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Calahonda52

BEVOC is the Boards EV Owners Community:D
I am the newest member.!
Took delivery of the 171 Leaf today: SV 30kWh/6.6kW/Cold Pack/Metallic/Granny Cable/ boot liner/ scrappage.

The first thing that needs saying is to acknowledge all the help/ideas/suggestions etc that were provided this past few weeks by the guys and gals here.:)

Had a browse through a few posts here and it is interesting to see ideas that would, perhaps in normal times, support a dose of consumer dissonance.

AKA as 'buyer's remorse,' a feeling of guilt associated with doubts about the advisability of a purchase decision that one experiences after making an expensive purchase.

Not so in my case

Nothing much to report on day 1, its a dream to drive, put 100 km up on it just messing around and I have had three stops at three different charge points just to make sure the card I got was working.
All is well on that front.
Have an 05:30 start tomorrow so signing off for now.
ps the OBDLink arrived as well today so will hook that up.

Screen shot of the dash just as I left garage attached

Update: 2/2/17

Left the house at 05:30 this am as normal for my gym session, came back, young lad said when he got up: "Paw: you not go to gym today?".... the sound of silence, just like Red October.:)

Paid insurance: €338 fully comp with no loss of NCB for two claims over 3 years vs €478 turd party on a 20 year old
Paid road tax €120 vs €710
No NCT for 4 years, it was usually two visits so c€80/pa on the last two cars
Sure its nearly self financed at this stage lads & lassies

peposhi

Excellent choice!

Wishing you many happy miles with it!

NIMAN

Best of luck with it, happy motoring.

Keep us potential owners updated with your thoughts on this forum.

unkel

Well wear!

If you don't mind me asking (and it could help others), how much did it set you back all-in on the road?

Soarer

Congratulations!

Would be interested to know why you chose the Leaf over the Ioniq?

Calahonda52

unkel wrote: »

Well wear!

If you don't mind me asking (and it could help others), how much did it set you back all-in on the road?

As you know I did a deal with Nissan over the Airside 24 hr test drive debacle The pre-deal invoice price was €26,290
This is list less €4,000 scrappage plus the add-ons:
metallic, cold pack, granny cable, 6.6 kw on board charger, boot liner.

I know its a lot of shekels, when you look at what the others are doing here 2nd hand from the UK etc ( you could buy two for that price! ) and then the guys here load up with the comments like " Leaf is the fastest depreciating car EVER" .... or will be once the new XXXkWh YYY comes out.:D

However, I am 1000% happy with the whole transaction and the plan is to drive it until either I or it cast off our mortal coils and venture forth into Valhalla, where I am assured there is free charging.
As is evident from the blog in my profile, I nearly did cast them off in 2016 so my perspective is perhaps somewhat different to most of the young turks here.

NIMAN wrote: »

Best of luck with it, happy motoring.

Keep us potential owners updated with your thoughts on this forum.

Thanks, the first insight anyway is that tethered home charging is the only way: the python that is the public cable in the car boot is a "beast" once out of the nice bag!!!
This is also based on two trips to the Rapid DC chargers yesterday, just plug and go!

Soarer wrote: »

Congratulations!

Would be interested to know why you chose the Leaf over the Ioniq?

Simples: more head room and a higher drivers seat position.

Gumbo

Best of luck Honda.
So envious of seeing 200odd in range!

I'm on board Mr. O' Leary's tin can about to take off to Scotland.

Kceire out.
Update later.

peposhi

The 30kW battery cuts off so much of the range anxiety. Which is so important for a new EV driver. Even for the experienced EV drivers who know how to plan trips very well and know where and what time would be spend on a CP.

Would you have any pics?

peposhi

If you are not planning to change car for good - tethered is so much handier than the socket CP. I am now getting a 32Ð socket type but will have the short cable plugged in full time and getting a 10m cable for street charging.

goz83

peposhi wrote: »

The 30kW battery cuts off so much of the range anxiety. Which is so important for a new EV driver. Even for the experienced EV drivers who know how to plan trips very well and know where and what time would be spend on a CP.

Would you have any pics?

I figured if I need extra range inside of a year, I could probably sell whatever Leaf I end up buying for near enough the same money as I am buying for. I doubt it will be an issue for most 24kw drivers, who......like me, will only be doing small miles.

