Imagine giving birth to this monster..

red ears

Imagine you give birth to this monster. Is there any way back for a relationship like that. If my child kicked me in the head repeatedly they would be disowned. Could you forgive this behavior?

http://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-kicked-mother-in-head-3263927-Mar2017/

'In evidence given earlier, Garda Keith Brannigan said that during the attack in September there was an altercation between the youth and his mother after she refused to give him money. “He ran over and spat in her hair and kicked her in her ear,” he said.
The court heard the woman crouched and he then kicked her in the face and legs and four times in the head. He then ran after her but stopped and left when a taxi arrived to pick him up, the court heard.

On another date there was an incident after the boy requested new clothes. The teen shouted in his mother’s face and spat in her hair and, as she tried to get up, he kicked her lower back.
The last incident happened in October when the teenager demanded money for new clothes, but she told him she did not have any and he would have to wait until the following day.
The youth knocked her onto the ground and kicked her in the head. “She tried to get him off her and scratched him to get him off her,” the court was told. The teenager then left leaving her in fear, the garda said.'

Wanderer78

I'm aware of a similar situation in my town, happened a long time ago though, is it truly possible to walk away from your own child? This poor man sounds very troubled, requiring serious professional help as does his family. You'd have to wonder is he rehabilitateable.

VinLieger

Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.

JackTaylorFan

VinLieger wrote: »

Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.

Wow!! Just no.

Trying to use mental health issues as a mitigating factor for being junky scum is an insult to anybody seriously dealing with stress and anxiety.

I could have sympathy if he was genuinely schizophrenic or similar, but this is lawyering bull**** territory.

me_irl

I think there's a lot more to this story than just victimising the mother. We don't know what she did (or didn't do regarding steering him away from trouble) to him in his formative years to cause this outburst of aggression.

Both are the victims and both need help.

red ears

VinLieger wrote: »

Wow that's a selective interpretation of an incredibly complex issue, it might help if you actually read the full article instead of 2 paragraphs.

I read the article and i'm not buying the mental health angle as easily as you might. There are plenty of people with mental health issues and they don't have cocaine kits, don't demand money from their mother and then kick her head in when they don't get it. If we take the bleeding hearted line you take then anything can be justified by claiming someone has mental health issues.

Your Face

I didn't read anything but I think we can all agree that both mother and son should be executed immediately.

JackTaylorFan

me_irl wrote: »

I think there's a lot more to this story than just victimising the mother. We don't know what she did (or didn't do regarding steering him away from trouble) to him in his formative years to cause this outburst of aggression.

Both are the victims and both need help.

I agree to a point - but kicking another human in the face on several occasions (let alone it being your own mother) is beyond the pale. To do that to anyone would suggest there is something missing - drugs or no drugs.

Arcade_Tryer

We all fight with family from time to time.

I'm sure they'll look back on this and laugh about it some day.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Wow!! Just no.

Trying to use mental health issues as a mitigating factor for being junky scum is an insult to anybody seriously dealing with stress and anxiety.

I could have sympathy if he was genuinely schizophrenic or similar, but this is lawyering bull**** territory.

And it's excuses like the one mentioned that lead to the most pathetic sentences being handed down for truly awful offences. IMO there are some things that just can't be excused, no matter what the reason. This isn't the worst of them, but the reason given is simply not good enough for the crime committed and should be disregarded almost in its entirety.

biko

Your Face wrote: »

I didn't read anything but I think we can all agree that both mother and son should be executed immediately.

I don't agree - it is "society's fault".
This way it's all our fault, and capitalism's fault, and the judicial system's fault.

Someone (else) should do something!

Another reflection of the lack of ****s given by certain organs of the state.
I can think of a similar case, lad in his early teens, getting in trouble, smashing stuff up etc. His mother has pleaded with the Gardai and others (social workers appointed after he smashed up other peoples' stuff) to take him away, they're having none of it. Instead he gets no help, just sent back to destroy her life and his siblings.

infogiver

"If you don't give me what I want, when I want it, im going to beat you up because your infringing on my rights. I don't care whether your my mother, a SW employee or a social worker, a Garda or a nurse. Those are the rules."

infogiver

Deleted User wrote: »

Another reflection of the lack of ****s given by certain organs of the state.
I can think of a similar case, lad in his early teens, getting in trouble, smashing stuff up etc. His mother has pleaded with the Gardai and others (social workers appointed after he smashed up other peoples' stuff) to take him away, they're having none of it. Instead he gets no help, just sent back to destroy her life and his siblings.

