how many know off? Incest

sabat

The most interesting thing about that quote is that the events he describes occurred in Scotland and were committed by Scottish people (and given that his mother was schizophrenic, may not actually have happened.)

sunbeam

lazybones32 wrote: »

I only know of some travelers who marry their cousins: 2nd and 3rd, which is far too close to be allowed legally but the Church accommodates and the State allows.

It is only the church that requires a dispensation. Cousin marriage is legal in Ireland.

aujopimur

Does the dog count?.

Samuel T. Cogley

I hear products of incest cant tell the difference between the word 'of' and 'off'.

darkdubh

This thread reminded me of a case in Scotland from a few years ago.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/brother-and-sister-who-had-sex-in-motherwell-1084260

lazybones32

sunbeam wrote: »

It is only the church that requires a dispensation. Cousin marriage is legal in Ireland.

I didn't think marriage would be allowed between cousins so close though? I know that the Church would allow marriage between close relatives once the woman went past child-bearing age.

Wanderer2010

I know people poke fun at the travellers or certain Counties in Ireland but the truth is stranger than fiction and there have been cases of incest in completely conventional families, where no abuse or history of incest exists. These middle class, highly educated families often contain more than a skeleton or two in the closet. Its a cliché to attribute incest to one or two classes of society.

myshirt

With recent trends and liberalism, there will be a referendum on this in no time.

Same-family marriage. And if you are against it, the lefties will be out in force.

Avatar MIA

I can't exactly remember the logic behind it, but I saw a documentary previously that stated incest would explain the number of descendants (of ancestors) there currently are. And that our antecedents should be far more numerous if not for incest.

I know I'm not explaining it well.

222233

If you consider the debatable "electra complex" (daughter in competition with mother for possession of father). If this theory is indeed true and can be transferred cross-family then perhaps incestuous tendencies where mutual are formed at some point during development... Also the ideology that girls for example look for their father in their partners, maybe in some cases somewhere along the way something happens that causes these inherit traits to become more profound.

lazybones32

myshirt wrote: »

With recent trends and liberalism, there will be a referendum on this in no time.

Same-family marriage. And if you are against it, the lefties will be out in force.

'Hey, if they're not hurting anyone...', 'their body, their choice', 'you can't choose who you're attracted to or fall in love with', 'grá is the law'.

Water John

My understanding was, there was no issue with 2nd and 3rd cousins but needed a church dispensation for 1st cousins.

CrabRevolution

It's pretty clear this guy pulled this "fact" out of his ass as a coping mechanism to try and normalise his situation. I'd imagine it's a tough thing to try and come to terms with in your head. Publicly slandering an entire country isn't the best way to do it though.

222233

myshirt wrote: »

With recent trends and liberalism, there will be a referendum on this in no time.

Same-family marriage. And if you are against it, the lefties will be out in force.

This is true, there will.. maybe not in our lifetime but one day. Although in the future people will probably be grown in labs, completely unique entities. I don't really care who someone falls in love with, once both parties are consenting and stable. In hindsight though the implications for the children born in these kind of relationships are too prominent for me to agree with something like this.

Annasopra

lazybones32 wrote: »

I didn't think marriage would be allowed between cousins so close though? I know that the Church would allow marriage between close relatives once the woman went past child-bearing age.

First cousin marriage is legal in Ireland.

CrabRevolution

I was driven to look up this topic. Seems first cousin marriage is actually legal nearly everywhere. Fewer than 10 countries have an outright ban on it according to this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

A special dispensation is needed to get a Catholic marriage to a relative. 60 years ago, 1 in every 200 Irish marriages needed such a dispensation. I can only imagine it's far fewer now.

http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence_tables

Alf Stewart.

My mate swears blind that he was at a house party a few years ago with his ex. Anyway, he says he passed out on an armchair after too much of the hard stuff.

Says he woke up at 4/5 in the morning to witness a porno playing on the tv, and his (ex) girlfriend, wearing not a washer, canoodling with another lad on the sofa, who was gleefully sucking and fondling her breasts. While she was chatting on his microphone.

He says he got up, asked them wtf was going on, they replied by jeering and mocking him. He then said he walked home, all eight miles.


Problem was, the lad in question and his ex girlfriend were brother and sister. I know both, and they're from quite a respectful family, and both have fairly decent high paying jobs.

