Cocaine popularity on the rise

12gauge dave

Ive noticed as of late that cocaine use is on the rise big time in my area and i live in co.mayo so i imagine its even more prevelant in more urban areas. People i thought would never touch it and who looked down on others for doing it love it now themselves. It seems to be socially acceptable now in most social circles its lost its stigma of oh my god look at that loser doing cocaine theyve gone to the dogs.

Grayditch

Seems to be a great drug for boring bastards with no personality or anything interesting to say.

12gauge dave

Grayditch wrote: »

Seems to be a great drug for boring bastards with no personality or anything interesting to say.

It does make people talk dribble and think they are saying something very important

DEFTLEFTHAND

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

A junkie is nothing, a person who has failed at life.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

Surely it depends on the level of addiction.

I know a few who will smoke the odd joint, take an E, even do the odd line of coke and they seem happy and successful.

Last week I met a man who has just lost his wife, house and child, because of alcohol. He was also on his way to getting a handy criminal record, because of his tendency to threaten the ex when drunk.

ChikiChiki

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

A junkie is nothing, a person who has failed at life.

Not excusing it at all but there are many successful people who use cocaine, sometimes in the workplace even.

The acceptance of it is disgraceful, the stuff disgusts me.

12gauge dave

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Not excusing it at all but there are many successful people who use cocaine, sometimes in the workplace even.

The acceptance of it is disgraceful, the stuff disgusts me.

Can i ask you why you think it is disgraceful and disgusting?

topmanamillion

The first thing that came to mind when I read the thread title

ChikiChiki

12gauge dave wrote: »

Can i ask you why you think it is disgraceful and disgusting?

Sure thing, the bloodshed that comes with it, especially in the source countries. An example of this being over 100,000 people have been murdered in Mexico by cartels since 2007. The most high profile gang in Ireland source their coke from Mexico. Users here are creating the market for this indirectly whether they want to believe it or choose not to. They are playing a part.

The images from Mexico are harrowing. Kids getting murdered, busloads of students killed for protesting against cartels, whole families wiped out because one member had a drug debt etc.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Yes there are outliers and exceptions to every rule.

The majority of druggies I associated with were losers and still are. We used have to a private members club in UL called "Natural Born Losers." Might identify myself to people with that. :pac:

I did my undergrad, got off the sh1t, kept my smokes and drink and achieved in life. I didn't want to waste away my 20s like the rest of that crowd did.

I wanted to go out there and make money.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The majority of druggies I associated with were losers and still are. We used have to a private members club in UL called "Natural Born Losers."...

Are you saying people in UL did drugs?

The rumour in UCC 20 years back was that you had to bring in a note from your parents if you missed a lecture in UL...;)

JupiterKid

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes there are outliers and exceptions to every rule.

The majority of druggies I associated with were losers and still are. We used have to a private members club in UL called "Natural Born Losers." Might identify myself to people with that. :pac:

I did my undergrad, got off the sh1t, kept my smokes and drink and achieved in life. I didn't want to waste away my 20s like the rest of that crowd did.

I wanted to go out there and make money.

Well, I know plenty of people who dabble in drugs are are very successful. Anyhow, How do you define success? If your definition of success for a man is having a wife and children to support then you have a very narrow view of success indeed.

I'm gay, I don't have a wife and children. Does that make me a failure?:rolleyes:

And you do know that alcohol destroys more lives and families than all illegal drugs put together, right?

I occasionally dabble in drugs, but not cocaine. It's a waste of money. And alcohol is the most dangerous drug of all IMO.

12gauge dave

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Sure thing, the bloodshed that comes with it, especially in the source countries. An example of this being over 100,000 people have been murdered in Mexico by cartels since 2007. The most high profile gang in Ireland source their coke from Mexico. Users here are creating the market for this indirectly whether they want to believe it or choose not to. They are playing a part.

The images from Mexico are harrowing. Kids getting murdered, busloads of students killed for protesting against cartels, whole families wiped out because one member had a drug debt etc.

This then leads to the fact that its because its illegal that the bloodshed is happening. Giving the power to cartels and criminals.

DEFTLEFTHAND

It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight.

Being successful in life means having a life.

Not living with family and being strung out on heroin like a college mate of mine. Living in a dreamland.

A guy who will turn 29 this year and has wasted his best years on drugs.

This is not about being fond of a drink or being a smoker.

I never dropped those habits and I succeded in life. The key is never to get hooked on hardcore sh1t. Never become an addict.

I don't care who you are, it will destroy your life.