You'll find, on closer inspection, that his mother and indeed his extended family don't want to follow through on pressing charges on him, they want the social workers and the AGS to operate independent of the family because, you know, its not the done thing to have your own child put away.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

You'll find, on closer inspection, that his mother and indeed his extended family don't want to follow through on pressing charges on him, they want the social workers and the AGS to operate independent of the family because, you know, its not the done thing to have your own child put away.

No, they do. She's very clear on it. She's told plenty of people so there's no "shame" there.

SEPT 23 1989

Where is the father?

Your Face

biko wrote: »

I don't agree - it is "society's fault".
This way it's all our fault, and capitalism's fault, and the judicial system's fault.

Someone (else) should do something!

Excellent, glad that's sorted.
Time for tea now.
Good show everyone.

me_irl

Your Face wrote: »

Excellent, glad that's sorted.
Time for tea now.
Good show everyone.

Well... :pac:

Summer wind

He needs a good kick in the hole.

me_irl

Summer wind wrote: »

He needs a good kick in the hole.

'cos "an eye for an eye" works, right?

flutered

me_irl wrote: »

'cos "an eye for an eye" works, right?

ni cause he deserves it, as in badly

me_irl

flutered wrote: »

ni cause he deserves it, as in badly

Thus perpetuating a cycle.

Dravokivich

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where is the father?

Could be dead for all we know, what difference does it make? Even if he is envolved with the mother, both as separated parents, it doesn't excuse what the kid is doing.

Arcade_Tryer

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where is the father?

Working for a US multinational in a senior management position.

freshpopcorn

Don't know the case at all but out of the people I know that would be similar to this guy the majority of them got it from their parents!

Mrs OBumble

She didn't give birth to a monster.

She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


(*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.

Mrs OBumble

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She didn't give birth to a monster.

She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


(*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.

Do you know them?

andekwarhola

Kid sounds completely fcuked up and needs to be in care.

I'd hazard a guess that the corrective kickings being blithely prescribed here won't really work.

freshpopcorn

For all we know the lad could often have got the crap beat out of him by his mother!

Your Face

me_irl wrote: »

Well... :pac:

Don't be so hard on yourself.

sonic85

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She didn't give birth to a monster.

She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


(*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.

And how the hell do you know what this woman did or didn't do? As someone posted above do you know them? I know plenty of scumbags from my locality who came from good hard working homes.

corner of hells

Your Face wrote: »

I didn't read anything but I think we can all agree that both mother and son should be executed immediately.

My thoughts too , in fact we should probably be out burning houses and cars right now.

Electric Sheep

sonic85 wrote: »

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

She didn't give birth to a monster.

She gave birth to an innocent child(*), who she then proceeded to turn into a monster thru f*ced up parenting. She's getting what raised, nothing more and nothing less.


(*) There's a possibility that the child may have been drug-addicted before being born - but again, that's her fault.

And how the hell do you know what this woman did or didn't do? As someone posted above do you know them? I know plenty of scumbags from my locality who came from good hard working homes.

Sadly, very true. I know several families where all but one are hard working productive members of society and then there is that one violent lazy entitlement minded asshole.

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'm aware of a similar situation in my town...........

Lad I know has a son nearly as bad as described in the OP. I dropped him home one day and he asked to get out at the entrance to his park for fear the lad woud give my car a kicking

Haven't seen the chap in a while but he was trying to get the son into some home or something, he had two younger kids who were fine.

Very sad.

Augeo

Augeo wrote: »

Haven't seen the chap in a while but he was trying to get the son into some home or something, he had two younger kids who were fine.

Very sad.

Aye this is what annoys me. I'm happy to make snap judgements on little knowledge and if all of someone's kids end up junkies etc. then I'll jump at the chance. However I'm sure we all know families with one "bad egg" and people who turn out well despite awful parenting. Blaming the parents for everything isn't always fair. :pac:

JackTaylorFan

Augeo wrote: »

Very sad.

Donald, is that you?

topper75

Have they tried giving him a 'time out'? Or putting him on the naughty step?

