Ban cars from rush hour?

doolox

If the authorities introduced a congestion toll of about €3.00 for any car going inside that zone from 8 am to 11am and 4 pm to 6pm and improved the public transport links enormously with car parks on the periphery just outside the canals. The traffic authorities would have to allow for hotel guests cars and people buying heavy goods inside the zone and for residents inside the zone.

The present crazy arrangements cannot continue indefinitely.

Beyondgone

Working 7.45am to 7pm.. because they banned the other option.. rush hour now transferred to 6am and 7.30pm.. going into work at 9am and home at 5 because it is "quieter" but more expensive.. People have to go to work. Oddly, many do so at the same time.

CaptainR

I'm biased to a degree because I ride one but their should be a policy of promoting motorcycling within major urban areas to decrease the number of cars on the roads. They have the benefits of bicycles with regard to filtering while also having the speed of a car.

This idea that there's either a car, bicycle or public transport as the only way into the city shows how little they're thought of as a viable means of transportation. There was a time not long ago when people scoffed at the idea of cycling to work before the cycle to work scheme was launched.

monkeysnapper

Move to the country.


Eat a lot of peaches ....

mikeoneilly

I'm seeing too many bicycles lately with only 1 driver

Beyondgone

mikeoneilly wrote: »

I'm seeing too many bicycles lately with only 1 driver

There ought to be Unicycle lanes. Much more environmentally efficient - less tyres, less space. And they could be skinny..like a thin painted line. Cyclists could upskill.

OldMrBrennan83

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Jack the Stripper

Do a cull on the population in Dublin and ship them to Cavan.

RayM

andekwarhola wrote: »

You might need a better public transport network to cope with this.

At the very least, you'd need dedicated bus routes that go directly from the park & ride facilities to the city centre, stopping only to let people off along the way.

Richard Hillman

Buses are the biggest problem to Dublin's congestion. It doesn't help when there is a bus stop every 100-200 meters.

The bus Lanes in the city centre should be replaced by light rail, with buses servicing outside the city centre.

Jack the Stripper

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Buses are the biggest problem to Dublin's congestion. It doesn't help when there is a bus stop every 100-200 meters.

Get rid of some bus stops, if some one can't walk 500 metres they should stay at home.

Arcade_Tryer

Patww79 wrote: »

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That's the idea. People should have to pay more for that privilege.

Yourself isit

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

I'd imagine that a lot of people in Dublin are both car and bike users. Mild levels of annoyance based on which mode of transport you are using. Comes with living in a city.

The types that get extremely angry about this type of stuff always strike me as car owners who drive sh1tty saloons with a dashcam installed. Often seen waxing their 'motor' in the driveway of a bland semi-d on a Saturday afternoon. Or bicycle owners who realise they will never be good enough for, or good enough at, golf, and so pour all their money into expensive bikes and Lycra that make very little difference to how unfit they are. Physically, mentally and spiritually.

Jesus, you hate everybody.

Yourself isit

CaptainR wrote: »

I'm biased to a degree because I ride one but their should be a policy of promoting motorcycling within major urban areas to decrease the number of cars on the roads. They have the benefits of bicycles with regard to filtering while also having the speed of a car.

This idea that there's either a car, bicycle or public transport as the only way into the city shows how little they're thought of as a viable means of transportation. There was a time not long ago when people scoffed at the idea of cycling to work before the cycle to work scheme was launched.

Not a bad idea. Scooters.

Zebra3

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Buses are the biggest problem to Dublin's congestion.

Completely and utterly untrue.

By far the most crucial part of transporting the citizens of Dublin around.

stockdam

Too many traffic lights in Dublin.
The roads leading off the M50 don't get cars away quickly enough and so queues build up. The M50 should have more lanes or an Express Lane that only allows cars to leave or come on at a couple of exits.
Dublin needs an underground.
The cycle to work scheme on trains only allows bicycles on between  9:30 – 16:00 and after 19:00....what good is that?

Ubbquittious

Yourself isit wrote: »

Not a bad idea. Scooters.

Great until some chungwan gets a slight scrape off a handlebar from one while crossing the road and looking at her phone at the same time, resulting in a €45,000 insurance payout and a resounding "SCOOTERS ARE EVIL" cry by the media, the courts and Insurance Ireland who will make a Honda 50 cost about 3 grand to insure.

There is no easy way around it. Dublin will always be a congested hellhole no matter what some politician thinks of to solve the problem. The only real solution is to ban Dublin

Remove all the people, put up a big fence around it with biohazard signs, fill Dublin bay with mines and watch it become our version of Pripyat

K.Flyer

Car-pooling would probably work and be more of an incentive if they allowed said cars use the bus lanes as well. My brother in law in San Francisco car pools a few days of the week. As long as there are two or more people in the car they can use the HOV lane, (effectively a bus lane), and it cuts a huge chunk of time off his journey.

