would you let this happen to your kid?

SILVAMAN

A TSA agent in the US gives a young lad a thorough pat down.....WTF?

https://www.facebook.com/JasperLPIN/videos/1423081914380327/

Fr_Dougal

Video error.

wotzgoingon

Can't watch the video. Link must be bad.

riffmongous

Don't really want to watch it to be honest

melloa

osorry dont have facebook

biko

Ermagerd, my outrage knows no bounds..

wotzgoingon

Wasn't too bad was expecting a lot of groping of the groin area.

Amalgam

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SILVAMAN

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Can't watch the video. Link must be bad.

you have to have a facebook account I think-cannot find it on youtube

Jack the Stripper

Do we need to be Facebook friends to see it?

One doesnt 'let' a tsa agent do their job or otherwise

What's SPD? She said her kid had SPD?

SkepticQuark

bubblypop wrote: »

What's SPD? She said her kid had SPD?

EDIT: I dun goofed. SPD in this context: http://www.inha.ie/sensory-processing-disorder/

the_pen_turner

whats the problem
surely they had reason or suspition to do it.

Mountainsandh

It seems excessive as the young lad hadn't even set off the alarm.
Honestly, a quick search would be fine, but the old man seemed to be overly thorough for the age of the subject he was dealing with. I know my 9 yo boy would probably be shook after it too.

Ok i just saw the poster was some libertarian something other.....
*Unfollows *

Beyondgone

the_pen_turner wrote: »

whats the problem
surely they had reason or suspition to do it.

That kid is a ringer for a terrorist. You'd never know what sneaky devices he had concealed. :rolleyes:

Hardened looking. Montessori obviously set his life on the wrong track.

Mountainsandh

the_pen_turner wrote: »

whats the problem
surely they had reason or suspition to do it.

The Mum says young lad hadn't set off the alarm, so it was random. She asked could he be scanned instead, maybe she was a bit over-reactive with them, and they responded by being díckheads.

alchemist33

As much as I'd love to join in with slagging facebook, libertarians or Americans, that search seemed excessively thorough and went on far too long given the lack of alarms etc. I certainly wouldn't be happy if it was my child.

the_pen_turner

Beyondgone wrote: »

That kid is a ringer for a terrorist. You'd never know what sneaky devices he had concealed. :rolleyes:

Hardened looking. Montessori obviously set his life on the wrong track.

what does a terrorist look like

BorneTobyWilde

It was a complete piss take in all fairly. He is wearing a t-shirt and shorts. A quick pat down would be ok as it's clear he is not packing anything. He went over board and used his hands over and over out of spite of the mother looking on as they has argued. It was a clear abuse of power and a show of arrogance while the mom looked on with two policemen by her side who were called after the argument.

Mountainsandh

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It was a complete piss take in all fairly. He is wearing a t-shirt and shorts. A quick pat down would be ok as it's clear he is not packing anything. He went over board and used his hands over and over out of spite of the mother looking on as they has argued. It was a clear abuse of power and a show of arrogance while the mom looked on with two policemen by her side who were called after the argument.

Yeah. It looks like that to me too. And it's one thing acting like that with an adult, but really to use the kid in that way is despicable.

Joeseph Balls

riffmongous wrote: »

Don't really want to watch it to be honest

Or just not really arsed?

DontThankMe

Completely unnecessary to do that to the child how could he even be seen as a threat to anyone on a plane he's wearing shorts and a t-shirt. What the actual fvck could he be possibly hiding absolute joke

Beyondgone

the_pen_turner wrote: »

what does a terrorist look like

They have bombs/guns/knives concealed and are able to use them. As opposed to looking like capturing a Pokémon would be a big ask.. Was that a serious question? The US Immigration service may be interested in hiring you if it was. Seemingly.

ceadaoin.

roddy15 wrote: »

Symphysis pubis dysfunction according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphysis_pubis_dysfunction

That is a thing that affects pregnant women. I think she means sensory processing disorder

the_pen_turner

Beyondgone wrote: »

