns and are too stupid to realize it. Heaven forfend the ridiculous possibility that it might have something to do with it.

Why then don't all Muslims rape?
Why do people rape that are not Muslim?

It's unbelievable that people are giving rapists an excuse for rape.

ceadaoin.

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

The Islamic worlds ambivalent take on underage sex might have something to do with it.

Honestly, I think it is more to do with attitudes towards "white girls" from many in the Asian community in the UK, not so much religion. They are seen as easy pickings, asking for it because of how they dress or because they drink or take drugs etc. doesn't help that a lot of the authorities also have this attitude, especially towards poorer girls or girls in the care system who are already troubled. They aren't seen as deserving of help, only blame

I posted on another thread a couple of weeks ago about just how many of these grooming rings that have been uncovered so far, it's in double figures and probably only the tip of the iceberg. These girls are being failed on a huge scale

Feminists aren't a hive mind. Many have condemned it. Of course, they are then accused of islamophobia and no platformed so you probably don't get to hear about it

Irish Praetorian

bubblypop wrote: »

Why then don't all Muslims rape?
Why do people rape that are not Muslim?

It's unbelievable that people are giving rapists an excuse for rape.

I take it we're doing the 'lets make statements as ridiculous as I think yours are' thing?

If you want to go excuse rapists I suggest you look to your own arguments, goodness knows how many years local government in places like Rotherham spent so concerned with not appearing racist that they would simply ignore accusations of rape.

Snickers Man

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Singh is absolutely a Sikh name so you could be right.

You know Sikhs aren't Muslims, right?