Interesting that I see this thread, I was only thinking the same thing recently. There seems to be a much more nonchalant attitude to its use now than 10 years ago at the tail end of the Celtic tiger. I used to associate a high level of taboo with it, like if I heard of some of my peers taking it when I was in my late teens I had these feelings of "wooah, that's so taboo, like look how advanced and grown up they are now.. do they not know how taboo I find it?" or something. I also had disturbing connotations of associating it with the new, over indulged, hedonistic, dickhead Ireland, the change that occurred in the Irish people during the 2000s that was the reason we went from the Europeans voting for us in Eurovision every year in the 90s to coming near bottom every year.. we just became detestable, arrogant, thinking we were big shots. Now I am just blunted to hearing about people using it - although I suppose some of the above connotations still linger a little.
I never have and never would take cocaine - in addition to the negative connotations I have in my head about the kind of people I imagine use it and the criminal activity and ruined lives associated with its supply chain, I also think it's very foolish to take something so potentially addictive.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A guy who will turn 29 this year and has wasted his best years on drugs...

Woah woah.

A guy who is 28 may not even reached his best years, let alone wasted them or be "a failure at life".

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely it depends on the level of addiction.

I know a few who will smoke the odd joint, take an E, even do the odd line of coke and they seem happy and successful.

Last week I met a man who has just lost his wife, house and child, because of alcohol. He was also on his way to getting a handy criminal record, because of his tendency to threaten the ex when drunk.

By the very nature of addiction? Means that you will start needing more and more, then more. As the body gets used to it.

So your argument is that because alcohol is bad cocaine is ok?

"seem"?

B.A._Baracus

I have no idea why someone would snort cocaine.
Say what you want about booze or the fags but at least they are produced in factories with some sort of care (even if in truth, it's not that much)

With coke it's produced in some farm in the middle of no-where in south america using gasoline to break down the leaves. Not to mention the local drug dealer cutting it with crap before you snort it up your nose.

con___manx1

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

A junkie is nothing, a person who has failed at life.

Nothing wrong with doing a bit a few times a year .
Doing it every weekend is a different story all together.
People take drugs for different reasons. Some do it for the high and others do it for an escape from reality.
The people who are trying to escape from reality are usually the ones with the problem of regular use.
Don't be so quick to judge.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

So your argument is that because alcohol is bad cocaine is ok?

"seem"?

No, my point is that the junkie is as representative, or unrepresentative, of drug culture as the alcoholic is of drink culture. Both are at the extreme end. And neither is a failure at life, I don't even rate life by success or money. For me it's more about personal happiness, I know people who are happy and take drugs, who are happy and drink, who make lots of money and who make little.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Deleted User wrote: »

Woah woah.

A guy who is 28 may not even reached his best years, let alone wasted them or be "a failure at life".

What do you propose for a heroin user with a History, Politics, Sociology and Social Science from the UL Arts Department.

What's he going do?

I'm not saying his life is over but he is at a big disadvantage for his wasted years. A bullsh1t Arts Degree and no work experience to speak of.

Years doing H living off the state.

Unemployable unless he does a complete 180 in his life.

stimpson

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

This is not about being fond of a drink or being a smoker.

I never dropped those habits and I succeded in life. The key is never to get hooked on hardcore sh1t. Never become an addict.

I don't care who you are, it will destroy your life.

Serious bang of hypocrisy off this thread.

Winterlong

Cocaine is yesterdays news. Spice is where it is at for the real down and outs.

xabi

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

A junkie is nothing, a person who has failed at life.

Dising one drug and promoting other more destructive drugs instead, Jesus wept.

GhostyMcGhost

ChikiChiki wrote: »

The images from Mexico are harrowing. Kids getting murdered, busloads of students killed for protesting against cartels, whole families wiped out because one member had a drug debt etc.

Not to mention people being murdered and strung up on motorway bridges for all to see

Just even watch Narcos and some of the crazy **** that happened

Every single person with that dirt up their nose is in some way responsible for what goes on

Same with ticket touts, rich Nigerian princes etc.... they only exist because there's a market

Mr.Plough

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I have no idea why someone would snort cocaine.

Snort some good coke and you'll have an idea.

Chancer3001

Cocaine is great for energy but it's overpriced and no manufacturing standards due to its illegality.

High horse people saying there's too much bloodshed around it are talking out their ass. There's bloodshed around diamonds, I guarantee there's diamond earrings or engagement rings in their lives. I also guarantee they woukdnt turn down a trip to America. Bloodshed and torture around the world. Nonsense.

Ben Gadot

It does seem to be accepted more. I've no time for it but don't feel comfortable speaking about it when before I did.

