What next for the undocumented Irish in the states?

Polo_Mint

With Trumps crackdown on immigration and the push over the years to get documents for the unregistered Irish in the US, Will we see the estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish tracked down and kicked out of the states?

DontThankMe

Polo_Mint wrote: »

With Trumps crackdown on immigration and the push over the years to get documents for the unregistered Irish in the US, Will we see the estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish tracked down and kicked out of the states?

I really doubt they'll get kicked out unless they have commited some serious crimes Trump is too busy taking care of the potential "terrorists" from muslim countries.

Mr.Micro

Hide. I would say. They have done it up to now.

Charles Babbage

If he had any sense he should charge them $2000 per year since entry to regularise their position and use the money for some of his other projects. Anyone that hasn't saved that along the obviously isn't a huge addition to the USA and can be deported.

BorneTobyWilde

I'm sure many are married to americans and have kids
Surely they should be given citizenship

D0NNELLY

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If he had any sense he should charge them $2000 per year since entry to regularise their position and use the money for some of his other projects. Anyone that hasn't saved that along the obviously isn't a huge addition to the USA and can be deported.

Or they spend their wages, contribute to the economy, and are a better addition to the usa than horders.

Harry Palmr

Illegal is the word you are looking for. They should be given 1 month to get their affairs sorted out after which turf them out. Obviously any with criminal convictions greater than a misdemeanor should turfed out.

Manic Moran

As near as I can tell, the risk for them is about the same as it always has been. If ICE catches up to them, they'll be kicked out. The difference may be if Trump increases ICE manpower, which presumably will make it better at their job.

No change for normal. Bumped into a chap waiting for a bus into town at DUB airport, said he was over there 6 years (after going over on a 6-week training scheme), and was caught just days ago.

There may be a prospect of more green cards (DV) being made available, as one or more of the largest beneficiaries, is probably now likely to be removed from the list of eligible states that can apply.

Fr Tod Umptious

It all depends on where they live and what they do.

Certain cities and states will not report an illegal immigrant to federal authorities that has committed a crime unless it's a felony, in other places they can report you to federal authorities for any misstep.

I know of two Irish deported after they were caught speeding in New Hampshire, no prior convections,nothing, just caught speeding.

Most law abiding illegals know to keep the head down and work away.

infogiver

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It all depends on where they live and what they do.

Certain cities and states will not report an illegal immigrant to federal authorities that has committed a crime unless it's a felony, in other places they can report you to federal authorities for any misstep.

I know of two Irish deported after they were caught speeding in New Hampshire, no prior convections,nothing, just caught speeding.

Most law abiding illegals know to keep the head down and work away.

By definition an illegal immigrant can't be described as law abiding
We can't decide that illegal immigrants in Ireland are not law abiding and must be deported, but that Irish illegal immigrants in other countries are law abiding and should be treated differently.
Many Irish people went to the trouble and expense of going the right way about staying in the US.
The ones who didn't get no sympathy from me

NIMAN

I will probably get abuse for this, but why do the Irish feel they are a special case to be granted the right to stay in the US?

The clue is in the title, "illegal immigrant". They went against the rule of the land and knew what they were doing. Do they deserve special treatment? I would doubt it, no more than the illegal Mexicans, or Africans or Chileans....if the authorities let people from one country stay, then its open season to let everyone stay.

Of course many might since has got married, had kids etc, these ones will obviously be a different situation. No right thinking Gov would deport a father and leave his family to live without him. But all these special circumstances will need to be considered individually.

But if illegals are caught and deported, should we have that much sympathy for them?

Permabear

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Fr Tod Umptious

infogiver wrote: »

By definition an illegal immigrant can't be described as law abiding
We can't decide that illegal immigrants in Ireland are not law abiding and must be deported, but that Irish illegal immigrants in other countries are law abiding and should be treated differently.
Many Irish people went to the trouble and expense of going the right way about staying in the US.
The ones who didn't get no sympathy from me

Yes if you are in the country illegally then you are breaking the law, but I'm talking about enforcement.

If US authorities wanted to catch illegals all they would have to do is raid an Irish pub, or a Vietnamese cafe or a building site and the deportion centers would be full in minutes.

But they don't, they turn a blind eye until such a time as an illegal immigrant crosses their path some other way and at that point it differs what states or cities decide to do.

By the way I don't think Irish illegals should be treated any differently than others in these matters.

ancapailldorcha

The Irish are surely too well ingrained into US culture and history at this stage to make this much of a priority for Trump I would think. I don't think there is any political capital for him to gain by having a go at the Irish. He'd also lose the Irish American vote.

endacl

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The Irish are surely too well ingrained into US culture and history at this stage to make this much of a priority for Trump I would think. I don't think there is any political capital for him to gain by having a go at the Irish. He'd also lose the Irish American vote.

