Syria Again

el diablo

gitzy16v wrote: »

That I didnt know...every days a school day!!

It's extremely toxic and potent. Even touching a victim with your bare hands is enough to cause an extremely unpleasant death.

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

It seems putin​ gave a speech earlier saying he had information from various sources saying America was planning a false flag event somewhere is Syria and that the outskirts of Damascus would be bombed by America and now wants the UN to investigate ,

Just happens after autopsy results show Sarin gas was used in last week's chemical weapons attack on civilians ,

A very slow reaction from Russia laden with conspiracy theories

surely thats a good thing that Russia want a UN investigation....I dont recall the US asking for UN intervention,they just went ahead and bombed Syria on a whim...with little to no proof of who was responsible for the attack

Where did you get confirmation of sarin gas being used?

Gatling

gitzy16v wrote: »

surely thats a good thing that Russia want a UN investigation....I dont recall the US asking for UN intervention,

Remember when russia bombed a civilian aid convoy a few months back ,they said let's have a UN investigation but that investigation cant mention​ the Syrian regime ,air strikes , russia , civilian, so basically we might want an investigation as long as we're or Assad is blamed ,
What did the UN do when flight MH17 was shot down or Crimea invaded and annexed ,
Abso****inglutely nothing .

Putin has screwed himself and now has nowhere to go ,

Trump totally unexpectedly threw down the Gauntlet and putin been president of a relatively regional power with nuclear weapons has two options back down or put it to the Americans ,

And it was Turkish Doctor's​ who carried out the autopsy​'s on the victims who confirmed Sarin Gas .

Which will likely get more conspiracies replys.

But let's look back at the week Sarin Gas dropped on civilians , putin claims they attacked a weapons dump which accidentally set off Sarin gas (not so easy apparently).
Then it was it wasn't Assad ,
Then we don't believe they have chemical weapons but no actual denial ,
Cruise missles strikes .
Followed by threats from Assad and putin and iran ,
Which brought the we will bomb again if you Gas a single baby or drop a barrel bomb on civilians ,
Now putin is crying for a UN investigation .

Sounds like a cheap straight to cable TV movie

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Remember when russia bombed a civilian aid convoy a few months back ,they said let's have a UN investigation but that investigation cant mention​ the Syrian regime ,air strikes , russia , civilian, so basically we might want an investigation as long as we're or Assad is blamed ,
What did the UN do when flight MH17 was shot down or Crimea invaded and annexed ,
Abso****inglutely nothing .

Putin has screwed himself and now has nowhere to go ,

Trump totally unexpectedly threw down the Gauntlet and putin been president of a relatively regional power with nuclear weapons has two options back down or put it to the Americans ,

And it was Turkish Doctor's​ who carried out the autopsy​'s on the victims who confirmed Sarin Gas .

Which will likely get more conspiracies replys.

But let's look back at the week Sarin Gas dropped on civilians , putin claims they attacked a weapons dump which accidentally set off Sarin gas (not so easy apparently).
Then it was it wasn't Assad ,
Then we don't believe they have chemical weapons but no actual denial ,
Cruise missles strikes .
Followed by threats from Assad and putin and iran ,
Which brought the we will bomb again if you Gas a single baby or drop a barrel bomb on civilians ,
Now putin is crying for a UN investigation .

Sounds like a cheap straight to cable TV movie

Explosion Gatling...your just wheeling out all the propaganda being fed to you.


You think Turkish doctors are an unbiased source...dont make me laugh.

The Un is there for a reason,maybe the did nothing because there was nothing for them to do,you cant just keep discrediting everybody who doest agree with your Team America world police view...America should not be trying to rule the world.
To me it looks like the Russians are the only ones going through the correct channels(THE UN) and everything else is sneaky,sly underhanded boll0x to further their own interests.

Gatling

gitzy16v wrote: »

Explosion Gatling...your just wheeling out all the propaganda being fed to you.


You think Turkish doctors are an unbiased source...dont make me laugh.

