US may attack North Korea first

Looks like the US is turning up the heat on NK

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39297031
The US has said its policy of "strategic patience" with North Korea is over, and suggested it may decide to take pre-emptive military action.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the option was "on the table" if the threat from the North's weapons programme reached a level requiring it.

During a visit to South Korea, he also said the US was exploring a range of new diplomatic and economic measures.

He also defended the deployment of a US missile system in South Korea.

The move has angered China, but South Korea and the US say the system is needed to defend against North Korea.

Mr Tillerson spoke shortly after visiting the demilitarised zone which divides the two Koreas.

He arrived in South Korea from Japan, where he said that 20 years of efforts aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions had failed.

Looks like some of the worst fears of a Trump Administration may be about to come true.

cnocbui

I blame China.

elefant

cnocbui wrote: »

I blame China.

China used to be cool.

Atlantic Dawn

Poor Kim Jong-un, only recently he lost his brother.

CormacOH

I know there's a crazy dictator there with a growing army and nuclear programme and a population/culture we don't fully understand, but enough about The USA.

Omackeral

Send in this one to defuse the tension

archer22

No way is America going in there...NK will fight back big time and like all bullies America will avoid such an opponent and sail on past looking for some weak victim.

Canis Lupus

^^ That glance down to his video feed.

Canis Lupus

archer22 wrote: »

No way is America going in there...NK will fight back big time and like all bullies America will avoid such an opponent and sail on past looking for some weak victim.

What will they fight back with precisely?

archer22

Canis Lupus wrote: »

What will they fight back with precisely?

Do an internet search on North Korean military power and you will find out

Kermit.de.frog

North Korea is best Korea.

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

Do an internet search on North Korean military power and you will find out

Any pre-emptive strike would have to be overwhelmingly massive to avoid any chance of a counter attack, plus it would have to be planned in total secrecy.
A NK retaliation would have no specific target as the world except China is considered hostile by them.

irishgeo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Any pre-emptive strike would have to be overwhelmingly massive to avoid any chance of a counter attack, plus it would have to be planned in total secrecy.
A NK retaliation would have no specific target as the world except China is considered hostile by them.

Seoul is within range of North Korea armies

cnocbui

I'll bet there are more than a few in China today who are ruing helping out N Korea in the Korean war.

hungry hypno toad

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

North Korea is best Korea.

Tell that to the starving masses, I'm sure it will make their miserable existence more tolerable.

alchemist33

Nah, not with the peace-loving Trump we were told about in the election in power.

archer22

cnocbui wrote: »

I'll bet there are more than a few in China today who are ruing helping out N Korea in the Korean war.

They would still do the same today...China's policy is simple, they will not tolerate America troops on their border.
Also the reason America never invaded North Vietnam...they knew what China's reaction would be.

Canis Lupus

archer22 wrote: »

Do an internet search on North Korean military power and you will find out

They've found a way to launch famine at the US?

Tzardine

I am planning on going to NK for Patricks day next year to do a pub crawl. (Seriously).

A war would be very inconvenient for my travel plans.

archer22

Canis Lupus wrote: »

They've found a way to launch famine at the US?

Yeah the same as US launched famine on them with sanctions :mad:

cnocbui

archer22 wrote: »

Yeah the same as US launched famine on them with sanctions :mad:

Cut out the nonsense, please.

Guy:Incognito

Love all the posters that wont have a bad word said about any despot that's unfriendly to the US. Bet most would take their holidays in DisneyWorld long before 2 week sun holiday in Pyongyang.

SEPT 23 1989

Finally an invasion we can all agree on

jacksie66

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Guy:Incognito

jacksie66 wrote: »

America. Telling the world what they can and can't do for generations.

If we were the likely targets for their nukes, would you be looking for Enda to do something or sit and wait till he sees one through the velux in Leinster House?

archer22

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Love all the posters that wont have a bad word said about any despot that's unfriendly to the US. Bet most would take their holidays in DisneyWorld long before 2 week sun holiday in Pyongyang.

Yeah we are only supposed to have good words for the legions of despots that are friendly to the US.

"DisneyWorld" :eek: Pyongyang would be a thousand times more interesting and educational than that plastic loud garbage.

hungry hypno toad

archer22 wrote: »

Yeah the same as US launched famine on them with sanctions :mad:

I wonder would NK have the money for food if they didn't spend billions on a nuclear program...

super_furry

I'd put money on Trump invading a country on a major scale before the next election. It's the only thing that could get him re-elected.

Avatar MIA

Deleted User wrote: »

Any pre-emptive strike would have to be overwhelmingly massive ...

Taking out Kim would be a minimum. After that, and I think you'd seem some very relieved and grateful cronies.

Jelle1880

Deleted User wrote: »

Any pre-emptive strike would have to be overwhelmingly massive to avoid any chance of a counter attack, plus it would have to be planned in total secrecy.
A NK retaliation would have no specific target as the world except China is considered hostile by them.

Seoul. NK can't flatten it, but a few hundred thousand artillery rounds would be possible.