Why do the Irish think we're a big deal in the states? Surely Mexicans are as ingrained? And they're getting 'The Wall'.

ancapailldorcha

endacl wrote: »

Why do the Irish think we're a big deal in the states? Surely Mexicans are as ingrained? And they're getting 'The Wall'.

Yeah but the Irish are too small a target to have any real reward to be worth having a go at them.

Rightwing

America is very divided, I don't go there even on holidays anymore. Immigrants should return home voluntarily (those without family connections at any rate).

Del2005

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Yeah but the Irish are too small a target to have any real reward to be worth having a go at them.

Or because there are small number it would be easier to deport them all without any major impact. Deport the Latinos and the country will collapse as there'd be no one to do the menial jobs.

ongarite

Del2005 wrote: »

Or because there are small number it would be easier to deport them all without any major impact. Deport the Latinos and the country will collapse as there'd be no one to do the menial jobs.

Obama deported more immigrants, mainly Mexican, than any other president in history.
Didn't hear the GOP cheering from the rafters about it so I'm sure Trump will try to out do Obama in this adminstration and make sure the media know that he is doing it and "putting America first"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

StudentDad

I imagine this boils down to good old fashioned economics. Trump says he doesn't like illegal immigrants but is he really going to deport a very large number of people who on the face of it at any rate have very few legal protections? That crap job your typical 'legal citizen' won't take will be taken by someone who cannot stand up and argue the toss when employment laws are being ignored. If all the illegals were given citizenship they'd be able to challenge the system. This way Trump can pick out the 'trouble makers' and the rest remain silent. It's a modern version of ancient Rome, why employ a Roman to do a job when it's cheaper to buy a slave.

SD

Jawgap

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Illegal is the word you are looking for. They should be given 1 month to get their affairs sorted out after which turf them out. Obviously any with criminal convictions greater than a misdemeanor should turfed out.

Manic Moran wrote: »

As near as I can tell, the risk for them is about the same as it always has been. If ICE catches up to them, they'll be kicked out. The difference may be if Trump increases ICE manpower, which presumably will make it better at their job.

A month?

I got pinged by the then INS and was given 2 weeks!! And that was only because I agreed to it to avoid getting a record, and because the guy I was working for at the time, generously, paid for his lawyer to talk to the INS inspector and negotiate my departure.

The phrase 'undocumented Irish' is a complete fabrication - they are what I was - illegal. I'm guessing the majority knew what I knew which is that you are operating illegally and there are consequences if you are caught.

I'm not sure why we would expect the illegal Irish to be treated any more specially than the illegal hispanics, eastern Europeans, Chinese etc

Jawgap

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Yeah but the Irish are too small a target to have any real reward to be worth having a go at them.

At the time of my 'invited departure' from the US there was a strong suspicion I'd been grassed up......the INS (now ICE) don't bother doing a sweep hoping to pick up a single Paddy......they try and sweep up dozens.

So they concentrate on agriculture, constructions, garment factories etc - the type of low wage work a lot of Irish used to do but have progressed beyond it. However, other nationalities tend to work in those sectors and are concentrated in groups, and are therefore easier targets.

Stars and Stripes

Apparently there is around 50,000 undocumented Irish facing deportation from the US, but some cities such as Chicago is and it's Mayor Emanuel quickly slammed Trump’s orders, saying “We’re gonna stay a sanctuary city, there is no stranger among us.

TOss Sweep

As someone who entered the US the correct way it p1sses me off to no end hearing people defend illegal Irish here and saying I should support their cause. When myself and the wife were doing the long distance thing and I was flying over to be with her on holiday, countless times friends of friends who were in the US illegally would tell me I should ignore the rules and just stay and then sort it out after. My answer everytime was I am not about to mess up my status for an act of stupidity.

No sympathy for any of them if they get caught to be honest and plenty hate me for saying that but you make your bed you lie in it.

pauliebdub

They should face the same consequences as any other illegal immigrants and be deported. I have very little sympathy for them. It's such a double standard to hear them referred to as "undocumented" in the media. How exactly are they undocumented??

FreudianSlippers

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If he had any sense he should charge them $2000 per year since entry to regularise their position and use the money for some of his other projects. Anyone that hasn't saved that along the obviously isn't a huge addition to the USA and can be deported.

I doubt many of the undocumented Irish in the US would have that kind of money.

Permabear

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infogiver

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I doubt many of the undocumented Irish in the US would have that kind of money.

Stop saying undocumented. They're illegal immigrants.

TOss Sweep

infogiver wrote: »

Stop saying undocumented. They're illegal immigrants.

100% agree they are illegal and documented. Pet hate that people don't know the difference. Un-documented is someone who enters the country without passing through a border crossing and getting a stamp in their passport as in they have no document what so ever giving them access to the country. All of these Irish here are documented. They entered with their passports and got stamped and just never left.

FreudianSlippers

infogiver wrote: »

Stop saying undocumented. They're illegal immigrants.

*looks at thread title*


Undocumented.


Go cry to someone else if you want the thread title changed.