They have bombs/guns/knives concealed and are able to use them. As opposed to looking like capturing a Pokémon would be a big ask.. Was that a serious question? The US Immigration service may be interested in hiring you if it was. Seemingly.

that was a reaction to the poster saying he was a ringer for a terrorist


while we are on the subject could you 100% say he had no bad intentions. i couldnt. probably not but better safe than sorry

SkepticQuark

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That is a thing that affects pregnant women. I think she means sensory processing disorder

Oops, my bad. :P Edited the post in case people end up getting confused.

alchemist33

The TSA guy also has a haircut I've only seen on the unsubs in Criminal Minds. Somebody should check his basement.

Beyondgone

the_pen_turner wrote: »

that was a reaction to the poster saying he was a ringer for a terrorist


while we are on the subject could you 100% say he had no bad intentions. i couldnt. probably not but better safe than sorry

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he may be radically opposed to going to bed at 10 and having his FB time limited. Beyond that, I've few fears. Pretty much.

Effects

the_pen_turner wrote: »

what does a terrorist look like

Seriously, that's airport security for you. They have a job and they are sticking to it.
I recently went through airport security, hand luggage only, I'm well used to it. I had a bottle that was over 100mls, but i only filled it halfway. Had a big row with security who told me it was over the 100 MLS liquid allowance. Clearly half full. Eventually a supervisor came over & let me through.
My friends child, and her buggy were pulled over for more of a search.
That's life, the child was 3. But sure what harm, we didn't complain, over in less than 5 minutes.

the_pen_turner

Effects wrote: »

is that the lunatic that killed all those people in norway

Beyondgone

Regarding the whole "would you let this happen to your child?" question - what would you do to change it? Argue? Get violent? Call a lawyer? And you there stood in your socks, with a head full of seeing Mickey and fancy yank hotels with topless waitresses. And all that saving you did just to pay for it all. You'd smile and hope the little fecker wasn't smuggling any contraband, that's what you'd do.

DontThankMe

the_pen_turner wrote: »

is that the lunatic that killed all those people in norway

No different guy the guy in the picture murdered many african americans in a church if I'm not mistaken.

JupiterKid

You can thank 9/11 and the paranoid world we now live in for this.

Mountainsandh

the_pen_turner wrote: »

is that the lunatic that killed all those people in norway

No this guy went into a church in the U.S. and killed people there iirc.

Beyondgone yeah, there isn't much you could do on the spot. Other than taking the details of the over-zealous guy and lodging a complaint afterwards. That's what I'd do anyway.
And acting ridiculously enthusiastic while hurrying my little guy away from there to the nearest ice-cream seller.

reason vs religion

bubblypop wrote: »

Ok i just saw the poster was some libertarian something other.....
*Unfollows *

Tbh, the regular violation by US police of what we'd consider natural freedoms over here might drive me towards libertarianism if I lived there.

the_syco

He'll probably get a pay raise after this video is shown to his boss of him following their search protocol to the letter.

Tell me how

The TSA guy probably saw the video being recorded and was thinking "Well, this is going on FB. No way am I going to be pulled in for poor pat down procedure just because someone put me under pressure by filming me. F*ck that."

If lady had recorded the whole exchange, I suspect it probably showed a whole load of nothing.

The only way the young lad was still saying "I don't know what I did", hours later, was in response to the mother asking him about it.

Effects

the_pen_turner wrote: »

is that the lunatic that killed all those people in norway

Nope. That was this terrorist:

SILVAMAN

Tell me how wrote: »

The TSA guy probably saw the video being recorded and was thinking "Well, this is going on FB. No way am I going to be pulled in for poor pat down procedure just because someone put me under pressure by filming me. F*ck that."

http://time.com/4715428/tsa-pat-down-boy-video-jennifer-williamson-dallas-airport/
The mother's explanation.
The whole thing is a bit like speed traps-on the not dangerous roads rather than the roads where traveling at speed is much more dangerous and where it might be better to patrol. It's the shooting fish in the barrel scenario to fill a quota rather than doing some drudge work to actually make a difference. Henry Kissinger was even given a pat down by TSA at La Guardia

Outlaw Pete

"Eh sorry, but would you mind awfully not searching my red suitcase too rigorously as it has fragile items".