@Honda: Super news and congrats on the shiny new car.

@Kceire: Keep notes on your journey home. The good, the bad & the ugly. Will make for some teatime reading later I hope.

unkel

Calahonda52 wrote: »

As you know I did a deal with Nissan over the Airside 24 hr test drive debacle The pre-deal invoice price was €26,290
This is list less €4,000 scrappage plus the add-ons:
metallic, cold pack, granny cable, 6.6 kw on board charger.

So all-in after your deal was €24k? €25k?

If you're hanging on to the car for a long time, depreciation is really not that important (compared to someone keeping their car for 2 or 3 years), so don't worry about first year depreciation as it's irrelevant to you. And there is something to say for buying brand new. For me it's a one off, never before and probably never again will I buy new. Best of luck with your car

Calahonda52

unkel wrote: »

So all-in after your deal was €24k? €25k?

If you're hanging on to the car for a long time, depreciation is really not that important (compared to someone keeping their car for 2 or 3 years), so don't worry about first year depreciation as it's irrelevant to you. And there is something to say for buying brand new. For me it's a one off, never before and probably never again will I buy new. Best of luck with your car

Yes re the numbers, fully charged:D.

I must say that Nissan Head Office and Barry in Windsor Motors in Belgard did more than I asked for once Head Office was aware of the issues in Airside.

bk

unkel wrote: »

For me it's a one off, never before and probably never again will I buy new. Best of luck with your car

Sure, we will see once the Model 3 lands in Ireland

unkel

I will need to start playing the lotto

Or at least get rid of some of these ankle biters

Calahonda52

Look at home in the driveway, was testing the rear camera.

Nice one, best of luck !

Gumbo

Looks gre5.
I'm still trying to get used to the rear camera, what the lines mean, where I'll end up!
I had parking sensors for years, and now, throw in some fancy tech and it's as if I've never reversed parked in my life.

peposhi

Really nice colour!

Calahonda52

kceire wrote: »

Looks gre5.
I'm still trying to get used to the rear camera, what the lines mean, where I'll end up!
I had parking sensors for years, and now, throw in some fancy tech and it's as if I've never reversed parked in my life.

The first red line, as you reverse, indicates that the rere of car is about 70 cm and the last one is c 40 cm from the wall.
I put a stack of cardboard boxes behind and pushed them back!

Gumbo

Calahonda52 wrote: »

The first red line, as you reverse, indicates that the rere of car is about 70 cm and the last one is c 40 cm from the wall.
I put a stack of cardboard boxes behind and pushed them back!

Yeah I spent some time on you tube last night

11 foot
7 foot
3 foot
1.5 foot

Just have to get used to it now.

slave1

Same colour as mine which arrived yesterday, you've got great taste :P

Calahonda52

No driving today..
It is set up to charge from 23:00 tonight using the onboard timers, it only needs 5% but want to make sure I have it set up right.
Climate control set to have it warmed up at 06:00, again using onboard timers.
Got Leaf Spy Pro to work with the OBDLink LX, this dongle still not working with its own app or from laptop.

Management tasks for next week:
Get spare wheel: will go for space saver rather than the full size wheel.
Get puncture fixed.
Get Nissan Connect EV working.
Plan 265 km [to Kiltealy Co Carlow] return trip for Friday on M9
RCP's in Naas and Carlow out of service so may have to try the Nissan garage in Kilkenny and then eco-drive on the way back

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

No driving today..
It is set up to charge from 23:00 tonight using the onboard timers, it only needs 5% but want to make sure I have it set up right.

I prefer to set "time to leave" rather than a start time. The car then figures out when to start the charge which means the car is at 100% for the minimum amount of time and I'd imagine the battery would be a little warmer as well so more efficient when you start.

Once a week I have a start time set to ensure it completes a full cell balancing.

Calahonda52

KCross wrote: »

I prefer to set "time to leave" rather than a start time. The car then figures out when to start the charge which means the car is at 100% for the minimum amount of time and I'd imagine the battery would be a little warmer as well so more efficient when you start.

Once a week I have a start time set to ensure it completes a full cell balancing.

Will go out and reprogram it !
[so you use the estimated time to set the timer?]