The_Valeyard

looks like the US is playing North Korea at their own game. They have been taunting the west for years, videos of New York under nuclear attack, nuclear weapons testing, artillery strikes on a South Korean island, sinking of a sub, threatening destruction. What did they think would happen.

hungry hypno toad

jacksie66 wrote: »

America. Telling the world what they can and can't do for generations.

Yet we have the 'liberals' complaining that the US will be more isolationist under Trump with foreign aid cut backs and less UN involvement. Really can't win with some people.

Hande hoche!

super_furry wrote: »

I'd put money on Trump invading a country on a major scale before the next election. It's the only thing that could get him re-elected.

He could take a leaf out of Clinton's book and blow up an aspirin factory.

archer22

The_Valeyard wrote: »

looks like the US is playing North Korea at their own game. They have been taunting the west for years, videos of New York under nuclear attack, nuclear weapons testing, artillery strikes on a South Korean island, sinking of a sub, threatening destruction. What did they think would happen.

None of those areas are "west" they are east and south of NK

hungry hypno toad

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Taking out Kim would be a minimum. After that, and I think you'd seem some very relieved and grateful cronies.

Not sure about that, anyone currently in a position of power in NK would surely fear what the people would do to them if they lost power - expect thousands to be executed by the people, at a minimum. The same people who have lived in poverty, famine, fear for decades won't forget who enforced the dictators wishes.

daheff

Awesome


Now to get CNN/SKY News in HD

archer22

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

Not sure about that, anyone currently in a position of power in NK would surely fear what the people would do to them if they lost power - expect thousands to be executed by the people, at a minimum. The same people who have lived in poverty, famine, fear for decades won't forget who enforced the dictators wishes.

Here we go again believing western propaganda...all the oppressed people waiting for whitey to bring his" freedom and democracy"
Reality is rightly or wrongly they adore "beloved leader" and will fight like demons for him..if whitey is expecting flowers there he will get a rude reality check when bouquets turn out to be grenades.

Avatar MIA

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

The same people who have lived in poverty, famine, fear for decades won't forget who enforced the dictators wishes.

Nah, they are as likely to rise up post Kim as they are now. I'd fully expect totalitarian rule to continue, just less fear of the leaders being done away in a gruesome manner at the 'Whim of Kim'.

The_Valeyard

archer22 wrote: »

None of those areas are "west" they are east and south of NK

It's the general term for US and it's allies and you know it.

Eire Go Brach

Sure NK have every right to be ready and armed. USA are bullies. Invading who they like. NK have every right to defend themselves.

hungry hypno toad

archer22 wrote: »

Here we go again believing western propaganda...all the oppressed people waiting for whitey to bring his" freedom and democracy"
Reality is rightly or wrongly they adore "beloved leader" and will fight like demons for him..if whitey is expecting flowers there he will get a rude reality check when bouquets turn out to be grenades.

Yeah, that explains the estimated 200,000 political prisoners. They probably loved the leader too much, right?

hungry hypno toad

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Sure NK have every right to be ready and armed. USA are bullies. Invading who they like. NK have every right to defend themselves.

While they starve. Seems a fair trade off.

Jelle1880

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Seoul. NK can't flatten it, but a few hundred thousand artillery rounds would be possible.

I was referring to the probability that NK would attack ALL it's enemies in retaliation of a US strike.

Gatling

archer22 wrote: »

Do an internet search on North Korean military power and you will find out

Sure didn't Kim single handedly win the last FIFA world cup ,

I'm sure he could beat america with one hand behind his back ,

cnocbui

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

Sure NK have every right to be ready and armed. USA are bullies. Invading who they like. NK have every right to defend themselves.

Ah, defending themselves, that must be why they launched those missiles aimed at Japan, because of the incessant Japanese aggression and threats these past few years.

Pull the other one.

Fleawuss

Of course it would be a short conflict. Of course it wouldn't escalate. Of course they would all be home for Christmas. Those masters of military strategy and geopolitics Trump and Pence and Bannon have it planned and measured to a millimeter.

The first declaration of war via Twitter.

david75

'He also defended the deployment of a US missile system in South Korea.'

But the US would be fine if Mexico planted loads of missiles on their border..


Riiiight

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

Here we go again believing western propaganda...all the oppressed people waiting for whitey to bring his" freedom and democracy"
Reality is rightly or wrongly they adore "beloved leader" and will fight like demons for him..if whitey is expecting flowers there he will get a rude reality check when bouquets turn out to be grenades.

The people of NK have only one source of information, their own government's version of the truth. Those people are educated to hate the rest of the world and yes, they'll fight.

hungry hypno toad

david75 wrote: »

'He also defended the deployment of a US missile system in South Korea.'

But the US would be fine if Mexico planted loads of missiles on their border..


Riiiight

Yeah, because the US repeatedly threatens to nuke Mexico. Pull the other one.

Mr. Incognito

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

hungry hypno toad

Fleawuss wrote: »

Of course it would be a short conflict. Of course it wouldn't escalate. Of course they would all be home for Christmas. Those masters of military strategy and geopolitics Trump and Pence and Bannon have it planned and measured to a millimeter.

The first declaration of war via Twitter.

Twitter is probably banned in NK, although I'm sure Kim and his cronies have access.