Anyone doing it with health issues is a ****ing clown though I will say that. One bloke I know who does it was recently diagnosed with a heart issue.

I looked at him in bemusement without saying anything when he suggested it was a family issue.

rgace

Grayditch wrote: »

Seems to be a great drug for boring bastards with no personality or anything interesting to say.

I hear this a lot but in my experience boring bastards hammered drunk talk just as much if not more rubbish than boring lads doing coke

Surreptitious

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What do you propose for a heroin user with a History, Politics, Sociology and Social Science from the UL Arts Department.

What's he going do?

I'm not saying his life is over but he is at a big disadvantage for his wasted years. A bullsh1t Arts Degree and no work experience to speak of.

Years doing H living off the state.

Unemployable unless he does a complete 180 in his life.

You can get plenty work from Social Science. You've the guy dead and buried already. Fair play to him for having a degree anyway. The begrudgery is strong in this one.

gw80

Winterlong wrote: »

Cocaine is yesterdays news. Spice is where it is at for the real down and outs.

You mean spice boxes right,
The country gone made on em i tell ya

StupidLikeAFox

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

Were you born in the 50s?

GhostyMcGhost

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Cocaine is great for energy but it's overpriced and no manufacturing standards due to its illegality.

High horse people saying there's too much bloodshed around it are talking out their ass. There's bloodshed around diamonds, I guarantee there's diamond earrings or engagement rings in their lives. I also guarantee they woukdnt turn down a trip to America. Bloodshed and torture around the world. Nonsense.

Except blood diamonds are plainly illegal and the diamond industry is legal and regulated. Yes you can get some on the black market along with rhino horns but that's not where the vast majority of people shop for wedding rings

I abhor violence in America as much as violence in Dublin and everywhere else in this country

Make no mistake about it, the Kinahan feud is caused by? Yup, drugs

As are a hell of a lot of murders in the US

xzanti

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

.

Yes, a real man pisses his money away on beer and destroys his body with cigarettes that's a real man right thur.

Seriously though, I know lots of very hard working people, some who own their own businesses who do coke the odd weekend.

Not condoning it, just making the point that drug use does not equate to being a waster.

Every situation is different. Alcohol is just as harmful when it's abused.

Samuel T. Cogley

12gauge dave wrote: »

It does make people talk dribble and think they are saying something very important

That might just be the beer TBH.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Sure thing, the bloodshed that comes with it, especially in the source countries. An example of this being over 100,000 people have been murdered in Mexico by cartels since 2007. The most high profile gang in Ireland source their coke from Mexico. Users here are creating the market for this indirectly whether they want to believe it or choose not to. They are playing a part.

The images from Mexico are harrowing. Kids getting murdered, busloads of students killed for protesting against cartels, whole families wiped out because one member had a drug debt etc.

I was going to say it's not drug that have done this but the war on drugs, however in fairness any lucrative commodity will always have violence around it unfortunately, one only needs to look at precious metals diamonds etc.

While I agree with your sentiment that one should 'boycott' it because of the issues you've raised. The prohibitionists have to realise they've blood on their hands with this. Prohibition never works and is merely a vehicle to generate rhetoric and votes.

SEPT 23 1989

Things are booming again that's why that stuff is back with a bang

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

You'd be very surprised at some of those who do use it. It seems to be huge in certain professional circles

fepper

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You'd be very surprised at some of those who do use it. It seems to be huge in certain professional circles

Everything is based on instant gratification now and coke up there with casual sex, drink etc,people feel they deserve a good time all the time

MadDog76

On the rise? When was it in decline??

There's a lot of media propaganda swallowed up by sheep people who've never experienced recreational drug use .......... the majority of people who used Ecstasy in their late teens, Coke in their early 20's etc. have had zero negative consequences but the media/Government want you to believe that they all ended up as strung-out Heroin addicts while you sip away on your delicious, highly taxed, pint.

stimpson

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Make no mistake about it, the Kinahan feud is caused by? Yup, drugs

The irony is that if the drugs were legal the gangs would be out of business. The drugs are not the problem but their legal status.

Samuel T. Cogley

fepper wrote: »

Everything is based on instant gratification now and coke up there with casual sex, drink etc,people feel they deserve a good time all the time

Why not?

All of those things are freakin' awesome. If you can do all those things, not hurt anyone (bar yourself) and hold down a job more power to you.

fepper

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Why not?

All of those things are freakin' awesome. If you can do all those things, not hurt anyone (bar yourself) and hold down a job more power to you.

I agree

One eyed Jack

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No you're still a loser if you do drugs. I knew many in my time in UL. They were losers then and losers now. Weak people doing Arts Degrees. I broke out of their word when I got sense. I wanted to be succesful in life not a dreamer or loser.

