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Gregk961

Gamebred wrote: »

I wouldnt call it a mistake tbh, the race absolutely stinks.

Stinks as in all of the other jockeys wernt trying? In a grade 2 race? They all gathered in a darkened alley and decided to fix a graded race, to what end? The best horse won, with the exception of Anibale Fly maybe, and the jockeys foolishly gave a talented front runner a soft lead.

"Irish racing is bent" is the type of thing you overhear in a bookies all the time. Theres plenty of non tries alright but its not a lot better in the UK and to say a handful of Irelands top jockeys threw a race is laughable.

Gamebred

Gregk961 wrote: »

Stinks as in all of the other jockeys wernt trying? In a grade 2 race? They all gathered in a darkened alley and decided to fix a graded race, to what end? The best horse won, with the exception of Anibale Fly maybe, and the jockeys foolishly gave a talented front runner a soft lead.

"Irish racing is bent" is the type of thing you overhear in a bookies all the time. Theres plenty of non tries alright but its not a lot better in the UK and to say a handful of Irelands top jockeys threw a race is laughable.

Top jockeys throwing races is laughable? lol thats enough wont even bother trying to educate you everything is all rosey move on nothing to see here Geraghty Ruby never strangled a horse in their lives nope.

Nonoperational

Gamebred wrote: »

Top jockeys throwing races is laughable? lol thats enough wont even bother trying to educate you everything is all rosey move on nothing to see here Geraghty Ruby never strangled a horse in their lives nope.

Nobody denies there aren't non-triers. There are of course. But to suggest that all the other jockeys conspired to let the second fav win a grade 2 is ridiculous in my opinion.

Gamebred

Nonoperational wrote: »

Nobody denies there aren't non-triers. There are of course. But to suggest that all the other jockeys conspired to let the second fav win a grade 2 is ridiculous in my opinion.

The winner was let jog home, didnt go fast (winning jockey confirmed this), I'm not saying it was 100% a jockeys race Ive no evidence of it but it sure as hell looked like one to me, Ruby Walsh Geraghty Cooper are no claimers, there would be uproar if apprentices were guilty of that, so bad it looks corrupt.

Gregk961

Gamebred wrote: »

Top jockeys throwing races is laughable? lol thats enough wont even bother trying to educate you everything is all rosey move on nothing to see here Geraghty Ruby never strangled a horse in their lives nope.

Of course they have but you are saying they all conspired to throw a grade 2! Thats right up there with the worst paranoid pocket talk Ive ever seen.

STB.

kfallon wrote: »

All jocks (bar Loughran) to the stewards room please!

Absolutely.

Its as if the rest were waiting on someone to pass the joint. Dreadful misjudgements all round.

Meanwhile Loughran was cantering home like he was on "Make a stand" in a champion hurdle in the last furlong.

Backed Mad Brian myself last night. Once he doesnt hit anything he is a goof horse. Right ground and conditions. Jockey cool as you like (he might as well as have been landing a gamble for McLoughlin) Serious non gambling lads with that horse.

CH3OH

a few of the notes from the stewards:

The Stewards received a report from Ms Inge D'Haese, Turf Club Veterinary Officer, stating that Renneti (FR) was found to be lame post race.


030E Ten Up Novice S'chase
B.J. Geraghty, rider of Anibale Fly (FR) trained by A.J.Martin, reported to the Clerk of Scales that his mount made mistakes and struggled from 5 out.

Gamebred

They'd want to look into the riding into the 4th horse in the opener, a handicap plot If I ever seen one.

Shemale

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Ruby rode hay mount to finish in its best position lads, if he went after the winner he would of ended up pulling up.
I don't like anibale fly, he is so unreliable.
Best horse won today but the winner wouldn't do that to prominent thorough stayers like our duke.

He beat our Duke last year giving him 5lbs and a 2 length beating.

Even with a mile to go I could tell the pack were too far back and they happy just sitting a distance behind him not sending their horses after him.

HarshOstrich

Shemale wrote: »

He beat our Duke last year giving him 5lbs and a 2 length beating.

Even with a mile to go I could tell the pack were too far back and they happy just sitting a distance behind him not sending their horses after him.

That was a hurdle race, hurdle form doesn't always transfer to fences.

They where too far back today because they where inferior animals and
No jockey wanted to compromise there chance of getting the best possible finishing position by taking on the winner, ruby let him go because he felt he was going quick enough I would imagine.

posturingpat

HarshOstrich wrote: »

That was a hurdle race, hurdle form doesn't always transfer to fences.

They where too far back today because they where inferior animals and
No jockey wanted to compromise there chance of getting the best possible finishing position by taking on the winner, ruby let him go because he felt he was going quick enough I would imagine.

Rewatch the race and check the sectionals/time :pac: A 14 year old from my back field would've been able to sit closer to the pace than the field did today.

HarshOstrich

posturingpat wrote: »

Rewatch the race and check the sectionals/time :pac: A 14 year old from my back field would've been able to sit closer to the pace than the field did today.

Can't agree with ya and I backed haymount e/w, I wouldn't of got my place money if ruby tried to go with the winner.
There was no stewards enquiry either, so the experts had no problem with the race.

Gamebred

HarshOstrich wrote: »

There was no stewards enquiry either, so the experts had no problem with the race.

You a comedian.

hawaii501

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Can't agree with ya and I backed haymount e/w, I wouldn't of got my place money if ruby tried to go with the winner.
There was no stewards enquiry either, so the experts had no problem with the race.