I also have my sub-meter connected up so I can track the power consumed each night: I already had the rig, just had to reposition the Current transformer into my new sub distribution bis which is ready for the ESB MCBo and the my 32A one once I get the charger

peposhi

KCross wrote:

I prefer to set "time to leave" rather than a start time. The car then figures out when to start the charge which means the car is at 100% for the minimum amount of time and I'd imagine the battery would be a little warmer as well so more efficient when you start.

I have set the timer to charge from 23.00 to 18.00. Why? Normally I do not charge during the day so the car is not plugged. Once I get back home, and know the car needs to be charged for the next day, I plug in after 18.00h. With no end timer in the morning there is plenty of time for the cells to balance out. If I need a charge after 18.00, I just disable the timer temporary via the designated button

slave1

Question, must the car be plugged in for the timer climate control to activate?

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Will go out and reprogram it !
[so you use the estimated time to set the timer?]

Set end time to the time you need to leave or to the end of night rate electricity

Leave start time blank and then the car figures out when to start the charge itself.

Calahonda52

slave1 wrote: »

Question, must the car be plugged in for the timer climate control to activate?

I don't think so.
Press the Blue zero emissions button on the console and then climax control and you will see the priority levels for battery charge level vs Climate control which are designed to stop battery depletion at the expense of climate, no point in having a warm flat car!

KCross wrote: »

Set end time to the time you need to leave or to the end of night rate electricity

Leave start time blank and then the car figures out when to start the charge itself.

Did that : looked at 05:30 now and still frost on car, require it to be 20 Deg C at 06:00....:D
Its fully charged, it said 2hrs estimated so I gave it 2.5.

Okay: car was de-iced and warm at 06:00, along with heated steering wheel:D
Wish it was as easy to de-ICE the charging stations.

Found a free charging spot this morning and learned that onboard charging timer has to be off ( like an alarm clock setting) before it will charge.
The clue is the 3 blue charging lights blinking in sequence.

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

I don't think so.
Press the Blue zero emissions button on the console and then climax control and you will see the priority levels for battery charge level vs Climate control which are designed to stop battery depletion at the expense of climate, no point in having a warm flat car!

I never tried climax control... that must be an undocumented feature!

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Did that : looked at 05:30 now and still frost on car, require it to be 20 Deg C at 06:00....:D
Its fully charged, it said 2hrs estimated so I gave it 2.5.

What do you mean by "I gave it 2.5". If you leave the start time blank the car figures it out itself. Also bear in mind the estimated time it gives includes cell balancing. The car will be at close to 100% long before that. I think once or twice a week is plenty to let it do the cell balancing.

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Okay: car was de-iced and warm at 06:00, along with heated steering wheel:D
Wish it was as easy to de-ICE the charging stations.

I find it usually comes on about 30mins before my departure time depending on outside temp of course.

FYI... It will heat your seat as well if you remember to leave the switch in the on position when you got out.

Calahonda52

Okay need to recheck my recharge timing settings: It said it needed two hours and I wanted it cooked at 06:00 so I went back 2.5 hours and started it at 03:30.

The x above is wishful thinking on my part post the surgery!

Got the Leaf spy pro working on route to gym, heat pump was drawing 2.7kW while it chased 25 C at fan setting of 7

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Okay need to recheck my recharge timing settings: It said it needed two hours and I wanted it cooked at 06:00 so I went back 2.5 hours and started it at 03:30.

If you need the car at 6 just set the end time and no start time. It will then make sure the car is fully charged for 6. It doesnt matter whether it is at 0% or 50% or 95%... the car will figure it out.

I'll take a pic of my settings tonight and post them so you have a reference.

KCross

Charging timer:

Basically, everyday the car starts the charge at the time that it deems appropriate (based on battery %) so that it can complete the charge by 8am (the end of night rate electricity) EXCEPT for Wed and Sat where it starts at 3am so that it I am sure that cell balancing will complete.

NOTE: I have a 32A EVSE and a 6.6kW onboard charger so those times work for me. If you have a 3.3kW charger you would need to change the start time on Wed and Sat to something earlier (probably the start time of night rate to give it the full night to complete).

I charge to 100% everyday as the car is used everyday.





Climate Control Timer:

I set this to the time I expect to leave everyday and it usually starts the heating about 30mins (outside temperature depending) before that time. I also give priority to the charging rather than climate control.



