Sports Capital Grant

murphyahp

When grant is awarded what happens then. Does the grant go directly to the contractor when work is complete? Does the club have to come up with all the money and pay the contractors in full and get refunded by the grant. Would really appreciate advice from anyone who's been through the process. Many thanks

furryhead

Hi murphyahp. You must pay the contractor first and then claim back the money from the grant allocated. The grant allocation should be enough to secure a bridging loan from the bank.

The_Honeybadger

Clann Credo social bank provide bridging and term loans for these types of grants and are great to deal with
Www.clanncredo.ie

beggars_bush

county boards also provide loans through Croke Park, as far as I am aware

Poker player 007

Does anyone know when the sports capital grants for 2017 will be announced.

Stationmaster

Poker player 007 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the sports capital grants for 2017 will be announced.

Later this month or early October at the latest.

happygoose

Poker player 007 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the sports capital grants for 2017 will be announced.

Eagerly awaiting news on this myself - the Ministers Office says this month and nothing more specific...at least at this stage it means it should be going ahead and not deferred...

furryhead

happygoose wrote:

Eagerly awaiting news on this myself - the Ministers Office says this month and nothing more specific...at least at this stage it means it should be going ahead and not deferred...

Any word on this? Can't get any information online.

Stationmaster

furryhead wrote: »

Any word on this? Can't get any information online.

Announcement in the next week or two I heard yesterday.

poppers

Poker player 007 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the sports capital grants for 2017 will be announced.

announced this morning .

http://www.dttas.ie/sport/english/sports-capital-programme-awards-new

BonnieSituation

So excited to hear about the financial doping...

7.5mil for Kerry GAA, I mean IT Tralee...

TrueGael

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Quick scan of the sports grants: 64 six figure sums to clubs in Dublin, 31 received 150k - the highest amount. 29 six figure sums went to clubs in the rest of the country, 2 clubs outside Dublin received 150k.

Won't comment on this, I will let the facts speak for themselves

manofwisdom

TrueGael wrote: »

Won't comment on this, I will let the facts speak for themselves

Hammer Archer

TrueGael wrote: »

Won't comment on this, I will let the facts speak for themselves

The constant anti Dublin soapboxing from you is tiresome at this stage. Reign it in or I'll have no problem issuing you with cards or bans.

TrueGael

If matters involving public expenditure and how it is distributed can't be debated in a civil and respectful on a open forum such as this you may as well drop the ban hammer now

nice_guy80

Hammer Archer wrote: »

The constant anti Dublin soapboxing from you is tiresome at this stage. Reign it in or I'll have no problem issuing you with cards or bans.

for stating facts?

here's an example of what some Dublin clubs got

Ballyboden 150,000
Ballymun 150,000
Castleknock 145,000
Clontarf 150,000
Erin Isle 150,000
St Judes 141,000
St Maurs 102,400
St Olafs 150,000
St Patricks 150,000
St Sylvesters 150,000
St Vincents 150,000

blanch152

nice_guy80 wrote: »

for stating facts?

here's an example of what some Dublin clubs got

Ballyboden 150,000
Ballymun 150,000
Castleknock 145,000
Clontarf 150,000
Erin Isle 150,000
St Judes 141,000
St Maurs 102,400
St Olafs 150,000
St Patricks 150,000
St Sylvesters 150,000
St Vincents 150,000

Looking at that list and comparing it to the amounts that clubs outside Dublin got, I would estimate that the amount per active juvenile player in the Dublin clubs was lower than the amount per active juvenile player outside Dublin.

As I keep having to repeat here, the focus in Dublin is on the juvenile scene and funding is directed there with a view to increasing participation and improving the health and wellbeing of the county's underage population. An excellent way to spend State money.

I have previously pointed to the amount of money wasted by counties like Mayo on warm-weather training and expenses for the senior football team, while the juvenile scene is let go. Have a look at the €7.5m for IT Tralee for the Kerry GAA Academy. That would fund 50 clubs in Dublin at €150,000 each for their juvenile section. Where is the money better spent?

nice_guy80

blanch152 wrote: »

Looking at that list and comparing it to the amounts that clubs outside Dublin got, I would estimate that the amount per active juvenile player in the Dublin clubs was lower than the amount per active juvenile player outside Dublin.

