Victim Blaming

RicePat

There's a bit of a furore over a Tweet the PSNI put out last night.

https://www.joe.ie/news/pic-psni-tweet-tells-women-not-get-raped-weekend-581690

"If you’re going out this weekend put your safety first. Don’t overindulge, stay with your friends and get home safely. #StaySafe pic.twitter.com/QBEGORCTHv

— PSNI Newry & Mourne (@PSNINewry) March 15, 2017"

There seems to be a split between whether this is sensible advice that everyone should listen to or "victim blaming."

I cannot for the life of me see how this could be considered anything close to victim blaming. It seems like a plea for all people (not just women, which seems to be what those crying victim blaming are implying) to look after themselves and their friends.

Does anybody genuinely think there's anything wrong with this Tweet?

xabi

Where does it say in the tweet that its aimed at women? Looks like the usual Joe crap twisting it to cause outrage.

D0NNELLY

Of course there's not

D0NNELLY

Do the trolls actually want the psni to tweet the criminals? Doubt they'd listen.

Raging_Ninja

If you're relying on somebody else to look after you and you're not a child or disabled, you've gone fairly wrong in life.

It doesn't say anything about women or rape or sexual assaults in that tweet?

_Brian

Asking people to take sensible precautions isn't victim blaming it's helping people not become victims in the first place.

That's like saying that by me installing cctv and an alarm that it's my fault my neighbors house is robbed because they have neither.

biko

Only outrage merchants would be able to read something bad into that.

blue note

There should be an additional options in the poll for yes in relation to women, but not in relation to men.

I think that tweet is highly offensive. They should instead have tweeted "please remember guys, don't rape anyone this weekend." Men have created a culture already where rape is a socially acceptable every day occurrence so even when they don't rape people themselves, they are still responsible for others who do. Women have played no part in the creation of society so are responsible for nothing.

Maximus Alexander

blue note wrote: »

There should be an additional options in the poll for yes in relation to women, but not in relation to men.

I think that tweet is highly offensive. They should instead have tweeted "please remember guys, don't rape anyone this weekend." Men have created a culture already where rape is a socially acceptable every day occurrence so even when they don't rape people themselves, they are still responsible for others who do. Women have played no part in the creation of society so are responsible for nothing.

This falls foul of Poe's Law.

RicePat

bubblypop wrote: »

It doesn't say anything about women or rape or sexual assaults in that tweet?

Exactly, it seems to be certain individuals and groups on the radio making this implication themselves.

seamus

Being drunk and alone massively increases your risk of getting accidentally injured or dying.

That's basically what they're saying - don't get too drunk, stick with your mates, and don't take risks getting yourself home. Then you're less likely to be found lying face down in a canal.

Seems obvious that some idiot at Joe.ie has decided to read the tweet in one very specific way and get really annoyed about something that it doesn't actually say.

blue note

blue note wrote: »

There should be an additional options in the poll for yes in relation to women, but not in relation to men.

I think that tweet is highly offensive. They should instead have tweeted "please remember guys, don't rape anyone this weekend." Men have created a culture already where rape is a socially acceptable every day occurrence so even when they don't rape people themselves, they are still responsible for others who do. Women have played no part in the creation of society so are responsible for nothing.

It doesn't say anything about women or rape or anything like it?

Lau2976

I can see how this could be offensive. Victims are often faced with questions about these things when reporting a rape after a night out.

"How much had you to drink?" "Why were you alone?" "Where were your friends" "Why did you go home with that guy?" "Why didn't someone walk you home?" Etc.

I don't read it that way tbh, and I think it applies to anybody but I can see why some would see it that way.

jimgoose

blue note wrote: »

There should be an additional options in the poll for yes in relation to women, but not in relation to men.

I think that tweet is highly offensive. They should instead have tweeted "please remember guys, don't rape anyone this weekend." Men have created a culture already where rape is a socially acceptable every day occurrence so even when they don't rape people themselves, they are still responsible for others who do. Women have played no part in the creation of society so are responsible for nothing.

Worthy of the great Godfrey Elfwick xirself. I salute!

ScumLord

seamus wrote: »

Being drunk and alone massively increases your risk of getting accidentally injured

Maybe, but at least nobody see's you made a fool of yourself.

Your Face

You'd think the ballbag that wrote this would be too embarrassed to put his name and photo to the article.

valoren

It's like when you work in an office and the day of the Christmas or Summer party, HR send a company wide email re-iterating the company policy of a code of conduct.