Im not saying this is the best or only way to do it, just what works for me.

peposhi

Could clear it up for me, please.
Why would you start at 3 and finish at 8 only on 2 days? Why not all?

KCross

peposhi wrote: »

Could clear it up for me, please.
Why would you start at 3 and finish at 8 only on 2 days? Why not all?

It's not a critical thing but if you set it to 11pm it would mean that the car is regularly sitting at 100% for several hours a day which is what you would need to do if you have a 3.3kW car.

Ex: If the car is at 50% when you get home and the charge starts at 11pm it will probably complete the charge by 3am (1am if it's at 6.6kW) and then sitting at 100% until 9am when I need the car. That's 6-9hrs of the day at 100% which is a significant amount of its life and it's recognised that you should limit the amount of time at 0% and 100%.

By leaving the start time blank the car decides the start time and so it is only at 100% for mins, not hours.

I then do the Wed and Sat charges from 3am to ensure that cell balancing has completed at least twice a week. Even once a week would probably do there.

peposhi

KCross wrote: »

It's not a critical thing but if you set it to 11pm it would mean that the car is regularly sitting at 100% for several hours a day which is what you would need to do if you have a 3.3kW car.

Ex: If the car is at 50% when you get home and the charge starts at 11pm it will probably complete the charge by 3am (1am if it's at 6.6kW) and then sitting at 100% until 9am when I need the car. That's 6-9hrs of the day at 100% which is a significant amount of its life and it's recognised that you should limit the amount of time at 0% and 100%.

By leaving the start time blank the car decides the start time and so it is only at 100% for mins, not hours.

I then do the Wed and Sat charges from 3am to ensure that cell balancing has completed at least twice a week. Even once a week would probably do there.

I understand. I thought it's good to balance it regularly... everyday...


So, I am better off setting the end of cycle and the car will decide when to start charging to get it to 100%? I may do that once I get the 32A unit installed as I do not want to charge before 23.00h.

Calahonda52

The TCU in my 1 week old needs to be replaced....:eek:

Bif

Calahonda52 wrote: »

The TCU in my 1 week old needs to be replaced....:eek:

TCU?

Calahonda52

Bif wrote: »

TCU?

The TELEMATIC Comms UNIT that looks after the Nissan Connect.
Not the transmission Control Unit...:eek:

slave1

Calahonda52 wrote: »

The TCU in my 1 week old needs to be replaced....:eek:

Ah feck, annoying, hope it gets sorted ASAP

Gumbo

Calahonda52 wrote: »

The TCU in my 1 week old needs to be replaced....:eek:

Very common problem on the 2016 models.
Make sure, and I mean make sure that Nissan photograph the back on the new TCU and send it through the internal system to Nissan so the car can be connected back to your account.

Seemly it's a PITA if they doesn't specifically photo it and link it to your vin and send it through the internal channels.

I Read about it on speak EV forum.

Calahonda52

kceire wrote: »

Very common problem on the 2016 models.

Make sure, and I mean make sure that Nissan photograph the back on the new TCU and send it through the internal system to Nissan so the car can be connected back to your account.

Seemly it's a PITA if they doesn't specifically photo it and link it to your vin and send it through the internal channels.

I Read about it on speak EV forum.

Thanks. Good intel there, I will ask them for the photo.

Other that that issue, any other very common problems with 2016 models that you know about: want to reflect on them as I look at 218km range in the warm car at 05:30

Gumbo

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Thanks. Good intel there, I will ask them for the photo.

Other that that issue, any other very common problems with 2016 models that you know about: want to reflect on them as I look at 218km range in the warm car at 05:30

Not that I've heard.
I have heard that the auto drivers window gives trouble but not sure if that's on the older cars. Mine is quite slow at going up at the start and then goes as normal.

Calahonda52

Left yesterday at 14:00 to get to Borris Co, Carlow, with a diversion to/from Athy on the N78 from the M9.
Traffic was pretty heavy M1/M50/N7/M7/M9.
Got to 4 Lakes Retail park in Carlow with 26km left on the GOM, having done 147 km.
Drove normally, in heavy traffic, don't recall much of it as was on the phone for most of the trip and had iPod on between calls.