As I keep having to repeat here, the focus in Dublin is on the juvenile scene and funding is directed there with a view to increasing participation and improving the health and wellbeing of the county's underage population. An excellent way to spend State money.

I have previously pointed to the amount of money wasted by counties like Mayo on warm-weather training and expenses for the senior football team, while the juvenile scene is let go. Have a look at the €7.5m for IT Tralee for the Kerry GAA Academy. That would fund 50 clubs in Dublin at €150,000 each for their juvenile section. Where is the money better spent?

our club got 2000
this was the fourth or fifth time we've looked for a few euro

Hammer Archer

TrueGael wrote: »

If matters involving public expenditure and how it is distributed can't be debated in a civil and respectful on a open forum such as this you may as well drop the ban hammer now

You have posted quite a bit over the last month. And after a quick going through of your posts in that time, every single one of them in that time contains some sort of anti Dublin content. You are more than entitled to hold those views, but when it is literally all you post, then it's soapboxing.
And do not reply again on thread to this.

blanch152

nice_guy80 wrote: »

our club got 2000
this was the fourth or fifth time we've looked for a few euro

That doesn't offer any context.

How many senior/minor/juvenile players do you have?
What is the untapped potential in your catchment area?
How realistice was your grant application?

nice_guy80

blanch152 wrote: »

nice_guy80 wrote: »

our club got 2000
this was the fourth or fifth time we've looked for a few euro

That doesn't offer any context.

How many senior/minor/juvenile players do you have?
What is the untapped potential in your catchment area?
How realistice was your grant application?

we need to buy a mower.
to, you know, cut the grass.

what has the untapped potential of a catchment area got to do with anything?

heroics

blanch152 wrote: »

That doesn't offer any context.

How many senior/minor/juvenile players do you have?
What is the untapped potential in your catchment area?
How realistice was your grant application?

So what your saying is that the big clubs with large populations should get all the funding and the small clubs should be happy with whatever they get? Small clubs have facilities etc to maintain/improve as well.

The other side of this is that a large club with a large player base should find fundraising easier than the smaller club so the smaller clubs would need more assistance to redevelop club houses/grounds etc

TommyDe

blanch152 wrote:

I have previously pointed to the amount of money wasted by counties like Mayo on warm-weather training and expenses for the senior football team, while the juvenile scene is let go.

You post some rubbish.
With all the millions your county gets in grants/sponsorship dublin can actually afford to hire MULTIPLE youth development coaches which other counties cannot do. How big is the Dublin backroom team? U21 management team? How many youth development coaches in the county?
Meanwhile other county teams have to factor in training/travelling expenses to the budget which your own country doesn't need to worry about.

Juvenile scene in Mayo is not neglected -never was. You really don't have a clue about that so please don't even try. We don't have many full time coaches or youth development officers or whatever they're called. No funding or grants for it you see. Also the quality of the underage team in recent years has not been good enough.

A substantial amount of mayo funding is from the fans, otherwise the county wouldn't have a pot to piss in.

You just shout soundbites that deflect away from the big elephant in the room -FUNDING.

bruschi

blanch152 wrote: »

Looking at that list and comparing it to the amounts that clubs outside Dublin got, I would estimate that the amount per active juvenile player in the Dublin clubs was lower than the amount per active juvenile player outside Dublin.

As I keep having to repeat here, the focus in Dublin is on the juvenile scene and funding is directed there with a view to increasing participation and improving the health and wellbeing of the county's underage population. An excellent way to spend State money.

I have previously pointed to the amount of money wasted by counties like Mayo on warm-weather training and expenses for the senior football team, while the juvenile scene is let go. Have a look at the €7.5m for IT Tralee for the Kerry GAA Academy. That would fund 50 clubs in Dublin at €150,000 each for their juvenile section. Where is the money better spent?

so you're saying that all the money going to the Dublin clubs is only being spent on the juvenile sections? Thats a fairly big claim to make, no doubt substantiated by facts too.

And why cant IT Tralee get a grant to develop their GAA set up? All the major colleges in Dublin have got grants for their set ups.

munchkin_utd

bruschi wrote: »

And why cant IT Tralee get a grant to develop their GAA set up? All the major colleges in Dublin have got grants for their set ups.