The Un is there for a reason,maybe the did nothing because there was nothing for them to do,you cant just keep discrediting everybody who doest agree

you cant just keep discrediting everybody who doest agree with your opinion seems to be the obvious thing ,

Let me guess you might accept a Moscow doctors results ,
Funny when the UN investigated several accounts of chemical weapons been used against Assad regime forces most proved negative yet assad doctors claim other wise ,

We'll just have to wait and see what happens next it's either a back down or put up a fight

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

you cant just keep discrediting everybody who doest agree with your opinion seems to be the obvious thing ,

Let me guess you might accept a Moscow doctors results ,
Funny when the UN investigated several accounts of chemical weapons been used against Assad regime forces most proved negative yet assad doctors claim other wise ,

We'll just have to wait and see what happens next it's either a back down or put up a fight

Not a bloody hope of it:pac::pac: they would be just as bad as a Turkish doc but you only believe what suits your agenda,whereas im happy to take news in from all sides of the conflict and make my own conclusions as to whats happening.

Ive never denied that Assad used gas attacks in the past and Im not denying he did this time either but its not as clear-cut as you try make it out..

Cheerful Spring

It's a false flag event. Why would Russia and Syria launch a chemical attack? They know this would be headline news. Syria gained nothing from carrying out this attack.

Just like Putin said rogue parties did this to cause problems for Assad.

gitzy16v

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It's a false flag event. Why would Russia and Syria launch a chemical attack? They know this would be headline news. Syria gained nothing from carrying out this attack.

Just like Putin said rogue parties did this to cause problems for Assad.

They would because they can...seeing as the US backed off.
False flag??? We just dont know.
Yes Syria gained nothing,in fact its reflected extremely badly on Assad.
The smell off this is pungent,we are all much more knowledgeable now than we were when the WMD in Iraq scenario was shoved down our throats by the media all those years ago.We all know now that was pure lies.
I dont think that Assad gassed the civilians/rebels/terrorists this time but his got previous,it just doesnt make sense,why do it,why bring heat on himself a few days after the heat was off.
Its America,they are the sneakiest of lads in all this carry on...not to be trusted but then again neither are the rest of them.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It's a false flag event. Why would Russia and Syria launch a chemical attack

Why wouldn't they exactly they did it before and after a red line was drawn several years ago what happened nothing,
what did they expect this time nothing would happen but nobody expected Trump to do what he did and highly likely will do again Trump went from Putin's puppet to bending​ him over the proverbial table

Cheerful Spring

gitzy16v wrote: »

They would because they can...seeing as the US backed off.
False flag??? We just dont know.
Yes Syria gained nothing,in fact its reflected extremely badly on Assad.
The smell off this is pungent,we are all much more knowledgeable now than we were when the WMD in Iraq scenario was shoved down our throats by the media all those years ago.We all know now that was pure lies.
I dont think that Assad gassed the civilians/rebels/terrorists this time but his got previous,it just doesnt make sense,why do it,why bring heat on himself a few days after the heat was off.
Its America,they are the sneakiest of lads in all this carry on...not to be trusted but then again neither are the rest of them.

It don't make sense you right. This was not a strategic move where hes army would gain ground and move in and declare victory, No strategic goal here.

Iran and Hezbolloh fighters are on the ground fighting for Assad. Israel and America Saudi Arabia and Turkey don't want Assad to stay and they fear Iran. I would not be surprised if it was one of the countries i listed carried out this attack.

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Why wouldn't they exactly they did it before and after a red line was drawn several years ago what happened nothing,
what did they expect this time nothing would happen but nobody expected Trump to do what he did and highly likely will do again Trump went from Putin's puppet to bending​ him over the proverbial table

You cut that quote Gatling...Syria gained nothing from the chemical attack....Assad could have easily bombed any opposing forces to pieces with Russias help after they got the all clear from the US....Chemical attacks are the only thing that would put international focus back on them,so why not just destroy all opposition conventionally...its easier done .
Makes no sense for Russia and Assad to put the spotlight back on themselves straight after the spotlight was taken away....you ignore that because it doesnt suit your stance

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Why wouldn't they exactly they did it before and after a red line was drawn several years ago what happened nothing,
what did they expect this time nothing would happen but nobody expected Trump to do what he did and highly likely will do again Trump went from Putin's puppet to bending​ him over the proverbial table

Putin said let the UN investigate and see who carried this out ( right response to this) Don't you find it odd Trump ignored that and just bombed? Trump got used, they know hes a hothead who jump the gun faster than Obama. I believe this attack was carried out by unknown actors and i don't think it was Assad who ordered the attack.