[Was also calibring the error in the speedo, reckon it is overstated by about 10% 100km/km on GPS is 111 km/hr on the speedo 80 is 88]

This Fast Charging Station is easily accessed from the R448, which is picked up from the Carlow North exit from the M9
Got to 95% in 42 minutes, now showing 172 km on the GOM.
App said it was all available, which it was. Charging point worked fine.

Went to Borris, on route did some recon on the location of the 22kW one in Muine Beag: no e-car only marking on road, parking // to path

Was back this morning in Carlow for top up and then went to the one in Tesco in Naas, via Blessington, just to run some recon on the Fast Charging Station.
Its is in the Tesco carpark, pretty busy on Sat afternoon.
App said all three were available, which they were not, lad there with 15 mins on his charge.
Chatted with him for a while, new 24kW SV

Got a fix and moved on to run some recon on the Fast Charging Station @ Topaz in Fonthill.
Just a single Fast Charging Point here
App said it was available, which it was.

Got a fix here but had to call to be released.

Location not the most fabulous so need to design some security protocols for using it, especially after dark when there are connect/disconnect issues.

To get back onto the Naas Road, you have to exit left from garage on a dual carriage way way and then go left at first lights onto Boot Hill Road.

The energy meter thingy showed 15.1

I don't like Fonthill myself , not in the dark.

All speedos over read by Law.

Naas is in a disastrous location, too many locals using it for free juice and it's too far off the Motorway, try get there in peak traffic.

Carlow is an ok spot but Castledermot is much closer to the M9 Exit, come off the Motorway, left at the roundabout over the Hill , you're in Castledermot in 2 mins.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

All speedos over read by Law.

All speedos can't under read by law.

indicated speed must be between real speed and real speed + 10% + 4km/h

So an indicated speed of 180km/h is still legal when the real speed is only 160km/h...

Must try the Ioniq vs GPS when I get it, but I'm getting the impression that the Leaf overstates the speed by quite a bit (obviously having a big impact of its drivers perception of range)

Calahonda52

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't like Fonthill myself , not in the dark.

All speedos over read by Law.

Deleted User wrote: »

Naas is in a disastrous location, too many locals using it for free juice and it's too far off the Motorway, try get there in peak traffic.

Yes it is all that and more.

Deleted User wrote: »

Carlow is an ok spot
but Castledermot is much closer to the M9 Exit, come off the Motorway, left at the roundabout over the Hill , you're in Castledermot in 2 mins.

4 Lakes okay once you actually find it, it being close to the road and near the roundabout the sat nav tells you you have arrived a bit soon!
Actually finding them was the exercise, I had the same plan when I drove LPG and was chasing LPG stations: just see actually where they are.

Where is the spot in CD: not listed on e-cars and I drove through CD?

unkel wrote: »

All speedos can't under read by law.

indicated speed must be between real speed and real speed + 10% + 4km/h

Have you a source for this?

unkel wrote: »

So an indicated speed of 180km/h is still legal when the real speed is only 160km/h...

unkel wrote: »

Must try the Ioniq vs GPS when I get it, but I'm getting the impression that the Leaf overstates the speed by quite a bit (obviously having a big impact of its drivers perception of range)

Overstating speed is one thing, but to alter range perception are they are screwing with odometer readings?,[ just like VW and the emissions]

KCross

unkel wrote: »

All speedos can't under read by law.

indicated speed must be between real speed and real speed + 10% + 4km/h

So an indicated speed of 180km/h is still legal when the real speed is only 160km/h...

Must try the Ioniq vs GPS when I get it, but I'm getting the impression that the Leaf overstates the speed by quite a bit (obviously having a big impact of its drivers perception of range)

Leaf is about 10% high. Apparently Ioniq is accurate. Only a % or two out.

To do 120kmh in a Leaf you have to do 128!

@calahonda52, the odometer is accurate. Only the speed is off.

unkel

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Have you a source for this?

It's some European regulation. I posted it in the main forum more than once. Go have a search

Most cars over read quite a bit, but most of the BMWs I've owned that I tested against GPS (and once against a gatso ) were almost bang on.

Calahonda52

unkel wrote: »

It's some European regulation. I posted it in the main forum more than once. Go have a search

Yes Boss:D
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055542951&page=3

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cros13

i3 is pretty much exactly on. There's a hidden setting on the i3 that you can use to calibrate speed to GPS as well and a coding option that removes some software "adjustments" to indicated speed in some situations.