Failing that, there is always lifting him out of it with the bos of a goalkeeper's hurley.

KERSPLAT!

infogiver wrote: »

"If you don't give me what I want, when I want it, im going to beat you up because your infringing on my rights. I don't care whether your my mother, a SW employee or a social worker, a Garda or a nurse. Those are the rules."

Where's that quote from?

infogiver

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Where's that quote from?

That's my own general summation of the attitude demonstrated by these practically feral young people.
Look at this guy today who has murdered a 90 year old for the sake of a jam jar of coins. Totally heartless and completely without any conscience.
To lift a poker and beat anyone never mind a 90 year old. How does anyone do that?

Wanderer78

infogiver wrote: »

That's my own general summation of the attitude demonstrated by these practically feral young people.
Look at this guy today who has murdered a 90 year old for the sake of a jam jar of coins. Totally heartless and completely without any conscience.
To lift a poker and beat anyone never mind a 90 year old. How does anyone do that?

a person who is deeply disturbed and requires professional help immediately

sonic85

If professional help means putting him up against the nearest wall and putting two in the chest and one in the head then I agree with you.

gctest50

infogiver wrote: »

...............To lift a poker and beat anyone never mind a 90 year old. How does anyone do that?

Someone who can't afford their little drug habit and know not much will happen them anyway can do that

That sort of person needs the help of a professional executioner

KingBrian2

We have no idea what the circumstance of the family are. Can't judge a person solely on headlines in a paper. Need to know the background or mental health consideration. The guy should have been locked up he is clearly a danger to society. See him walking down the streets of Dublin.

infogiver

Wanderer78 wrote: »

a person who is deeply disturbed and requires professional help immediately

What leads you to believe he's deeply disturbed?

Wanderer78

infogiver wrote: »

What leads you to believe he's deeply disturbed?

what kind of person murders another? what causes a person to do so?

infogiver

sonic85 wrote: »

If professional help means putting him up against the nearest wall and putting two in the chest and one in the head then I agree with you.

I wouldn't normally agree with this but on this occasion I do. I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of woolly hand wringing left wing luvvies having all the sympathy with these monsters and barely giving a backwards glance to the victims,
When the bloody hell are they going to cop on that patting them on the head and sympathising with them over their "deprived childhoods" hasn't worked and won't ever work?

red ears

Wanderer78 wrote: »

a person who is deeply disturbed and requires professional help immediately

More like someone who requires 30 years in jail.

Wanderer78

red ears wrote: »

More like someone who requires 30 years in jail.

and what would that achieve?

infogiver

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what kind of person murders another? what causes a person to do so?

A person who wants something and feels that violence is a perfectly acceptable means to achieve a goal as opposed to say, getting a job to earn money for example.
Because jobs and work etc is only for mugs.
Indeed, someone who has found in the past that threatening vulnerable people (who won't fight back, like isolated 90 year olds for example, he doesn't like getting a few slaps himself) usually results in getting easy money.
The type of person who has no personal responsibility. The type of person who blames everything that goes wrong in his life on someone or something else.
My parents
The school
The social workers
The State
The Church
Society
Because woolly headed lefties have hugged him and tucked him up in bed and told him repeatedly that nothing is ever his fault and he's a victim of his circumstances.
Just like someone is probably telling him RIGHT NOW.

Wanderer78

infogiver wrote: »

A person who wants something and feels that violence is a perfectly acceptable means to achieve a goal as opposed to say, getting a job to earn money for example.
Because jobs and work etc is only for mugs.
Indeed, someone who has found in the past that threatening vulnerable people (who won't fight back, like isolated 90 year olds for example, he doesn't like getting a few slaps himself) usually results in getting easy money.
The type of person who has no personal responsibility. The type of person who blames everything that goes wrong in his life on someone or something else.
My parents
The school
The social workers
The State
The Church
Society
Because woolly headed lefties have hugged him and tucked him up in bed and told him repeatedly that nothing is ever his fault and he's a victim of his circumstances.
Just like someone is probably telling him RIGHT NOW.

beleive it or not, some murders are committed by people suffering with very complex and very serious issues, some of these issues would include sociopathic and psychopathic behaviour, extremely complex mental health issues, complex behavioural and personality disorders. what should we do with people that have these kind of complex issues?

artanevilla

As a man it's very hard to imagine giving birth to anyone.