Public Sector Positions

fg1406

doc11 wrote: »

Or get a job at the private sector that you think you deserve

Believe me I'm trying. I've done 2 interviews in the past 3 months but there are limited opportunities in the catchment area where I live, without returning to Dublin which isn't something I can afford to do either financially or for my mental health.
But anyway this isn't about me. It's about the OP. By all means go into the PS but don't expect recognition or reward for your talents and work ethic. You'll get paid the same as someone who does f--- all. Sure you'll get better sick leave etc than in the private sector but don't expect job satisfaction or that a career path will be laid out for you.

Dodge

Sounds like you think you're better than the public service but can't get a job outside the public service. That's not a recipe for happiness

And you should do whatever makes you happy mate

(also LOL @ the earlier suggestion that public service workers should get health care are included. Can only imagine how many angry Indo articles there'd be about that )

Doop

tobsey wrote: »

I joined PS just over a year ago at point 5 of a 7 point scale. It's not civil service though. I had 8 years experience in IT and they matched my take home pay. It helped that they were struggling to recruit experienced people into that grade. They wouldn't have had a hope if they were only offering the first point.

Excuse the ignorance but whats the difference between Public Service / Civil service?

tobsey

Doop wrote: »

Excuse the ignorance but whats the difference between Public Service / Civil service?

Public service would include Gardai, Teachers, Health staff, firefighters, council workers and other offices of the state. The Civil Service is the staff of the government departments, e.g. Social Welfare, Revenue Commissioners (I think), Department of Justice, Department of Environment and so on.

psnKOB79LFC

Calculon1982 wrote: »

Yeah that's it. I took 8k pay cut to join public service 8 years ago. Only back to what I left on then now. 2 degrees, 35 years old and on 29k a year. Not how I imagined my life would go obviously.

Private sector is far more lucrative but public service will give you a decent work life balance.

I took a 24k pay cut to join public sector...8k is nothing in comparison. It was even worth it at 24k, far better long term.

yenom

Calculon1982 wrote: »

They have done away with the day and a half. Maximum 1 day each period now.

Not true. The day and a half is back again.

Calculon1982

yenom wrote: »

Not true. The day and a half is back again.

I was not aware that it had been introduced for some departments. My department still operates a single day per period set up.

drake70

Calculon1982 wrote: »

I was not aware that it had been introduced for some departments. My department still operates a single day per period set up.

It was re-introduced as a pilot scheme in November 2015.

http://www.pseu.ie/_fileupload/circulars2015/Flexible%20Working%20Hours%20Circular_%20(3).pdf

amtc

I had a public sector job and negotiated my salary and conditions off scale. It can be done. They created an assistant principal special scale.

amtc

I had a public sector job and negotiated my salary and conditions off scale. It can be done. They created an assistant principal special scale.

alig123aileen

a friends of mine was a civil servant with 30 years plus service in the same department as a 'clerical officer'. There were contractual issues with her contract due to secondment and they 'retired' her at 52 yrs old offering her a lump sum/annuity totalling in excess of €200,000. She took it then went to a recruitment agency and got into another civil service department job as a 'temporary' clerical officer and was made permanent nine months later and got her pay scale honoured from her previous role when she asked. That means she got 10k more a year than if somebody from private employment walked into that job. Had I walked into that job (im in private employment) I would have gone in at 21k as a new person. she got 33k to do the same job. Now I know what my USC is paying for! Fair play to her but it seems unfair on others. Isnt anyone in HR in the civil service looking at staff budgets?

martingriff

alig123aileen wrote: »

a friends of mine was a civil servant with 30 years plus service in the same department as a 'clerical officer'. There were contractual issues with her contract due to secondment and they 'retired' her at 52 yrs old offering her a lump sum/annuity totalling in excess of €200,000. She took it then went to a recruitment agency and got into another civil service department job as a 'temporary' clerical officer and was made permanent nine months later and got her pay scale honoured from her previous role when she asked. That means she got 10k more a year than if somebody from private employment walked into that job. Had I walked into that job (im in private employment) I would have gone in at 21k as a new person. she got 33k to do the same job. Now I know what my USC is paying for! Fair play to her but it seems unfair on others. Isnt anyone in HR in the civil service looking at staff budgets?

That happens a lot if people all ready have years in the civil service as it's all 1 sector.

Dodge

alig123aileen wrote: »

Isnt anyone in HR in the civil service looking at staff budgets?

That's all they look at. Most HR functions are with peoplepoint now

CS wages are controlled by regulations. They're not flexible.

Your friend was on the correct point of the scale for her. She wasn't been done a favour

There is flexibility in the wider public service but for general service grades in the civil service, your salary is pre determined

beauf

alig123aileen wrote: »

...went to a recruitment agency and got into another civil service department job as a 'temporary' clerical officer and was made permanent nine months later and got her pay scale honoured from her previous role when she asked. ...

She got a job as a new person, (well with 30yrs experience) then negotiated a better salary.

I think you are reading more into it.

Kristopherus

beauf wrote: »

She got a job as a new person, (well with 30yrs experience) then negotiated a better salary.

I think you are reading more into it.

She'll now be under the new pension regulation and her salary will be averaged for pension purposes. If she's getting a pension from her last CS job, the payment of that will stop. Also I'd like to see how she gleaned €200K of a lump sum out of her employer.