Money for fox tails, rabbits, greys, mags?

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Anyone know if there is any place giving money for fox tails, rabbit skins, magpies or greycrows? I kinda doubt it but I'm just checking just incase! Thanks

Tommyaya4

Long time since there was a bounty on the fox tails only thing there worth now is points on the vermin counts

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Tommyaya4 wrote:

Long time since there was a bounty on the fox tails only thing there worth now is points on the vermin counts

Ah right I was just curious didn't think there really would be but just thought it would be worth asking anyway! Thanks

Grizzly 45

Reckon if the bounty was introduced again ,there would be as many shot as there are deer! Add money to anything in Ireland and you will get the chancers and wasters moving in no time at all.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Grizzly 45 wrote:

Reckon if the bounty was introduced again ,there would be as many shot as there are deer! Add money to anything in Ireland and you will get the chancers and wasters moving in no time at all.

Be good alright if there was a bounty on foxes again!

donkeykong5

Only cowards shoot foxes.

hedzball

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Only cowards shoot foxes.

Shut up you ill informed gimp.

Tommyaya4

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Only cowards shoot foxes.

What a stupid ****ing statement on a hunting forum if you don't agree with it why even get involved your opinions are obviously anti hunting

Cass

Lads, relax. I got this.



Just report the trolls guys.

clawback07

Hi Crow ,Pigeon , and Pheasant !
John Veniard and Co. In England used buy squirrel tails ,and various furs and feathers for their fly tying trade . Perhaps it might be worth your while to pursue that avenue . I don't think you will retire on the income but you never know !!

doire4mee

My dad used to tell me that in one county they used to give a bounty for the fox tail and in another the bounty was for the fox tongue so he would get double for a fox!

Not sure how true that was, as my dad would tell the odd tall tail!

No doubt some one will know for definate.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

clawback07 wrote:

Hi Crow ,Pigeon , and Pheasant ! John Veniard and Co. In England used buy squirrel tails ,and various furs and feathers for their fly tying trade . Perhaps it might be worth your while to pursue that avenue . I don't think you will retire on the income but you never know !!

Yes might be worth seeing about that! Thanks! If anyone knows anything more about this sure let me know please!

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

doire4mee wrote:

My dad used to tell me that in one county they used to give a bounty for the fox tail and in another the bounty was for the fox tongue so he would get double for a fox!

doire4mee wrote:

Not sure how true that was, as my dad would tell the odd tall tail!

doire4mee wrote:

No doubt some one will know for definate.

Haha Thanks! Hopefully someone could tell us for sure!

Rosahane

doire4mee wrote: »

My dad used to tell me that in one county they used to give a bounty for the fox tail and in another the bounty was for the fox tongue so he would get double for a fox!

Not sure how true that was, as my dad would tell the odd tall tail!

No doubt some one will know for definate.

Many years ago the local Garda Station was tasked with paying the bounty for shot foxes, something like ten shillings which would have bought about three pints back then. They paid on production of the tail which our local Sergeant, having completed the paperwork and handed over the bounty promptly dumped in the rubbish bin from where it was later gainfully retreived to be produced again a day or two later

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Rosahane wrote:

Many years ago the local Garda Station was tasked with paying the bounty for shot foxes, something like ten shillings which would have bought about three pints back then. They paid on production of the tail which our local Sergeant, having completed the paperwork and handed over the bounty promptly dumped in the rubbish bin from where it was later gainfully retreived to be produced again a day or two later

Haha good to hear a few stories! Always enjoy hearing different story's! Thanks for sharing!

cavan shooter

doire4mee wrote: »

My dad used to tell me that in one county they used to give a bounty for the fox tail and in another the bounty was for the fox tongue so he would get double for a fox!

Not sure how true that was, as my dad would tell the odd tall tail!

No doubt some one will know for definate.

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

blackpearl

Same here, dad often told me only for it back then it got them out many a hole.

Tommyaya4

Auld lad would have his pints money outta foxing himself and the granddad would keep and rear a vixen for calling in the dogs

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

cavan shooter wrote:

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

blackpearl wrote:

Same here, dad often told me only for it back then it got them out many a hole.

