Foróige Young Entrepreneur of the Year 2017. Seems dodgy.

Jimmy Garlic

This years winning idea/product - gender neutral clothing.. Which are basically just sweatshirts with slogans printed on them. Not too difficult to get a load of sweatshirts printed up. I could design and order a batch in 10 minutes. I think the other finalists were done over to make way for right on PC bias, i'd be pissed off if I was them. What do you think?

http://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-youth-entrepeneur-3316940-Mar2017/

Of course Katherine Zappone approves.

Hande hoche!

Bit mad, basically flogging unisex clothing.

Red Kev

WTF? That's a sweatshirt. Haven't they always been unisex more or less? My ex had to get certain womans sizes as she had very big boobs, but she often wore my stuff.

And how do you stop it being copied? Anybody anywhere can do that.

SEPT 23 1989

Would they have a "I SHOT JR" in a large?

Jimmy Garlic

Red Kev wrote: »

WTF? That's a sweatshirt. Haven't they always been unisex more or less? My ex had to get certain womans sizes as she had very big boobs, but she often wore my stuff.

And how do you stop it being copied? Anybody anywhere can do that.

There is no way copyright any of it because there is absolutely nothing unique about it. Go onto one of the many T-shirt/Sweatshirt printing companies online and get a couple of dozen sweatshirts printed up with whatever slogan you like in block capitals.

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I think the other finalists were done over to make way for right on PC bias, i'd be pissed off if I was them

Yeah, I'm sure the other finalists who made personalised dog-collars and cosmic tie-dyed t-shirts were devastated that their more worthy products didn't win. :rolleyes:

It's not just about the product, it's about setting up a business.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donegal-teenager-wins-entrepreneur-award-with-gender-neutral-clothes-1.3031282

Seven entrepreneurs exhibiting 14 products were shortlisted for the award. Personalised dog collars, hand-crafted pencil holders and cosmic tie-dyed T-shirts were among the product items exhibited by the finalists.

Grayson

Surely the point of the prize is that it go to an idea that will sell and make money. Not an idea that Jimmy Garlic finds compatible with his world view.


(Although on a separate note, gender neutral childrens clothing would be good. I've talked to friends who have toddlers and they say that most stuff for boys is quite bland. It'd be an idea to make clothing that's a bit brighter and at that stage you could market it to both genders. It even makes passing clothes down to younger siblings a bit easier. )

Estrellita

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What do you think?.

I think I've better things to be doing than begrudging a teenager for winning something.

It's not about how quickly you can have something printed off on clothing, or if you can think of something more clever to say. It's the idea behind it, what it stands for and entrepreneurship. Are you normally this obtuse?

Venom

Estrellita wrote: »

I think I've better things to be doing than begrudging a teenager for winning something.

It's not about how quickly you can have something printed off on clothing, or if you can think of something more clever to say. It's the idea behind it, what it stands for and entrepreneurship. Are you normally this obtuse?

Except theres nothing unique about her idea from a business perspective, which at best is just a bland rip off of whats already on the market.

For example

https://www.genderfreeworld.com/

https://sixty-nine.us/collections/general

https://www.onedna.us/

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

There is no way copyright any of it because there is absolutely nothing unique about it

Venom wrote: »

Except theres nothing unique about her idea from a business perspective

Who said it had to be a "unique" idea?

rob316

Its not about the product its about the business and if she could get a bunch of bellends to buy these then she fully deserves the award.

The_Valeyard

Didnt someone at that competition invent soaps that could be used by people with skin conditions that would not have caused outbreaks, hives or rashes.

valoren

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Would they have a "I SHOT JR" in a large?

They do have "THEY SHOT JR"

Gender neutral after all.

Agent Smith

valoren wrote: »

Don't you mean "THEY SHOT JR"?

Being gender neutral and all that?

Deep down we all shot JR....

Estrellita

Venom wrote: »

Except theres nothing unique about her idea from a business perspective, which at best is just a bland rip off of whats already on the market.

Nor is there anything unique about dog collars etc.

If I come up with my own take on a strawberry yogurt, am I ripping off Yoplait and the rest of them? Am I fcuk. She's as entitled as any of them to put her own twist on something.

Red Kev

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Didnt someone at that competition invent soaps that could be used by people with skin conditions that would not have caused outbreaks, hives or rashes.

Been around since soap was invented. It's natural soap without all the scent and chemicals thrown in to it.

ToddyDoody

It's not really about the clothes though. It's about the concept and the morketing.

Jimmy Garlic

ToddyDoody wrote: »

It's not really about the clothes though. It's about the concept and the morketing.

The market for mass produced sweatshirts with slogans in block capitals is pretty much saturated already. Go on Ebay there and order one in any size you like with the ''gender neutral'' slogan of your choosing. 20 quid or so.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/CUSTOM-PRINTED-SWEATSHIRT-Personalised-Stag-Hen-Workwear-Event-Staff-/232154331449?var=531358915181&hash=item360d79f939:m:mtvHBYM5CIvkXr-MkLYxqXQ

ToddyDoody

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The market for mass produced sweatshirts with slogans in block capitals is pretty much saturated already. Go on Ebay there and order one in any size you like with the ''gender neutral'' slogan of your choosing. 20 quid or so.