/Bomb disposal called in to search Red suitcase.

They should have just said nothing. These TSA twats couldn't care less about special needs and if you ask for someone to have a less than thorough search, they just assume the kid is strapped with dynamite.

Hannibal_Smith

Yes. It happened to our kid last Summer. He didn't have any sensory issues so there was nothing to cause outrage over. But the man was doing his job.

Samuel T. Cogley

No I like to subject my kid/kids/pets/myself to a security system with clear holes in it which can be easily identified and exploited.

MonkieSocks

That TSA guy looks like the guy who was Rear Ended in that movie Deliverance.



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wakka12

While it did seem strangely thorough given the age of the child and no suspicious circumstances to prevent it, the accusations of paedophilia are also ludicrous. If this man were a paedophile, first of all do you think he'd detain a child just because he liked the look of him that much, and then feel him up under this guise in front of his entire family. Im sure he was just following protocol, maybe the child was one of those random drug screening where every few people are searched thoroughly for drug evidence. Even if they've shown no reason to be suspiocus

Airports can be sometimes unnecessarily strict places and I just think its a bit poor to slander this man by accusing him of paedophilia over this

hatrickpatrick

I find it absolutely ridiculous that so many people defend this TSA crap. Touching peoples' genital areas without consent is not ok, period. It wouldn't even have stopped the 9/11 bombers ffs.

At what point are we allowed to say that the price of "security" is too high, exactly, that living in such a f*cked up society with so much Big Brother crap is actually less preferable than the slight risk of becoming the victim of a terrorist attack?

I have absolutely no qualms about saying that I'd rather risk being blown up in a bombing than allowing the government to build a permanent record of every single website I've ever visited to potentially use against me for blackmail if I ever became a journalist, whistleblower or politician for instance. At a certain stage, security is simply not worth the freedoms we're being asked to give up, and this officially sanctioned molestation in airports is 100% part of this category. The very remote risk of being blown up is worth it if the alternative is that we don't get to keep our personal freedoms.

Permabear

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Mountainsandh

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I find it absolutely ridiculous that so many people defend this TSA crap. Touching peoples' genital areas without consent is not ok, period. It wouldn't even have stopped the 9/11 bombers ffs.

At what point are we allowed to say that the price of "security" is too high, exactly, that living in such a f*cked up society with so much Big Brother crap is actually less preferable than the slight risk of becoming the victim of a terrorist attack?

Great point well made, but I wouldn't agree 100%.
I like to feel safe, and maybe my scale of what is acceptable is just broader than yours.
I think the kind of search your man performed would be ok on an adult, provided it's just the random occasional search (not a systematic search of all adults).

There should really an adjusted scale of what is acceptable search on children, and imo, the search performed in the video should be out of bounds.

I do agree 100% on the fact that we, as a society, have to decide on how far we will tolerate intrusion in our lives as little human beings pottering around the planet on our little human beings' business, by the big machine.
At the end of the day, all these rules, regulations, and procedures we live under are meant to enable us to live happy lives, not ultra safe, ultra healthy, ultra long, ultra productive, or ultra-something lives.

topmanamillion

I don't see what the problem is here.
It seemed like a professionally conducted pat down.
I know the lads young but they have to be thorough, plenty of kids being brainwashed/forced to blow themselves up all over the world every day so he has to be checked.

On a separate note this kind of faux outrage is the reason I no longer use Facebook and look down my nose at anyone who does.

While I feel sorry for the young lad, I feel most sorry for the auld lad just doing his job who ends up being criticised and abused with allegations of him being a paedophile by a load of cyber halfwits.