Tommyaya4 wrote:

Auld lad would have his pints money outta foxing himself and the granddad would keep and rear a vixen for calling in the dogs

cavan shooter wrote:

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

blackpearl wrote:

Same here, dad often told me only for it back then it got them out many a hole.

cavan shooter wrote:

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

cavan shooter wrote:

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

blackpearl wrote:

Same here, dad often told me only for it back then it got them out many a hole.

cavan shooter wrote:

My Dad made more money on fox bounty in the 50's than he got from a weeks wages.

blackpearl wrote:

Same here, dad often told me only for it back then it got them out many a hole.

Tommyaya4 wrote:

Auld lad would have his pints money outta foxing himself and the granddad would keep and rear a vixen for calling in the dogs

Thanks Yeah sounds quite a good job wasn't too many foxes left around the country those days I'd say!

blackpearl

When the big money was on them for pelts town and country was at them,15 to20 pounds a pelt a lot of clubs doubled up on the number of pheasants they were putting out from the money got on fox shoots.everyone said it would put a end to the foxes how wrong they were .

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

blackpearl wrote:

When the big money was on them for pelts town and country was at them,15 to20 pounds a pelt a lot of clubs doubled up on the number of pheasants they were putting out from the money got on fox shoots.everyone said it would put a end to the foxes how wrong they were .

And why did they stop giving money for them? Too expensive? Thanks!

Birdnuts

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant wrote: »

And why did they stop giving money for them? Too expensive? Thanks!

At one stage in the 80's, 30,000 foxes were being harvested every year. Went on many a fun fox drive those days and gun clubs were generally much more into fox control then. Foxes though are a very resilient species that unlike others can take heavy harvesting thanx to their high breeding rate and adaptability as shown by their large and ever growing population in town and cities - indeed many recon the current fox population is at an all time high. One change I've noticed since the 80's is the number you see around the country during daylight hours nowadays - a sure sign that hunting pressure has dropped too in many areas

cavan shooter

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant wrote:

And why did they stop giving money for them? Too expensive? Thanks!

I'd say things changed... back in the day up until the 80s every farmer had a couple of gardens with spudz, veg, a bit of oats a few chickens etc.
The Fox was seen as a pest to be controlled and the government actively encouraged control.

What changed....well Farming for one, around me my neighbour said the last time he planted a garden with oats or veg was 1987. A lot of farmers have day jobs and they just fodder cattle. Chickens and geese aren't that common.

The knock on is that Ireland is full of crows and magpies very little wild pheasants, farmers get paid to grub up every dirty corner that once was a haven for wildlife drain wet spots...and to put up bird boxes....???.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Birdnuts wrote:

At one stage in the 80's, 30,000 foxes were being harvested every year. Went on many a fun fox drive those days and gun clubs were generally much more into fox control then. Foxes though are a very resilient species that unlike others can take heavy harvesting thanx to their high breeding rate and adaptability as shown by their large and ever growing population in town and cities - indeed many recon the current fox population is at an all time high. One change I've noticed since the 80's is the number you see around the country during daylight hours nowadays - a sure sign that hunting pressure has dropped too in many areas

cavan shooter wrote:

I'd say things changed... back in the day up until the 80s every farmer had a couple of gardens with spudz, veg, a bit of oats a few chickens etc. The Fox was seen as a pest to be controlled and the government actively encouraged control.

cavan shooter wrote:

What changed....well Farming for one, around me my neighbour said the last time he planted a garden with oats or veg was 1987. A lot of farmers have day jobs and they just fodder cattle. Chickens and geese aren't that common.

cavan shooter wrote:

The knock on is that Ireland is full of crows and magpies very little wild pheasants, farmers get paid to grub up every dirty corner that once was a haven for wildlife drain wet spots...and to put up bird boxes....???.

Thanks for the replys! Yeah plenty of crows around! They need a good hammering if ye ask me! Too many jackdaws around aswell!

blackpearl

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant wrote: »

And why did they stop giving money for them? Too expensive? Thanks!

boat lods of pelts from abroad dropped the price and fur became unpopular thanks to the antis,but thank god its back and in demand again you never know the price might come back.

dodderangler

Wasn't it more for a vixen than a dog fox? And with mags or crows it had to be the left foot off them? Something like that?

Eddie B

I was chatting a young American kid on another forum who lived here for several years. He used to snare foxes over the winter, skin them and board them. Sent them over to his uncle in the US, who sold them at auction. He got around 50 dollars a pelt, and seemingly they loved the big Irish pelts.