Maybe they applied for something which isnt fundable, or didnt make a joint application with a local sports club. Or maybe hadn't submitted on time. Or maybe hadnt proper info or proof provided on their own funding/ quotations/ elements of the project etc.
Who knows.
Heres the conditions .
http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/2017-sports-capital-programme-guide-filling-out-application-form/2017-sports-capital-programme-guide-filling-out-application-formd.pdf

bruschi

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Maybe they applied for something which isnt fundable, or didnt make a joint application with a local sports club. Or maybe hadn't submitted on time. Or maybe hadnt proper info or proof provided on their own funding/ quotations/ elements of the project etc.
Who knows.
Heres the conditions .
http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/2017-sports-capital-programme-guide-filling-out-application-form/2017-sports-capital-programme-guide-filling-out-application-formd.pdf

I'm not sure you get my point. The centre in Tralee is built and completed, they got the money in 2015 for it (50% of the construction costs). The point being that above was stated that the money "wasted" on that would be better spent on Dublin clubs.

blanch152

bruschi wrote: »

I'm not sure you get my point. The centre in Tralee is built and completed, they got the money in 2015 for it (50% of the construction costs). The point being that above was stated that the money "wasted" on that would be better spent on Dublin clubs.

You got my post wrong.

I was suggesting the money would be better spent on juveniles. Belfast would be a great place to spend it.

Bonniedog

Some facts on the sports capital grant.

Last allocation saw Cork GAA clubs get 2,700,000.

Dublin clubs got 2,100,000.

Which is fair enough, Cork has more clubs.

Much smaller spread of clubs got grants in Dublin - less than 20 - which reflects the dominance of the bigger clubs, not saying they don't deserve support.

So yet another anti Dub rant bites the dust in the face of FACTS.

http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/sports-capital-programme-2017-local-allocations/2017-scp-list-grants-publication.pdf

bruschi

Bonniedog wrote: »

Some facts on the sports capital grant.

Last allocation saw Cork GAA clubs get 2,700,000.

Dublin clubs got 2,100,000.

Which is fair enough, Cork has more clubs.

Much smaller spread of clubs got grants in Dublin - less than 20 - which reflects the dominance of the bigger clubs, not saying they don't deserve support.

So yet another anti Dub rant bites the dust in the face of FACTS.

http://www.dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/sport/english/sports-capital-programme-2017-local-allocations/2017-scp-list-grants-publication.pdf

sorry, where are those facts? Are you confusing the 2.7m with the GAA capital spend, which was in fact a spend on Pairc Ui Caoimh?

Because in the link you yourself have provided with facts, I count that 49 Cork GAA clubs got €1,997,750.

From the same link you provided the facts with, 28 Dublin GAA clubs got €3,269,396.

If you want to do a club to money ratio, that works out Cork clubs (that are actually getting money) an average of €40,770 each, whilst Dublin clubs (that are also only getting money) get an average of €116,764

If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not putting forward an opinion, just thought it was odd for you to point out facts which arent actually facts at all.

Bonniedog

Did you miss maths class :-)

Nothing to do with Páirc Uí Chaoimh.

I'm going to play Devils Advocate here.

I don't think ANY GAA clubs should get funding like this.

I looked over the Galway list recently and the majority of our GAA clubs got a sizeable chunk more than the other amateur sports like soccer, basketball etc.

Considering the inter county players are getting nothing, and the GAA are pulling in millions from concerts and the AIs I don't think the GAA clubs should get anything.
Soccer clubs get nothing from the FAI and then you see them getting less than GAA clubs in this funding.

Either the GAA need to stop messing the players around and start paying them, thus leaving this sort of funding on par with the other amateur sports or they need to get slim to nothing from national funding. The millions pulled in annually is supposed to be distributed back to the clubs for this exact purpose;
providing facilities and general funding.

I think the time is coming where the players unite and push for their share of the pie, and since the clubs are eligible for million from sports grants annually, it negates the need for "all" of the HQ money to go the same purpose.

Frankly there comes a point where the funding becomes a bit material as builds like dressing rooms and club houses last a long time.

bruschi

Bonniedog wrote: »

Did you miss maths class :-)

Nothing to do with Pc Uhaoimh.

Please correct me where I'm wrong so. Or what are you talking about with your figures. You put up 2 figures and a link, but they do not correspond with each other, so I'm asking, were you confusing the 2.7m and 2.1m figures with the GAA sports capital funding which is a separate entity to what these latest capital grants are.

Hammer Archer

I'm seeing just under €3.35 million to Dublin GAA clubs as well (31 of them for me). 53 Cork GAA clubs got just less than €2.5 million by my reckoning.