Takes all sorts I suppose.

Littlehorny

Know of a girl who had a relationship with her Uncle (her fathers brother) and had a couple of kids for him over the course of a few years.

Wibbs

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

My mate swears blind that he was at a house party a few years ago with his ex....

I have heard that or similar tales of brother sister shenanigans at parties since I was a nipper. The videotape element came along about the 90's from what I recall. No doubt for younger folks there's a version where such couplings are seen on the interwebs.

Alf Stewart.

Wibbs wrote: »

I have heard that or similar tales of brother sister shenanigans at parties since I was a nipper. The videotape element came along about the 90's from what I recall. No doubt for younger folks there's a version where such couplings are seen on the interwebs.

Ah in fairness wibbs, this bloke was one of my closest friends, as honest and decent fella as you could ever wish to meet.

He has told me some other stories about that hag he used to be engaged to, and there's no doubt in my mind that he was telling me the truth.

Haven't seen him in years through a combination of me living abroad, and then moving away from home when I came back to Ireland. But I believe hes a wino on the streets of London these days, this was a lad with some seeious academic qualifications btw. Their break up contributed to that, no doubt in my mind at all. Such a waste.

I cry a little when I see how incapable so many native speakers of English are at putting a very simple sentence in English together. It really should not be tolerated.

Alf Stewart.

Deleted User wrote: »

I cry a little when I see how incapable so many native speakers of English are at putting a very simple sentence in English together. It really should not be tolerated.

I lol a little when I see someone who obviously is lucky enough to have shag all going on in their life, that they get upset at anonymous internet posters grammatical imperfections on a messaging board.

Alf Stewart.

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I lol a little when I see someone who obviously is lucky enough to have shag all going on in their life, that they get upset at anonymous internet posters grammatical imperfections on a messaging board.

There are "grammatical imperfections", and then there are people so lazy they are incapable of composing a simple, single comprehensible sentence to communicate clearly. Reading should be a pleasure, not torture - especially when the person has volunteered to write. It's laziness, and nothing else.

Alf Stewart.

Deleted User wrote: »

There are "grammatical imperfections", and then there are people so lazy they are incapable of composing a simple, single comprehensible sentence to communicate clearly. Reading should be a pleasure, not torture - especially when the person has volunteered to write. It's laziness, and nothing else.

My advice. Don't use Twitter.

suicide_circus

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

My mate swears blind that he was at a house party a few years ago with his ex. Anyway, he says he passed out on an armchair after too much of the hard stuff.

Says he woke up at 4/5 in the morning to witness a porno playing on the tv, and his (ex) girlfriend, wearing not a washer, canoodling with another lad on the sofa, who was gleefully sucking and fondling her breasts. While she was chatting on his microphone.

He says he got up, asked them wtf was going on, they replied by jeering and mocking him. He then said he walked home, all eight miles.


Problem was, the lad in question and his ex girlfriend were brother and sister. I know both, and they're from quite a respectful family, and both have fairly decent high paying jobs.

Takes all sorts I suppose.

What kind of microphone was this?

Alf Stewart.

suicide_circus wrote: »

What kind of microphone was this?

It was a euphemism for cock.

Avatar MIA

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Says he woke up at 4/5 in the morning to witness a porno playing on the tv, and his (ex) girlfriend, wearing not a washer, canoodling with another lad on the sofa, who was gleefully sucking and fondling her breasts. While she was chatting on his microphone.

They'd want to be fairly saggy breasts for that scenario to be possible. Unless, the minx was actually chatting on his microphone, which begs the question already asked...

What kind of microphone?

Elemonator

Candie wrote: »

This Byrne guy even refers to his mothers long struggle with mental illness, but still characterizes this story as being a love story.

He seems like the kind of person who has difficulty in connecting the dots.

My name is URL wrote: »

Well he is inbred. Cut him some slack!

If he was anymore inbred, he'd be a sandwich!

I'll get my coat

Yourself isit

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I can't exactly remember the logic behind it, but I saw a documentary previously that stated incest would explain the number of descendants (of ancestors) there currently are. And that our antecedents should be far more numerous if not for incest.

I know I'm not explaining it well.

That's the ancestor paradox and isn't related to incest, however it would mean that countries with small population bottlenecks are fairly well related.