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Undocumented versus Illegal Immigrants

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  • #32
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Official Ireland calls them undocumented

    The official Ireland who failed generation after generation

    None of their people left unless they wanted to


  • #33
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,474 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I don't like the term illegal immigrant. What theyre doing may be illegal, but calling a person illegal is demeaning and dehumanising, a person themselves cannot be illegal

    It's not demeaning and dehumanising... however attitudes like this are designed to try and suggest that they're "not REALLY doing anything wrong" and thus attempt to muddy the waters about the actual offence they're committing.

    Besides, the key is in the WHOLE term "illegal immigrant".. it's not the person themselves that's "illegal" - it's the act of them staying/entering the country without the appropriate permissions that's illegal, and for that they should be turfed out be they Irish, Mexican, African or whatever!

    There's enough legitimate ways to apply to legally/legitimately live and work in most counties... let them use one of those.


  • #34
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Teebor15 wrote: »
    With regards to the US, why are Mexicans regarded as "Illegal Immigrants" whereas us Irish are described as "Undocumented"...whats the difference?

    Similar reason why 'western' immigrants are often cringe-inducingly referred to as ex-pats, is my guess.

    The ex-pat thing is blatantly​ obvious though if you look at the name it refers to citizens abroad.

    A black English dude working Arveto or somebody transferred to India to manage a IT center is an ex-pat.

    A White Romanian builder moving to England without a job secured is a migrant.

    Maybe the Romanians would call him an ex pat though


  • #35
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    humanji wrote: »
    From what I've half-remembered from the interwebs, Undocumented Immigrant is the proper term. "Illegal" refers to an act, not a person. So there isn't really any such thing as an illegal immigrant, they only immigrated illegally. And many won't have actually immigrated illegally. A person who has overstayed a VISA hasn't immigrated illegally. But they are now an undocumented immigrant.

    I think that's possibly close to what I may have read somewhere, and am too lazy to Google it.

    You're not far off. Being unlawfully in the country is not a criminal offence (Getting in can be, depending on how you did it). It is, however, a civil offence, enforceable by the government. So it's still illegal, just not criminal.


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