Fashion though. Follow the trend. Gender neutral is all In at the moment.

Jimmy Garlic

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Fashion though. Follow the trend. Gender neutral is all In at the moment.

When were sweatshirts gender specific?

ToddyDoody

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

When were sweatshirts gender specific?

Never, but they never weren't either... at least not explicitly non-gender specific.

It is a load bullsh*te but so are a lot of things urban.

What's 'dodgy' about it OP?

__Alex__

Venom wrote: »

Except theres nothing unique about her idea from a business perspective, which at best is just a bland rip off of whats already on the market.

None of the ideas in the comp appear to be unique.

Jimmy Garlic

bubblypop wrote: »

What's 'dodgy' about it OP?

Just smells like more agenda pushing tbh.. Zappone all over it like hot snot etc.

Outlaw Pete

Do they sell any gender neutral bras?
















My man boobs need harnessing. Don't judge me.

Jimmy Garlic

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Do they sell any gender neutral bras?

My man boobs need harnessing. Don't judge me.

Are you thinking of becoming genderfluid? Just get a baggy sweatshirt and nobody will know what you are. Your boobs will be hidden.

Gatling

People will complain about anything these days

Annasopra

bubblypop wrote: »

What's 'dodgy' about it OP?

It's outrageous Joe. How dare she produce and design Clothes.

gramar

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's outrageous Joe. How dare she produce and design Clothes.

She's hardly designing. She's buying mass produced sweatshirts and putting on quotes in big black letters she's found on facebook and instagram.
If she's a designer a bricklayer is an architect.

Yourself isit

ToddyDoody wrote: »

It's not really about the clothes though. It's about the concept and the morketing.

Women have been wearing "gender neutral" sweat shirts, trousers etc, for decades.

__Alex__

gramar wrote: »

She's hardly designing. She's buying mass produced sweatshirts and putting on quotes in big black letters she's found on facebook and instagram.
If she's a designer a bricklayer is an architect.

She's sixteen, she's hardly going to be manufacturing a clothing line. If she won with non-controversial lettering on the clothing, none of y'all would have a problem with this. None of the finalists seem particularly original. Is it really this easy to bait you? Ah lads.

gramar

Yourself isit wrote: »

Women have been wearing "gender neutral" sweat shirts, trousers etc, for decades.

This is the extent of the 'designing....'

gramar

__Alex__ wrote: »

She's sixteen, she's hardly going to be manufacturing a clothing line. If she won with non-controversial lettering on the clothing, none of y'all would have a problem with this. None of the finalists seem particularly original. Is it really this easy to bait you? Ah lads.

It's hardly controversial. If I saw one of these sweatshirts I wouldn't automatically think that person is gender whatever or supports gender fluidity.
They are mass produced sweatshirts with a slogan. She has two and a t-shirt.
I'd call that fairly unimaginative, anything but unique and either the competition was woeful or like the OP said it's a PC decision and not a business one.

__Alex__

gramar wrote: »

It's hardly controversial. If I saw one of these sweatshirts I wouldn't automatically think that person is gender whatever or supports gender fluidity.
They are mass produced sweatshirts with a slogan. She has two and a t-shirt.
I'd call that fairly unimaginative, anything but unique and either the competition was woeful or like the OP said it's a PC decision and not a business one.

Once more for the cheap seats: none of the finalists are particularly original. This is what they had work with. Why shouldn't this girl have won?

The fact that you and others seems bothered by the idea of her winning because of the subject of the lettering betrays the fact that it's a little controversial. If the lettering was just, say, band names for example, I every much doubt there'd be a thread right now. Maybe if it was just band names she wouldn't have won, but out of a not very exciting bunch of finalists, may as well go with one that might attract a bit of attention. They seem to have accomplished that mission too.

Yourself isit

__Alex__ wrote: »

She's sixteen, she's hardly going to be manufacturing a clothing line. If she won with non-controversial lettering on the clothing, none of y'all would have a problem with this. None of the finalists seem particularly original. Is it really this easy to bait you? Ah lads.

The question is whether she would have won by producing sweat shirts with the same text if she hadnt mentioned the magic pixie dust of gender neutrality.

If so then the rest of the completion had a right to be aggrieved that they didn't market themselves as gender neutral dog collars, gender neutral soap and gender neutral wheelie bin clips for windy weather

Annasopra

Yourself isit wrote: »

The question is whether she would have won by producing sweat shirts with the same text if she hadnt mentioned the magic pixie dust of gender neutrality.

If so then the rest of the completion had a right to be aggrieved that they didn't market themselves as gender neutral dog collars, gender neutral soap and gender neutral wheelie bin clips for windy weather

It's outrageous Joe. She mentioned gender neutral.