This was maybe three or four years ago, and fur prices have dropped considerably since then, so maybe not worth it now, but just goes to show it's possible if you have the right connections.

dodderangler

Eddie B wrote: »

I was chatting a young American kid on another forum who lived here for several years. He used to snare foxes over the winter, skin them and board them. Sent them over to his uncle in the US, who sold them at auction. He got around 50 dollars a pelt, and seemingly they loved the big Irish pelts.

This was maybe three or four years ago, and fur prices have dropped considerably since then, so maybe not worth it now, but just goes to show it's possible if you have the right connections.

How would you get the smell off the pelt though. Foxes stink

Grizzly 45

Depends on how well they are tanned and washed.Properly done there is almost zero oder off them. Thing is;with wild foxes you can never be sure of getting a good close match in the colour and texture to make up a fur coat.For some reason you can do this with farmed fur. [Talked to Barnados in Dublin about this once] The Russians have VAST amounts of furs ,both natural and farmed,so like anything they can supply the worlds fur markets no problem.So us competing with that is an utter non starter. The bounty was great,some lads put themselves thru university with their hunting skills here.

Eddie B

dodderangler wrote: »

How would you get the smell off the pelt though. Foxes stink

I haven't boarded any fox, but done a few mink just to see how they would turn out. Skinned them, removed fat, washed in warm soapy water and boarded to dry. The boards are easily cut from ply.

Hardly any smell. Actually hung one on the sitting room wall for a year or two.

Actually, another way to make money on prime pelts is to cure the skins yourself, and sell on eBay. Loads doing it from the US, but not many from this side of the water. Loads of video's on YouTube showing how to do it using very accessible ingredients.

Believe me, there is a market for them.

cavan shooter

I remember the NARGC ran a trial a few years bag through a Canadidan fur company about fox furs from Ireland. I think by the time it was all over they got something like €3.00 a pelt.

There wasn't enough quality fur on the animal, weather too mild.

Eddie B

cavan shooter wrote: »

I remember the NARGC ran a trial a few years bag through a Canadidan fur company about fox furs from Ireland. I think by the time it was all over they got something like €3.00 a pelt.

There wasn't enough quality fur on the animal, weather too mild.

Yes our weather is unpredictable at best, and your talking about a very small window even in a cold winter. Saying that, i've got some fox in excellent condition, and the weather wasn't hugely harsh.

A lot of fur trappers I know from the US didn't trap this year because prices were so low, and some of those who did, tanned and sold on ebay, to get some return on the pelts. Fur fashion exploded in china a couple if years ago. All the women had to have a fur coat. Fur prices shot up, but the chinese, being chinese, started manufacturing huge fur farms, and so the bottom fell out of the market.

Can't see it improving any time soon either, so maybe it's a dying practice even in USA/Canada.

blackpearl

Ran a trapping line about 10 mile squre aboout 150 snares along quite mountain roads had to be up every morning at half 5 to look at them done it on a motorbike if you were any later people heading to work with rob them 15 to 20 pounds was alot of money then, remember been stoped at a check point one morning with 7 foxes straped to the tank of the bike that was some interview with the guard he just shook his head and laughed 15 was the best i had done in one morning but mostly 2 or 3 that went on for 2 to 3 years it took its toll on the healt but had great xmas and trips to spain out of it,some hairy mornings when their was snow on the mountains.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and story's! Made some interesting reading! If ye have any more please post them all are appreciated!

Shooter Cotter

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant wrote: »

Haha good to hear a few stories! Always enjoy hearing different story's! Thanks for sharing!

Hi lads.. I'm here in co cork and my gun club pays out for fox tails magpie wings grew crows wing mink tails and I think pegions wings.. Once a year ( thinks it's April ). .??

Vizzy

Shooter Cotter wrote: »

Hi lads.. I'm here in co cork and my gun club pays out for fox tails magpie wings grew crows wing mink tails and I think pegions wings.. Once a year ( thinks it's April ). .??

Does the club actually pay out (i.e. pay the members) or do they get paid a vermin grant based on the number of wings and tails submitted for the vermin count ?

dodderangler

Has anyone here actually skinned and tanned a fox pelt? I'd be interested to hear how it turned out. Texture and smell wise.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Shooter Cotter wrote:

Hi lads.. I'm here in co cork and my gun club pays out for fox tails magpie wings grew crows wing mink tails and I think pegions wings.. Once a year ( thinks it's April ). .??

