Tesla Model S

sk8board

unkel wrote: »

You don't seem to care, maybe that's because you are used to slow ICE cars and you've said a 0-60 time of 6s is all you ever need?

I certainly do care about performance. Always have done and always will. Back in the day that meant several of my family cars were V8 petrols.

I never mentioned myself - I mentioned mass market buyers.
To traditional car buyers, a 4-6s car is faster than anything they’ll have ever owned.
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My point is simply that Tesla are doomed to be owned by folks who believe everyone else has made the wrong choice, because of a 0-60 time.
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Chill. We know your car is faster than ours, and that’s ok.
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Tesla drivers have become the new Audi drivers, who because the new Bmw drivers, who became etc etc

unkel

sk8board wrote: »

I never mentioned myself - I mentioned mass market buyers.
To traditional car buyers, a 4-6s car is faster than anything they’ll have ever owned.

Mass market traditional car buyers are hardly going to buy a high end Tesla Model S. Or a Porsche Taycan. Not sure where you come up with these ideas / thoughts

sk8board wrote: »

Tesla drivers have become the new Audi drivers, who because the new Bmw drivers, who became etc etc

Thanks for the sly dig BTW :rolleyes:

Can you not just accept that for some people (unlike yourself) performance is actually important?

Gumbo

sk8board wrote: »

It’s only a paper stat though - golf club carpark top trumps. Outside that carpark no-one cares.
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Meanwhile everyone else will just buy the base Taycan and it’ll be the fastest car they’ve ever driven.

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A better comparison would be the new €65k golf R versus a M3LR - similar range and acceleration, relatively speaking - but I’d have the Tesla 9 times out of 10.

As an aside, Tesla’s halo models are starting to really age, and we know that full replacement models will take them YEARS to deliver to market, so how long can they cling to 0-60times as a differentiator, when 0-60 times aren’t important to mass market buyers ….
It reminds me of the original Godzilla GT-R fans, or more recently the mk1 golf R lads. The competition catches up pretty fast.

If that’s the case then, should you not compare the base model S with the base Taycan?

Gumbo

Plaid Event for anyone that may be interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0

Gumbo

Another video on the new Model S and how the stalkless interior works.

I like it a lot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRZXCOaIks

slave1

Well you know who will be a happy camper with leaving a lead acid 12v battery behind...

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-12v-lithium-ion-battery/

unkel

Me

I've been saying it for years. Lead acid batteries have no role in EVs, their use was ridiculous. Very glad to see Tesla is replacing them with a lithium battery. Once again Tesla is leading, hopefully the rest of the pack will follow.

carloscorreia

Small preview of Jay Leno's quarter mile record with the Plaid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zkIDLk9Qao

Oafley Jones

Gumbo wrote: »

Another video on the new Model S and how the stalkless interior works.

I like it a lot!

I still can’t believe they’re shipping it with that yoke. The lack of stalks is bad enough, but that’s probably the stupidest thing I’ve seen on a car in years.

Gumbo

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I still can’t believe they’re shipping it with that yoke. The lack of stalks is bad enough, but that’s probably the stupidest thing I’ve seen on a car in years.

AFAIK it’s an option. You can select the full wheel if you like.

But I suppose it’s a personal thing, a design or tech change that will become the norm. I remember buying my 2002 Honda Civic Type R some years ago. The first car of that generation to put the gear stick up on the dash and people laughed and said no way they’d drive it.

It became natural and IMO, one of the best places manual gear knobs out there to this day.

unkel

Gumbo wrote: »

I remember buying my 2002 Honda Civic Type R some years ago. The first car of that generation to put the gear stick up on the dash and people laughed and said no way they’d drive it.

It became natural and IMO, one of the best places manual gear knobs out there to this day.

Yep, makes a lot of sense particularly in a FWD drive car with a flat floor. Back when I was young plenty of other basic cars had the gear stick there BTW





Bonus points for anyone under the age of 40 who can guess what they are, without looking at the links

garo

unkel wrote:

Bonus points for anyone under the age of 40 who can guess what they are, without looking at the links

what what are?

slave1

Chokes?

garo

Possibly. I am old enough that I didn't bat an eyelid when I saw them.

unkel

No I meant what cars they are

(that have the gear stick up on the dash like Gumbo mentioned)

Anyway they are the Renault R4 and Citroen 2CV

Gumbo

Small snipet of a Plaid MS on track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voL7h5UuEag

ted1

slave1 wrote: »

Chokes?