A real man drinks his beer, smokes his cig and goes to work in the morning to support his wife and children.

That's a man's function in life.

A junkie is nothing, a person who has failed at life.

Jesus, the bang of up your own rear end off this! :pac:

Grayditch

"...but...but...alcohol is worse" - cokeheads.

xabi

Grayditch wrote: »

"...but...but...alcohol is worse" - cokeheads.

It is

newacc2015

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Sure thing, the bloodshed that comes with it, especially in the source countries. An example of this being over 100,000 people have been murdered in Mexico by cartels since 2007. The most high profile gang in Ireland source their coke from Mexico. Users here are creating the market for this indirectly whether they want to believe it or choose not to. They are playing a part.

The images from Mexico are harrowing. Kids getting murdered, busloads of students killed for protesting against cartels, whole families wiped out because one member had a drug debt etc.

Many Academics and Economists will tell you the war on drugs is only benefitting the cartels. If you think about the name we have given to drug gangs ie a cartel as they have limited supply to increase price

People want to use drugs and will always to use drugs. We just need to accept that and legalise them. Look at as you say 100k have been murdered by cartels who bring cannabis from Mexico to the US too. Legalising cannabis is starting to hit the cartels hard. By legalising drugs, we can kill of drug gangs. Instead we are trying to guilt users of drugs, rather than accepting their lifestyle choice. Why should someone feel guilty about smoking a joint rather than messing up their brain and lived with alcohol?

David Nutt was paid by the UK Government to look into drugs and the effects of them. He was quietly silenced and fired when his report found most drugs were pretty harmless. He looked at the effects of drugs on the individual and society. MDMA aka pills or ecstasy was found to be less dangerous than horse riding. He found cannabis was pretty safe

On the other hand he found alcohol was the worst drug in the UK. In his opinion it was worse than cocaine. His systematic analysis of all the possible harm done by drugs found alcohol was the most dangerous drug but because it is acceptable in society one seems to care

One eyed Jack

newacc2015 wrote: »

Why should someone feel guilty about smoking a joint rather than messing up their brain and lived with alcohol?

Hardly a like-for-like comparison there now, is it? Why should one person feel guilty about having a pint rather than messing up their brain and lives with drugs?

(It's the same question btw, from the other perspective)

David Nutt was paid by the UK Government to look into drugs and the effects of them. He was quietly silenced and fired when his report found most drugs were pretty harmless.

So he should have been :pac:

(or seeing as you view alcohol as a drug, by your own admission people mess up their brains and lives with it?)

arccosh

I've been out of Ireland 3 years, and it's always been prevalent any time I've been back
I left at the end of the legal high buzz, mephradrone, BZP and all their derivatives, there were loads of people who wouldn't do coke, but readily do legal highs... when the stockpiles of the newly illegal "legal highs" ran out, people naturally turned to whatever they can get their hands on....
only back a few weeks ago, and nearly everyone in the pub of a certain age range was sniffing...
whats more hilarious is the price, 60 - 80 a gram... I can guarantee what they say is coke, is not coke, and people are buying it by the truckload on a night out :-D

_Kaiser_

Grayditch wrote: »

"...but...but...alcohol is worse" - cokeheads.

Indeed.. I know this is AH which has a mostly younger crowd anyway, but every time these threads come up (several times a month), we have the same whataboutery peddled by users to justify their own habit, coupled with the notion that if it was just legalised then everything would be grand!! All those bad pushers and drug gangs will just go away! :rolleyes:

Do drugs, don't do drugs... but stop with the nonsensical attempts to justify it.

listermint

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indeed.. I know this is AH which has a mostly younger crowd anyway, but every time these threads come up (several times a month), we have the same whataboutery peddled by users to justify their own habit, coupled with the notion that if it was just legalised then everything would be grand!! All those bad pushers and drug gangs will just go away! :rolleyes:

Do drugs, don't do drugs... but stop with the nonsensical attempts to justify it.

This post sums it up entirely.

Don't pretend that you sniffing crap up your nose makes you some social warrior about the ills of making drugs illegal. You are murdering families in south America and other regions. Take that to bed with you and enjoy it .

Any of my mates who dream of doing coke on a night out will be dropped in a shot.

I don't have time for that ****e or the ****e that comes out of your clueless mouth when you are on it.

King of the world Wannabees.

batistuta9

Grayditch wrote: »

Seems to be a great drug for boring bastards with no personality or anything interesting to say.

No that's alcohol. cocaine's a helluva drug