Think I'd join a club like that! interesting to hear about the pigeon wings also! Thanks!

worded

Takes about 20 foxes to make a fur coat.
They look keep dropping the needles and are notorious bad sewers because of their paws, cant grip the needles ...

Eddie B

worded wrote: »

Takes about 20 foxes to make a fur coat.
They look keep dropping the needles and are notorious bad sewers because of their paws, cant grip the needles ...

Lol brilliant!

Eddie B

I'm in a great club. Won a 100 euro last year for most mink tails handed in, plus 108 from the bounty. Probably done better than most Canadian fur trappers. lol

Eddie B

dodderangler wrote: »

Has anyone here actually skinned and tanned a fox pelt? I'd be interested to hear how it turned out. Texture and smell wise.

Here's a cheap way of tanning a hide. Like most methods, it takes a little elbow grease to get the desired result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-McxFiRtd8

Smell wise, it would smell no more than say a stuffed fox. There would actually be no smell of fox off the pelt.

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Eddie B wrote:

I'm in a great club. Won a 100 euro last year for most mink tails handed in, plus 108 from the bounty. Probably done better than most Canadian fur trappers. lol

Eddie B wrote:

Here's a cheap way of tanning a hide. Like most methods, it takes a little elbow grease to get the desired result.

Eddie B wrote:

Smell wise, it would smell no more than say a stuffed fox. There would actually be no smell of fox off the pelt.

Great to hear some lads still get something money wise for their work! And Thanks for the information! Like I said before anyone got anything else it's more than appreciated!

Tommyaya4

Never have lads taken payment from the club for vermin lad with the best bag gets a prize usually rounds but every penny the club gets from vermin is use towards buying birds.we have a set amount to spend every year then add the money from the vermin counts to it as a type of bonus the more vermin the more birds the more vermin the more wild birds win win

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Tommyaya4 wrote:

Never have lads taken payment from the club for vermin lad with the best bag gets a prize usually rounds but every penny the club gets from vermin is use towards buying birds.we have a set amount to spend every year then add the money from the vermin counts to it as a type of bonus the more vermin the more birds the more vermin the more wild birds win win

Very nice! It sounds a good plan! Ye should have a good return so!

Eddie B

Tommyaya4 wrote: »

Never have lads taken payment from the club for vermin lad with the best bag gets a prize usually rounds but every penny the club gets from vermin is use towards buying birds.we have a set amount to spend every year then add the money from the vermin counts to it as a type of bonus the more vermin the more birds the more vermin the more wild birds win win

Fair deuce! We raise between there and four grand each year at our Christmas draw. Its our main form of raising funds for the club. The members do huge work selling tickets, and getting donations etc. That's around 50 members I think.

The prize money is a bit of incentive, and thank you, to those who put in the work. Prizes are very small for pheasant and duck competition, because that's the only time we see those members who don't like getting their hands dirty. lol

furandfeather

This tread Brings back memories off my youth. My father used to be skinning foxes 5 nights a week. Bought a new corolla in 1979 out of them!
His routine was , home from work,dinner, skin all from night before, off out lamping, bed , check snares then work. All day Saturday and Sunday was with terriers digging.
If he hadn't the snares checked early in the morning the local guard would have the foxes stole then try sell them to my father that evening!

Crow Pigeon and Pheasant

Good craic by the sounds of it! Thanks for sharing!

Eddie B

furandfeather wrote: »

This tread Brings back memories off my youth. My father used to be skinning foxes 5 nights a week. Bought a new corolla in 1979 out of them!
His routine was , home from work,dinner, skin all from night before, off out lamping, bed , check snares then work. All day Saturday and Sunday was with terriers digging.
If he hadn't the snares checked early in the morning the local guard would have the foxes stole then try sell them to my father that evening!

They were better times without doubt

ligertigon

My Nephew works in a large art suppliers in London. All fine art brushes there are made from squirrel hair.
I'd expect they have to get them from somewhere..... and pay for it...

Regards tanning, the native american indians said that there is exactly enough oils in the brain of every animal, to tan their hide!

blackpearl

What a race of people sad what happen them ,all because of greed their way of living was unbeliveable.