Bonniedog wrote: »

So yet another anti Dub rant bites the dust in the face of FACTS.

Anyone else read this as a Donald Trump tweet?

bruschi

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I'm seeing just under €3.35 million to Dublin GAA clubs as well (31 of them for me). 53 Cork GAA clubs got just less than €2.5 million by my reckoning.


Anyone else read this as a Donald Trump tweet?

yeah I could be slightly out on the figures alright, I just copied into an excel sheet and did a filter. but the premise of it was correct, and very much at polar opposite to the "facts" in the post I responded to.

Crash Bang Wall

A farce for me that the Dublin clubs get so much in grant money.

Yes, they may look after more kids, but they also charge a hell of a lot more for Club Membership that most rural/country clubs.

http://www.ballinteerstjohns.com/membership-policies/bsj-membership-forms/

Just an example of the money they charge.

Also, add in that they have more businesses etc for sponsorship etc

It really doesnt add up.

For the record, in 2016, an adult at my club was charged €40 for Club Membership, and that seems to be the norm outside of Dublin

LooseCannonUF

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

A farce for me that the Dublin clubs get so much in grant money.

Yes, they may look after more kids, but they also charge a hell of a lot more for Club Membership that most rural/country clubs.

http://www.ballinteerstjohns.com/membership-policies/bsj-membership-forms/

Just an example of the money they charge.

Also, add in that they have more businesses etc for sponsorship etc

It really doesnt add up.

For the record, in 2016, an adult at my club was charged €40 for Club Membership, and that seems to be the norm outside of Dublin

€20 in mine
€25 for a player(adult)
Couldn’t tell ya the minor board’s membership cost.
€50 for a family.

blanch152

bruschi wrote: »

sorry, where are those facts? Are you confusing the 2.7m with the GAA capital spend, which was in fact a spend on Pairc Ui Caoimh?

Because in the link you yourself have provided with facts, I count that 49 Cork GAA clubs got €1,997,750.

From the same link you provided the facts with, 28 Dublin GAA clubs got €3,269,396.

If you want to do a club to money ratio, that works out Cork clubs (that are actually getting money) an average of €40,770 each, whilst Dublin clubs (that are also only getting money) get an average of €116,764

If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not putting forward an opinion, just thought it was odd for you to point out facts which arent actually facts at all.

If you do a population ratio, Cork does better than Dublin.

Bonniedog

Bruschi, Only getting a chance to go back over figures. I shall concede that I under-estimated Dublin grants. I missed some! They were somewhat over 3,200,000. Own former club got piddling amount by the way!

Still by my reckoning Cork - if you include camogie and women's, which are not sign-posted by "GAA" - got somewhere around 2,700,000.

A lot of it comes down to politics. Having a minister or a pushy TD goes a long way.

Perhaps there is a case for positive discrimination, but I know from own club that you have to present a serious case regarding where the money goes, and as with all things in this life, the bigger you are the more you get.

My own club would not have leg to stand on looking for a major input as don't own own pitch or clubhouse, which is crucial. If you don't then you are only going to get money for defibrillators and lawn mowers/

bruschi

blanch152 wrote: »

If you do a population ratio, Cork does better than Dublin.

I love this. Population ratio counts sometimes, and then other times we should just ignore it completely.

I wouldnt say I have no issue completely with the funding Dublin clubs get, the biggest gripe about it is that many of them are already hugely populated and have a massive amount of income so would be much easier to fundraise for facilities etc than rural clubs, who essentially are aiming to have the same things; ie pitches and a clubhouse. But they get the money and the majority of them use it wisely and have great numbers with underage set ups. So it is good to see vast amount of kids having something meaningful to participate in.

It does make the strong stronger, but that is something that will probably be around for a while, but within the Dublin club scene and as a direct result in the county scene too.

Bonniedog

Well, the Dublin v rest scenario, if you want to use that, is replicated within individual counties. My former club doesn't own any property so that rules you out for anything other than pretty trivial stuff, whereas the big clubs in our orbit get large grants to further develop. Don't begrudge them as they have much bigger set ups, but would like to see some grant system not based on property assets.

My club would be in same situation I imagine as a small club in Cork to Nemo or Barrs, or in south Kerry to Crokes. Can't see that ever changing.