Turpentine

Zebra3 wrote: »

Completely and utterly untrue.

By far the most crucial part of transporting the citizens of Dublin around.

Maybe not the buses themselves, but the positioning of bus-stops can be a problem.

An example that springs to mind is the one outside Tesco at Leonard's Corner. No car can drive around them because there's usually not enough space, tends to cause a tailback from both the South Circular Road (City-bound) and from Harold's Cross.

Graces7

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Get rid of some bus stops, if some one can't walk 500 metres they should stay at home.

Discrimination against older and disableds.. I mean it!

BlinkingLights

We're dithering on public transport infrastructure for decades.

Dublin at this stage should have multiple metro and tram ways.

Cork should probably have two tram lines by now.

We are benchmarking against non London UK cities, most of which have poor public transport. Not exactly stretching ourselves to a high bar.

Dublin should be aiming for a transit system that's as good as say Brussels, Copenhagen or maybe Lille (which has an automated, driverless metro).

Cork should have at least the start of a decent basis for transit networks and they should be using at least bus rapid transit in Limerick, Galway and Waterford.

Galway is clogged due to totally inadequate road infrastructure too. It's insane not having a proper ring of some sort. Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Waterford actually have pretty decent road networks. The lack of adequate mass transit is killing Dublin and starting to kill Cork too. Limerick will follow.

You could encourage car pooling as a temporary stop gap solution but, knowing Ireland we'll come up with 1001 insurance reasons for it not being possible...

BlinkingLights

One thing that needs to be dealt with with CIE buses is dwell times.

They insist on buying busses with no rear doors or refuse to use them because they're fixated on fare dodging to the point is actually bordering on ridiculous.
This results in passengers not moving on and off very quickly.

Then if you take the system in Cork, they're still taking bank notes and giving change and have limited functionality with Leap Cards that requires interaction with the driver.

The result is a bus will be stuck at a bus stop processing fares causing a tailback. It's very significant in Cork as many streets don't have space to pass.

Basically every single bus company in the world avoids this problem by using proper ticketing and the back door to exit. Many systems operate like the Luas and you can enter and exit through all doors but just have to validate your ticket on board.

CIE however need you to line up and take the longest possible time to board while squeezing past passengers trying to exit through the same door.

Absolute madness!

D0NNELLY

Turpentine wrote: »

Maybe not the buses themselves, but the positioning of bus-stops can be a problem.

An example that springs to mind is the one outside Tesco at Leonard's Corner. No car can drive around them because there's usually not enough space, tends to cause a tailback from both the South Circular Road (City-bound) and from Harold's Cross.

The bus stop at baromhie in swords is just before the start of the bus lane! Traffic backs up into river valley, and also back to Ridgewood.. Who thought of sticking it there is an idiot.

Bonus idiot points for the bike lane just ending. This is a relatively new road.

ChikiChiki

More frequent trains. Better service thats on time with upgraded infrastructure. Connection points with lines criss crossing the city.

People just dont have confidence in public transport and could you blame them.

Shenshen

ChikiChiki wrote: »

More frequent trains. Better service thats on time with upgraded infrastructure. Connection points with lines criss crossing the city.

People just dont have confidence in public transport and could you blame them.

Connection points and integration are vital. And integrated schedules across different modes of public transport (train to bus to luas to ferry or whatever)

COH

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Until a better, faster, cheaper alternative is provided then people will use their car, simple as that.

Motorbikes :cool:

Boom_Bap

D0NNELLY wrote: »

The bus stop at baromhie in swords is just before the start of the bus lane! Traffic backs up into river valley, and also back to Ridgewood.. Who thought of sticking it there is an idiot.

Bonus idiot points for the bike lane just ending. This is a relatively new road.

It's great fun coming in the opposite direction during rush hour when the cars just overtake the buses and don't pay attention to the traffic in the other direction.

Parchment

Motorbikes, scooters and bicycles are the way forward in cities.

I drove a motorbike for years - i stopped as i couldnt afford to have a bike and car. It becamse prohibitively expensive to drive a motorbike here despite my experience going up, no claims etc . I imagine scooters are so expensive to insure too.

Look at Paris/Milan/Rome/ Copenhagen - people cycle/use scooters/motorbikes to get around.

D0NNELLY

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's great fun coming in the opposite direction during rush hour when the cars just overtake the buses and don't pay attention to the traffic in the other direction.

guilty as charged..

Zebra3

Turpentine wrote: »

Maybe not the buses themselves, but the positioning of bus-stops can be a problem.

An example that springs to mind is the one outside Tesco at Leonard's Corner. No car can drive around them because there's usually not enough space, tends to cause a tailback from both the South Circular Road (City-bound) and from Harold's Cross.

Couldn't care less about any inconvenience for cars.