Gatling

gitzy16v wrote: »

You cut that quote Gatling...Syria gained nothing from the chemical attack....Assad could have easily bombed any opposing forces to pieces with Russias help after they got the all clear from the US....Chemical attacks are the only thing that would put international focus back on them,so why not just destroy all opposition conventionally...its easier done .
Makes no sense for Russia and Assad to put the spotlight back on themselves straight after the spotlight was taken away....you ignore that because it doesnt suit your stance

Yet again people can't grasp the the simple idea they did it for a gain small or large they did it simply because they could ,they did it in the past , present​ and hopefully they decide it safer not to do it again in the future,

Assad has massacred his own population ,he's tortured and maimed thousands including gouging out thousands of civilian prisoners eyes not isis not rebels but people he considered threats ,

No explain why he wouldn't do something like use chemical weapons .

You and several others can't but if you have a good idea of forensic psychology work away but the excuse what did he have to gain he wouldn't do it is utter bollox

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Yet again people can't grasp the the simple idea they did it for a gain small or large they did it simply because they could ,they did it in the past , present​ and hopefully they decide it safer not to do it again in the future,

Assad has massacred his own population ,he's tortured and maimed thousands including gouging out thousands of civilian prisoners eyes not isis not rebels but people he considered threats ,

No explain why he wouldn't do something like use chemical weapons .

You and several others can't but if you have a good idea of forensic psychology work away but the excuse what did he have to gain he wouldn't do it is utter bollox

Reason why it don't make sense is. Trump only a few weeks ago said removing Assad from power was no longer White house policy. Russia relations was more important.

Few Weeks later we have got chemical attack om Civilians blaming Syria and Russia. Its so obvious this is a false flag event (for geopolitical reasons) Assad is a bad dude but he's not stupid.

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Yet again people can't grasp the the simple idea they did it for a gain small or large they did it simply because they could ,they did it in the past , present​ and hopefully they decide it safer not to do it again in the future,

Assad has massacred his own population ,he's tortured and maimed thousands including gouging out thousands of civilian prisoners eyes not isis not rebels but people he considered threats ,

No explain why he wouldn't do something like use chemical weapons .

You and several others can't but if you have a good idea of forensic psychology work away but the excuse what did he have to gain he wouldn't do it is utter bollox

What gain????????????
Stop being stupid,its a massive hinderence to him keeping control of Syria which is all he wants....for god sake open your eyes...its makes ZERO sense....ZERO.....to piss off the US and the only way Assad was going to piss off the US was by using chemical weapons so it stinks to high heavens that straight after the US said they were not looking for regime change in Syria that all of a sudden Assad does something to make them change their mind.
Asad got what he wanted Russia onside and the US backing out...now all of a sudden he uses chemical weapons knowing quite well that the reprecussions would be disasterous for his chances of staying in power.....
Pull the other one Gatling...you havent a clue.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Reason why it don't make sense is. Trump only a few weeks ago said removing Assad from power was no longer White house policy.

So free to use anything at his disposal because Trump didn't​ want to remove him,

Again nobody on here personally​ knows the man so trying to explain away his actions on the idea he had nothing to gain ,well he had nothing to loose until the cruise missles started​ to hit

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

So free to use anything at his disposal because Trump didn't​ want to remove him,

Again nobody on here personally​ knows the man so trying to explain away his actions on the idea he had nothing to gain ,well he had nothing to loose until the cruise missles started​ to hit

You got your opinion not going to try change anymore, believe what you like.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You got your opinion

More than opinions facts say Assad has repeatedly used chemical weapons against his own population ,

And yes even the UN says so .


When it comes to opinions vs Facts ,

Facts always win out sorry

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

More than opinions facts say Assad has repeatedly used chemical weapons against his own population ,

And yes even the UN says so .


When it comes to opinions vs Facts ,

Facts always win out sorry

Ah you poo pooed the UN earlier,now they are ok?
Coming from someone who believes Buzzfeed and Turkey as reliable sources to whats happening in Syria ill take everything you say with a large pinch of salt.