Politics also comes into it as a TD will see the value of supporting say Vinnies who have huge membership, and therefore potential votes. they showed no interest in us!

nice_guy80

blanch152 wrote: »

If you do a population ratio, Cork does better than Dublin.

more GAA clubs in Cork though
far more

Ballstein

blanch152 wrote: »

Looking at that list and comparing it to the amounts that clubs outside Dublin got, I would estimate that the amount per active juvenile player in the Dublin clubs was lower than the amount per active juvenile player outside Dublin.

As I keep having to repeat here, the focus in Dublin is on the juvenile scene and funding is directed there with a view to increasing participation and improving the health and wellbeing of the county's underage population. An excellent way to spend State money.

I have previously pointed to the amount of money wasted by counties like Mayo on warm-weather training and expenses for the senior football team, while the juvenile scene is let go. Have a look at the €7.5m for IT Tralee for the Kerry GAA Academy. That would fund 50 clubs in Dublin at €150,000 each for their juvenile section. Where is the money better spent?

Jesus christ, have you any idea what your talking about? Money wasted on warm weather training and on the senior team. The money "wasted" on the senior team was travel expenses, you know those things you never have to incur like buses, hotels etc for a panel of 30 plus back room staff. You do know your the only team in the whole world who plays every single game at home, even the North Koreans travel to the odd game. Mayo's juvenile system is just fine, as is most other counties and I would wager they would be far better if they got €1,5000,000 off the sports council to employ full time coaches in every club. The sense of entitlement from some Dublin fans is getting out of all proportions.

theoneeyedman

What has travelling expenses in Mayo got to do with sports capital grants? Also, how can a club that doesn't own the ground it plays on, grumble about not getting a capital grant to develop its facilities.
There are several clubs that I've seen happy to develop their bars and function rooms etc, but seem to have little interest in developing playing facilities, and play on public parks.

Try running a club in most parts of the country on public grounds and see how far you get.

salmocab

Ballstein wrote: »

You do know your the only team in the whole world who plays every single game at home,

Just not true

Paulzx

LooseCannonUF wrote: »

€20 in mine
€25 for a player(adult)
Couldn’t tell ya the minor board’s membership cost.
€50 for a family.

Out of interest what do you get for that?

Do players need to pay additional subs at matches to cover refs etc.?

Bonniedog

theoneeyedman wrote: »

how can a club that doesn't own the ground it plays on, grumble about not getting a capital grant to develop its facilities.

Try running a club in most parts of the country on public grounds and see how far you get.

I assume that is a response to me. Of course a club that doesn't own its grounds is not going to get a grant to build! Dublin clubs without their own grounds are never going to be able to afford to buy land. I assume same applies to clubs in other parts of the country.

My point was that perhaps some of the capital funding could be put through a fund that would allow such clubs to get more than the price of a line marker!

As for your last point, Dublin clubs without their own land obviously also use local authority pitches, As do vast vast majority of soccer clubs in the county.

The system is weighted not in favour of Dublin but in favour of big clubs everywhere.

LooseCannonUF

Paulzx wrote: »

Out of interest what do you get for that?

Do players need to pay additional subs at matches to cover refs etc.?

Club pay it from sales of weekly club lotto tickets, not that there’d be much raked in anyway.
The players put in such an effort to go training and matches. 60% of players travel from either college or work from all over the country three times a week. For the club.

Wouldn’t seem fair to expect paying refs, etc to come from players’ membership fees.

Dots1982

Same old debates.

If you don’t approve of the funding strategy the GAA have followed then stop going to intercounty games.

Dublin could win the Next 10 allirelands and the GAA won’t lift a finger until they see attendances are hit.

Thems the facts. If you keep going and paying the GAA for pursuing a unequal funding strategy then you’re a sucker.

doc_17

I would argue that rural clubs need the money more that city clubs due to population, lack of business, emigration, decreasing membership....

Dots1982

doc_17 wrote: »

I would argue that rural clubs need the money more that city clubs due to population, lack of business, emigration, decreasing membership....

They probably do but this is political/getting votes, not really about sports development.

heroics

Paulzx wrote: »

Out of interest what do you get for that?

Do players need to pay additional subs at matches to cover refs etc.?

In my club it’s 70 for an adult playing member and there are no other fees throughout the year. You would be expected to support the lotto/ fundraising etc

Students are 45 and kids are 25€. Family is 95 I think.