They might as well say, "Please refrain from getting so **** faced that you vomit all over the receptionist. Or get so drunk that you get into a loud argument with a potted plant. Or that you think setting off the fire alarm at 4am is funny. It isn't. The only thing that will be 'fired' will be you".

RicePat

blue note wrote: »

There should be an additional options in the poll for yes in relation to women, but not in relation to men.

I think that tweet is highly offensive. They should instead have tweeted "please remember guys, don't rape anyone this weekend." Men have created a culture already where rape is a socially acceptable every day occurrence so even when they don't rape people themselves, they are still responsible for others who do. Women have played no part in the creation of society so are responsible for nothing.

Was gonna respond to this but then I realised it was a pisstake. Im an idiot. Still though, it's not that far off from some of the replies various news sites carrying this have gotten on facebook

freshpopcorn

I've friends both male and female who'd I'd be concerned about after a night out simply because of how drunk they get and how much of a danger they'd be to themselves ie falling over on the street or out in front of traffic or taking stupid risks. Great Tweet in my opinion. People need to look out for themselves and their friend more!

There aren't many things that drive me nuts but "victim blaming" does. I read the tweet to mean simply stay safe. How anyone can interpret more than that baffles me.

I'm not going to walk down any dark lanes wearing only a small towel or even fully clothed. Nor am I going to leave my car unlocked with a laptop and phone in full view.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

RicePat

Deleted User wrote: »

There aren't many things that drive me nuts but "victim blaming" does. I read the tweet to mean simply stay safe. How anyone can interpret more than that baffles me.

I'm not going to walk down any dark lanes wearing only a small towel or even fully clothed. Nor am I going to leave my car unlocked with a laptop and phone in full view.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

And even if you did the fault would lay 100% with the person who assaulted you or stole your property.

But as you say, that still doesn't mean you shouldn't take reasonable precautions for your own safety

suicide_circus

advice directed at everyone: good

advice directed at girls: victim blaming

Wildcard7

suicide_circus wrote: »

advice directed at everyone: good

advice directed at girls: victim blaming

Advice directed at everyone: good
Advice directed at girls: still good
Advice directed at actual victims (people who have been attacked/molested/whatevered): Victim blaming. It's not helpful - the question "would it still have happened if you hadn't been so drunk/scantily clad" can't be answered and it wouldn't legitimate what happened anyway.

suicide_circus

Wildcard7 wrote: »

Advice directed at everyone: good
Advice directed at girls: still good
Advice directed at actual victims (people who have been attacked/molested/whatevered): Victim blaming. It's not helpful - the question "would it still have happened if you hadn't been so drunk/scantily clad" can't be answered and it wouldn't legitimate what happened anyway.

That sounds fair but is not consistent with what actually happens

RicePat

Wildcard7 wrote: »

Advice directed at everyone: good
Advice directed at girls: still good
Advice directed at actual victims (people who have been attacked/molested/whatevered): Victim blaming. It's not helpful - the question "would it still have happened if you hadn't been so drunk/scantily clad" can't be answered and it wouldn't legitimate what happened anyway.

Of course not. But that's not what's happening here and not what's happening 90% of the time someone cries "victim blaming."

Wildcard7

RicePat wrote: »

Of course not. But that's not what's happening here and not what's happening 90% of the time someone cries "victim blaming."

I'm only expressing the way I see it.

The current trend of everyone being offended at everything is different cup of tea.

lawred2

RicePat wrote: »

There's a bit of a furore over a Tweet the PSNI put out last night.

https://www.joe.ie/news/pic-psni-tweet-tells-women-not-get-raped-weekend-581690

"If you’re going out this weekend put your safety first. Don’t overindulge, stay with your friends and get home safely. #StaySafe pic.twitter.com/QBEGORCTHv

— PSNI Newry & Mourne (@PSNINewry) March 15, 2017"

There seems to be a split between whether this is sensible advice that everyone should listen to or "victim blaming."

I cannot for the life of me see how this could be considered anything close to victim blaming. It seems like a plea for all people (not just women, which seems to be what those crying victim blaming are implying) to look after themselves and their friends.

Does anybody genuinely think there's anything wrong with this Tweet?

since when was advice given by every parent/guardian to every son & daughter since time began victim blaming?

The Oort Cloud

It seems to me like wise advice. I don't get the victim blaming notion to be honest.

Junkyard Tom

Joe.ie is playin' y'all for clicks yo.

johnnyskeleton

The only politically correct non rape culture non victim blaming message would be:

Alcohol exists in the world. Consume it to excess. Or not. Its up to you. We dont care. Sorry we even tweeted

Is he the guy who was on the Louise O Neill show about rape culture who was talking about how bad men were?