Close , that was thrust secondary use. There primary function was to hold handbags

slave1

Thar she blows, a battery for the life of the car perhaps

ELM327

12v li-ion battery? Unkel will be happy.

unkel

Not if it's li-ion but I will be happy if it's LiFePo4

slave1

Some interesting trips yesterday and today tracked on Scanmytesla...


Straight motorway run, little or no wind, very little traffic, 120km/h on AP1
Consumption was 19.1 with 2.6% Regen, AC off

On the way home I choose 80/100km route for a test and stuck to speed limits
Consumption was 16.8 with 16.2% Regen, AC off

Then a trip around town today for the food shop, usual bits of traffic etc
Consumption was 20.4 with 30.1% Regen, AC on

So reading between the lines the car does not seem to care too much between say 90km/h and 120km/h, the increase in consumption is more aligned to less Regen.
Around the town with 4 short separate trips and AC it's not mad on and that's the Tesla Departure Tax I suppose

unkel

I'm seeing a lot of 18-19kWh/100km averages in the last few weeks (ideal temps). That's a lot lower than it was in winter. Very heavy right foot here though

I'd say on regional roads with average speed no more than 80km/h, light foot and smooth driving (but not resorting to hypermiliing) you could get about 14-15kWh/100km, so with our older (refurbished) 85 battery that were never anywhere near 85kWh in the first place (let alone usable kWh), at a push you might get 500km range

The Model S uses roughly 50% more electricity than Ioniq 28kWh, the most efficient EV of them all.

Sabre Man

I managed below 160 kWh/100 km on a 140 km trip recently due to slow drivers, few great places to overtake and not being in a hurry. The speed limit was mostly 100 but I also had to drive through a number of towns. If I had been able to keep it up I could probably have done 450 km on my fully charged 75 kWh battery.

slave1

Folks, what charge speed ye getting on the 50kW DC chargers in your S?

Sabre Man

slave1 wrote: »

Folks, what charge speed ye getting on the 50kW DC chargers in your S?

About 80 km/h, or 160 km/h with a Chademo adapter

unkel

Sabre Man wrote: »

About 80 km/h, or 160 km/h with a Chademo adapter

Would you not switch the settings to kW

That seems incredibly slow though. Seeing as the max a Model S can do on CHAdeMO is about 45kW, you are only getting 22kW on the CCS? Or do you not have CCS and you are using the AC43 and you have the optional dual charger?

slave1 wrote: »

Folks, what charge speed ye getting on the 50kW DC chargers in your S?

Only tested it for a few seconds when I got my CCS conversion done, to make sure it was working. Can't be 100% sure, but I think I remember I got about 45kW

KCross

slave1 wrote: »

Folks, what charge speed ye getting on the 50kW DC chargers in your S?

Wont it roughly be a case of 125A (the max all the eCars 50kW chargers can deliver) multiplied by the voltage of the pack, which is obviously State of Charge dependent, but lets say around 375V x 125A = 46kW

Gumbo

slave1 wrote: »

Folks, what charge speed ye getting on the 50kW DC chargers in your S?

I plan on testing the ccs conversion connection on my new car this week so I’ll check north then and report back.

ELM327

I would usually see 45kW peak but it fluctuated between 37 at the low end and 45 at around 75% SOC on chademo

Interestingly the CCS appeared to have a different curve

Sabre Man

unkel wrote: »

Would you not switch the settings to kW

That seems incredibly slow though. Seeing as the max a Model S can do on CHAdeMO is about 45kW, you are only getting 22kW on the CCS? Or do you not have CCS and you are using the AC43 and you have the optional dual charger?



Only tested it for a few seconds when I got my CCS conversion done, to make sure it was working. Can't be 100% sure, but I think I remember I got about 45kW

I don't have CCS (yet) or dual chargers, only a single 11 kW onboard charger. Is yours 16 kW?