__Alex__

Yourself isit wrote: »

The question is whether she would have won by producing sweat shirts with the same text if she hadnt mentioned the magic pixie dust of gender neutrality.

As I noted, maybe not. But considering none of the other finalists mentioned in the article seems much better, might as well go with something topical. It was almost certainly part of the decision-making. The winner showed savvy. Good for her.

gramar

__Alex__ wrote: »

As I noted, maybe not. But considering none of the other finalists mentioned in the article seems much better, might as well go with something topical. It was almost certainly part of the decision-making. The winner showed savvy. Good for her.

All well and good having an idea but if it's so easy to replicate it's not a good business idea.
By the end of next week I could have 10 different models on a webpage with snappy slogans like 'it's gender not genitals' and suchlike.
The likes of Penneys could have their stores flooded within weeks.

Yourself isit

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's outrageous Joe. She mentioned gender neutral.

Nobody is outraged, nobody's calling joe.


Your one trick pony sneer and strawman was trite and unfunny the first time you managed to rifle up enough brain power to type a response to this thread. It gets less interesting each time.

__Alex__

gramar wrote: »

All well and good having an idea but if it's so easy to replicate it's not a good business idea.
By the end of next week I could have 10 different models on a webpage with snappy slogans like 'it's gender not genitals' and suchlike.
The likes of Penneys could have their stores flooded within weeks.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall. The finalists were what they had to work with clearly. All of the finalists that I can see produced something that was easy to replicate and indeed has probably already been done. So they had to pick someone. Should they have just cancelled the competition? And more to the point, would it bother you so much if one of the other finalists had won with their also easily-replicable entries?

Yourself isit

__Alex__ wrote: »

As I noted, maybe not. But considering none of the other finalists mentioned in the article seems much better, might as well go with something topical. It was almost certainly part of the decision-making. The winner showed savvy. Good for her.

Maybe. Of course the independent doesn't tell us about any other pertinent information. Maybe she is selling bucket loads already, or has a great business plan.

Grayson

gramar wrote: »

All well and good having an idea but if it's so easy to replicate it's not a good business idea.
By the end of next week I could have 10 different models on a webpage with snappy slogans like 'it's gender not genitals' and suchlike.
The likes of Penneys could have their stores flooded within weeks.

I don't think you know what gender neutral means.
I'm wearing a gender neutral hoodie at the moment. It's a hoodie with a corporate logo on it. Everyone where I worked was given one. There's no difference between the one I got and the one the women got. It's nothing to do with genders, it's gender neutral.

Look at the logo's in the clothes she designed. They just say "Stand out" and "I am myself". Hardly a political statement. Doesn't even mention gender.

That's what gender neutral is. The idea is that absolutely anyone can wear them.

gramar

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think you know what gender neutral means.
I'm wearing a gender neutral hoodie at the moment. It's a hoodie with a corporate logo on it. Everyone where I worked was given one. There's no difference between the one I got and the one the women got. It's nothing to do with genders, it's gender neutral.

Look at the logo's in the clothes she designed. They just say "Stand out" and "I am myself". Hardly a political statement. Doesn't even mention gender.

That's what gender neutral is. The idea is that absolutely anyone can wear them.

You call it a gender neutral hoodie...I'd call it a hoodie. It appears unisex is on the way out and gender neutral is on the way in.

Venom

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think you know what gender neutral means.
I'm wearing a gender neutral hoodie at the moment. It's a hoodie with a corporate logo on it. Everyone where I worked was given one. There's no difference between the one I got and the one the women got. It's nothing to do with genders, it's gender neutral.

Look at the logo's in the clothes she designed. They just say "Stand out" and "I am myself". Hardly a political statement. Doesn't even mention gender.

That's what gender neutral is. The idea is that absolutely anyone can wear them.

Hoodies,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoodie

have been around for a long time as unisex clothing just like sweat pants and trainers. Are the latter two now "gender neutral" or are they still unisex? What about gloves or backpacks?

Even by your own statement, the winner just stuck generic non political and non gender neutral slogans on unisex clothing so calling her stuff out as some special gender neutral line of clothing is just bs.

At least the personalized dog collars are not something most people could make themselves but I guess gender neutral collars would of had more of a winning edge and scored more points with the judges!

Calhoun

The comments on the journal for this one are spot on , the failure of the other participants was to not hit the SJW trigger spots.

RobertKK

I guess the level of competition was quite poor.

Calhoun

RobertKK wrote: »

I guess the level of competition was quite poor.

One of the youngsters developed soap to sell to people with skin conditions, didn't market them as gender neutral though.

Outlaw Pete

Gender neutral clothing is pure idiocy and really is just a concept rather than something functional. Men and women generally have different body shapes and clothes need to reflect that. Apple bottom jeans, broad shouldered shirts etc. For it is somehow seen as progressive to have a clothing line which doesn't take women and men's natural body shapes into consideration when producing their clothes just shows the level of madness in our society today.

I think it irresponsible to give a young person an entrepreneurial award for getting involved in this kind of nonsense.