'Experts' being afraid to take on the games biggest names you mean.
If that was a bunch of small trainers and jockeys in behind, they'd all be called in ya clown.

HarshOstrich

hawaii501 wrote: »

'Experts' being afraid to take on the games biggest names you mean.
If that was a bunch of small trainers and jockeys in behind, they'd all be called in ya clown.

You are incorrect.
The other horses where not good enough on the day, the jockeys have nothing to answer for.
The winner was further ahead at the line than at any point in the race, they could not make any ground up

posturingpat

Would that not suggest he was given an easy lead?
If that was Robbie Colgan, Mark Bolger, Brian o Connell and David Splaine out the back today or some kid claiming 5lb they'd have been called in I suspect. Whatever about not punishing them it's an absolute disgrace they all weren't at least called in and asked what the hell was going on that some of the best judges of pace in the country let an unassailable lead happen after a handful of fences.

nuckeythompson

Winning jockey hoodwinked the field. Plain and simple.

Gamebred

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Winning jockey hoodwinked the field. Plain and simple.

Loughran hood winking a field including Ruby Barry and Cooper, its so far fetched its hard to believe really.

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HarshOstrich wrote: »

You are incorrect.
The other horses where not good enough on the day, the jockeys have nothing to answer for.
The winner was further ahead at the line than at any point in the race, they could not make any ground up

Do you really think Acapella Bourgeois is a 32 lengths (way more if he was ridden out) better horse than the rest of the field? If he is he's the best horse in training. It's blatantly clear that the rides in the race caused him to be massively flattered. The pattern of horse goes clear because of an easy lead, stays clear for a while and goes further clear in the closing stages happens all the time in these sorts of races because the chasing pack have used their energy extremely inefficiently, see Homecoming Queen in the guineas.

If this happened in England there'd be hefty bans, and you can be sure none of the jockeys in the race today will be riding like that in any of the spring festivals.

hawaii501

HarshOstrich wrote: »

You are incorrect.
The other horses where not good enough on the day, the jockeys have nothing to answer for.
The winner was further ahead at the line than at any point in the race, they could not make any ground up

Ah they let him go too far ahead and as Roger even said himself he wasn't going a 'gallop'. No bet on the race so not pocket-talk. (Had Renneti if I was to complain)
I did think acapella was probably best horse and you have to blame jockeys as on that showing he'd be gold cup challenger then and there is not a chance he is anywhere near that level.

nuckeythompson

Gamebred wrote:

Loughran hood winking a field including Ruby Barry and Cooper, its so far fetched its hard to believe really.

Yeah, and caught them on the hop. Anyone you can't see that is blind. No conspiracy there

Gamebred

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Yeah, and caught them on the hop. Anyone you can't see that is blind. No conspiracy there

Happened to be on a well backed 7/2 poke, amazing really.

EICVD

Thought I'd give my thoughts on the Acapella Bourgeois race. I was down at the last, when Edwulf fell first time round he did badly hamper quite a few of the field, the winner obviously gained a few more lengths on those. Jumping the last the winner was still full of running, the rest where out on their feet jumping it. Clearly a dodgy bunch of stayers in behind, a positive ride from Roger, bad judgement from the rest of them & AB relishing the 3 miles.

Gregk961

Gamebred wrote: »

Happened to be on a well backed 7/2 poke, amazing really.

So you are still going with the line that the 8 jockeys were involved in a conspiracy to throw the race?

Shemale

HarshOstrich wrote: »

That was a hurdle race, hurdle form doesn't always transfer to fences.

Correct, I didn't check the race type as Mick Fitz mentioned he beat "none other than Our Duke" and I just remembered losing my cash on Our Duke when I thought he would win handy.

Shemale

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Winning jockey hoodwinked the field. Plain and simple.

All bar one jockey in behind has ridden in over 1000 races each not to mention current and former Irish champion jockeys and all they got conned in a slow race?

After four fences they were at least 20 lengths down and had plenty of time to make it up, they just got further behind the longer the race went on and the slower the winner went.

I am struggling to believe this is a case of all the top jockeys in the country got their sectionals wrong in one race.

Gamebred

If it were a bumper or conditional riders race I would accept it, Ruby Walsh alone is never hood winked like that never mind the other 6 jockeys, none of them seem bothered about winning is different than it being contrived before the race who wins, happy to have a jog around.

nuckeythompson

Loughran knew he could make the running and stay. That's what he did and won. It does happen at times. If I were behind I'd be in no hurry as I wouldn't expect the leader to stay.

I said

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Loughran knew he could make the running and stay. That's what he did and won. It does happen at times. If I were behind I'd be in no hurry as I wouldn't expect the leader to stay.

See a similar one in Galway years ago think the horses name was kahuna went off in front lads in behind let him off had race won turning for home.Never came back to the chasing pack.

Johner

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Loughran knew he could make the running and stay. That's what he did and won. It does happen at times. If I were behind I'd be in no hurry as I wouldn't expect the leader to stay.

That's fair enough if they thought he went tearing off in front but he didn't. He wasn't going that quick, that's why he was able to quicken on the home turn. Usually you see a runaway leader trying to get a breather in at some stage but there wasn't even a need for that, he was just hacking around, the jockeys in behind would surely have noticed that. It wasn't as if it was a brilliant ride from Loughran.