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Remember when russia bombed a civilian aid convoy a few months back ,they said let's have a UN investigation but that investigation cant mention​ the Syrian regime ,air strikes , russia , civilian, so basically we might want an investigation as long as we're or Assad is blamed ,
What did the UN do when flight MH17 was shot down or Crimea invaded and annexed ,
Abso****inglutely nothing .

Putin has screwed himself and now has nowhere to go ,

Trump totally unexpectedly threw down the Gauntlet and putin been president of a relatively regional power with nuclear weapons has two options back down or put it to the Americans ,

And it was Turkish Doctor's​ who carried out the autopsy​'s on the victims who confirmed Sarin Gas .

Which will likely get more conspiracies replys.

But let's look back at the week Sarin Gas dropped on civilians , putin claims they attacked a weapons dump which accidentally set off Sarin gas (not so easy apparently).
Then it was it wasn't Assad ,
Then we don't believe they have chemical weapons but no actual denial ,
Cruise missles strikes .
Followed by threats from Assad and putin and iran ,
Which brought the we will bomb again if you Gas a single baby or drop a barrel bomb on civilians ,
Now putin is crying for a UN investigation .

Sounds like a cheap straight to cable TV movie

just for clarity

Gatling

gitzy16v wrote: »

Ah you poo pooed the UN earlier,now they are ok?
Coming from someone who believes Buzzfeed

Yes I did and who's said I believe BuzzFeed exactly because I never said I believe BuzzFeed.

So other than your own opinion that Assad wouldn't​ use chemical weapons against his own population when the facts say Assad has repeatedly used chemical weapons against his own population.

Do you have something other than wmds in Iraq from 12 years ago.

No

el diablo

You're wasting your time trying to talk sense into Gatling. He's a totally lost cause, brainwashed beyond salvation.

Gatling

el diablo wrote: »

You're wasting your time trying to talk sense into Gatling. He's a totally lost cause, brainwashed beyond salvation.

When in doubt attack ,lol

Absolutely your wasting your time I don't subscribe to conspiracies

el diablo

Gatling wrote: »

When in doubt attack ,lol

Absolutely your wasting your time I don't subscribe to conspiracies

That wasn't an attack. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories either. You quite clearly cannot think for yourself and you're just regurgitating what you're hearing/reading on CNN, BBC, Snopes and Buzzfeed etc. A false flag attack is imminent which will give the warmongering Yanks an excuse to initiate a global conflict. It's coming, we're in the early stages of a another world war.

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Yes I did and who's said I believe BuzzFeed exactly because I never said I believe BuzzFeed.

So other than your own opinion that Assad wouldn't​ use chemical weapons against his own population when the facts say Assad has repeatedly used chemical weapons against his own population.

Do you have something other than wmds in Iraq from 12 years ago.

No

Where did i say he wouldnt use them.....i said its possible he did but i doubt it

You posted what buzzfeed said as truth...until people called you out on it lol

Gatling

el diablo wrote: »

That wasn't an attack. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories either.

" A false flag attack is imminent which will give the warmongering Yanks an excuse to initiate a global conflict"

"It's coming, we're in the early stages of a another world war "

Nah your wrong .

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Nah your wrong .

So are you...

Mutant z

The USA and its allies should get the hell out of Syria, and stop supporting jihadis nutters against Assads secular government, who would impose Syria law over the country and bring it back to the stone age, have they over took over, Assad is the lesser evil in this conflict, and the legitimate ruler of the country, which should be accepted by the western powers.

gitzy16v

Mutant z wrote: »

The USA and its allies should get the hell out of Syria, and stop supporting jihadis nutters against Assads secular government, who would impose Syria law over the country and bring it back to the stone age, have they over took over, Assad is the lesser evil in this conflict, and the legitimate ruler of the country, which should be accepted by the western powers.

Sound reasonable....but theres more to it than that.
lets not have another Iraq or Libya please...

slovakchick

Mutant z wrote: »

The USA and its allies should get the hell out of Syria, and stop supporting jihadis nutters against Assads secular government, who would impose Syria law over the country and bring it back to the stone age, have they over took over, Assad is the lesser evil in this conflict, and the legitimate ruler of the country, which should be accepted by the western powers.

the country already looks pretty stony to me:P